To me they feel a bit wider than the SJ & CDP.I got my true size, 11.5, in the CDP, thought those were a bit tight. got a 12 in SJ that was perfect. then these I got a 12 & they feel a bit roomier than the 12 SJ so I ordered an 11.5 from Endclothing thanks to the poster who threw that link up to...
I got a call that said "Do not call us back if you did place this order" I called them anyway & the lady said she ok'd it & it would ship today/get here tom. but no indication of this online.