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  1. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    It could be due to manufacturing inconsistency.  My right shoe is noticeably tighter than the left.
  2. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    I find that they fit a little smaller but it really depends on your point of reference.
  3. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    To those of you who ended up with shoes that don't fit, what are you going to do?  I've tried on my NDC pair for fit only and it is a little too tight around the toes.
  4. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    Thanks for the pics.  They look to be holding up nicely.  Keep up the pic updates and let's stay on topic!
  5. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    Don't you think you could survive with one or two pairs until the PU midsole crumbles from age?  I think that I can easily get 10 years out of one pair with semi-regular wearings.
  6. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    Thanks for the 411.  I got confused when I noticed that returns to the Nike store are returned to the sales floor marked down to clearance price.
  7. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    Speaking of restocks, they must be new production, correct?  What happens to the returns from release day?
  8. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    Any thoughts on these socks?  Does it match the WC4 too much?
  9. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    Right, just PU midsoles that I mentioned.  I've always wished Nike could remaster the PU midsole Js to non-PU midsoles somehow.  How awesome would that be?  Sure it might be heavier, but I'd take that tradeoff anyday. This Wired article on the issue is a must read.
  10. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    I remember back in 1989 you could walk into any shoe store and find the Jordan IV in stock in every size.  You could actually try them on for size.  You didn't have people that only bought them to profit by reselling.  People only bought them for the pure joy of wearing them.  And yet, they were...
  11. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    It doesn't really matter.  At some point all PU midsoles will crumble.  There nothing you can do to stop it. That's why I no longer collect Js.  Why collect something that can't be preserved in its original condition?  Just wear them peops!
  12. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    Why?  The more restocks the better, IMHO.
  13. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    Nike claims the Oreo 4s feature a "premium tumbled leather upper".  The tumbling process makes the leather softer and smoother, but that doesn't mean the leather quality is better.  In other words, the Oreo 4s and the WC4s could actually use the same leather but the Oreo 4s seem higher quality...
  14. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    According to Nike, the 2016 WC4 Retro features a "full-grain leather upper". Full grain leather comes from the top layer of the hide which has ALL of the grain, therefore, FULL grain. The natural surface of full grain leather burnishes and beautifies with use. While it may lack consistency and...
  15. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    Does anyone else feel some tightness in the toe box height-wise (pressure on top of the toes)?  My right shoe seems to be tighter than the left but they are both noticeably uncomfortable.  Do you think a larger size would be better?
  16. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    Did you place a phone order?  The CSR for my phone order applied free shipping when I asked.  But I later cancelled the order because I determined the size was too small.
  17. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    Thanks for posting close up pics after some wear.  It should put some of us with deadstock "pre-creased" shoes at ease.  Keep 'em up peops!
  18. golf grouch

    Nike Air Jordan 4 Retro "White/Cement" - The Aftermath - NO BUYING/SELLING/TRADING

    I might be in the minority, but I never wear nice Js in the rain.  Water is just not good for leather.
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