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I picked these up at the local shoe store here in Germany. They have a website www.snipesshop.de You'll have to use a translate too unless you speak German though. I'm not sure if they ship or not and keep in mind all prices listed are in Euro. Hope this helps.

Wasn't a big fan of the 60 plus so I didn't follow it. I do love the Grapes though. I was at the shoe store here in Germany and seen these on clearance and couldn't pass them up.

I went and checked these out today. Was wearing my 2000 infrareds to compare. Not a bad shoe but just not the same. They are comfortable and fit the samethough.