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not old at all..the trick is to find old landlords, ones who don't really know whats going on with the inflated prices of most apartments. when i found my place, i was looking at a couple others, one of them was a tiny 1 bdrm for $1200. another one was even more. you just have to look around...

i rent..$900 for 2 bedroom broadway/granville area. parking and all utilities included. at this point there is no way i'd buy in this market anywhere in canada, in van it'd be post 2010 for sure. for now renting is fine by me. "sure we all look the same...but what about the shoes?"