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and Dre, that @#+# on your lip, got some @#+# on its lip u not smokin wit me bro
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Why is Joe Haden so overhyped? He was getting burnt often the first year and a half at UF, granted he was inexperienced. I know he's come a long way working on technique with Charlie Strong and what not, but it wasn't too long ago that Jenkins was outperforming Haden. I think P-Rob, Cox, Wilson, and Warren all have the potential to be better than Haden.
Totally agree about Haden...Donovan Warren is a major sleeper. Him and Brandon Graham were the only dudes worth ANYTHING on our D this year(I'll give Mike Martin and Troy Woolfolk a pass as well). Speakingof BG, he's a another sleeper as well even though he's at the bottom of Mel's top 25.
I'm interested to see what direction Holmgren takes in his first year in Cleveland. You would think they have to take Bradford or Clausen if either is available at #7. Quinn can be considered a bust at this point and DA is a waste of money.
I'll be pretty surprised if we go QB again (and really pissed). There's not one QB in the draft that seems like a sure thing. I don't think we can make that gamble again. I wouldn't call Quinn abust just yet. He hasn't even had a full season worth of starts under his belt and began showing some signs before going down. He also doesn't haveANY weapons around him. I think he could potentially be a serviceable option (especially in the west coast), much like a poor man's Matt Hasselback inSeattle. Never gonna light the league on fire, but could get the job done. Also, there are rumors that MH is trying to bring in Hasselbeck as a stop gap andto tutor Quinn. That would honestly be ideal. DA is +$++@$# garbage. I wish we would just cut his %!+ now. We need to get him off the roster, he's just a worthless distraction for Quinn. He will NEVER be a starting QB on aplayoff team. Dude is a decent backup if he actually accepts the role. WAY too many picks.
Don't forget Steinbach - the Browns are paying him a lot of money to perform.
Of course Mangini is gonna say that about Mack but it's simply not true. Mangold is an All-Pro center and likely the best at his position in the league. I don't see Alex Mack on that route within 3-4 years.
I'm with you on Bentleyafter that huge contract too. Better pay Cribbs, he's a playmaker and works well in the Wildcat. Harrison looks like Cleveland's RB for the future.
I would fire Mangini honestly. He's not a good football coach and has shown it in New York. Yes the Browns played well down the stretch but if the organization steps up with the cash I think Cowher can be lured outta retirement/CBS studio.
I'm not forgetting Steinbach. Was just pointing out the young guns. Did you watch Mack play at all towards the end of the season? He wasstraight mauling people and his development was one of the main reasons Harrison blew up so fast. I'm not necessarily saying he'll be as good asMangold, but he looks like he will be one of the better centers in the league sooner rather than later.
We're definitely about to PAY THE MAN!...Holmgren said it was amajor priority in his presser. Also, I'm not totally sold on Harrison. I don't think he is an every down RB in the AFC north...but time will tell.
And yes, I hope we can Mangini with the quickness. This organization will not get back to where we want in to be without total cohesion and that ain'thappening unless MH hires all of his own people (and they can't just be "yes men"). I would like The Chin, but I don't think he would bewilling to do that to Pittsburgh (yes, I know he started here).
My #1 option is Gruden. West Coast O JUST like Holmgren. Ohio boy. Said he really likes BQ as a QB and said he thinks he could truly succeed with the rightsystem and players around him on the MNF broadcast. But from all reports, he's content on being with ESPN for a few more...Cot Damn shame.I'd be doing backflips if we got BOTH MIke Holmgren and John Gruden to run thisfranchise....I would honestly give up this entire draft just to get thatmarriage in place.
Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT
and Dre, that @#+# on your lip, got some @#+# on its lip u not smokin wit me bro
One of my favorite players - looks like he has to come back for his senior year now.Originally Posted by ChampCruThik
Oh, and Morgan Burnett, way to kill your draft stock. $#! happened?!?!?!
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Originally Posted by ddot7
Did I just read that Kiper wrote "IF" Spiller runs in the 4.3s? Homerism aside, dude could do that even with turf toe flaring harder than dreClark's herpes.
They still need a replacement for Roy...Originally Posted by J23Diego
If Taylor Mays goes to the Cowboys
Originally Posted by J23Diego
Washington ******** will get Sam Bradford.
If Taylor Mays goes to the Cowboys
Originally Posted by CP1708
Wizard, it seemed to me that once Pierce went down, the whole Giants D fell apart. So I would think LB is their need first and foremost. That's provided their secondary all come back healthy next year, and was it Usi that was talkin about his last game as a Giant? DL wouldn't be a bad second option if there's a better player there.
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J23Diego wrote:
Washington ******** will get Sam Bradford.
If Taylor Mays goes to the Cowboys
Originally Posted by DLo13
They still need a replacement for Roy...Originally Posted by J23Diego
If Taylor Mays goes to the Cowboys
so are u judging Haden on his 1st yr or the rest of his time where its obvious he improved? if thats the case Dez shouldnt be hyped cus he wasnt doin numbers his freshman yr
janoris never outperformed joe. Jenkins just had INTs while Joe played the oppositions best WR every game
Both, I noted his improvement in technique but where he started also makes a difference to me. My gripe is that many experts and football fansalike are overrating his potential in the league. What really sets him apart from Warren, Wilson, Cox, and P-Rob?? Similarly is Haden worth a highfirst-rounder (top 12 most likely) at the end of the day? I really don't think so...Joe Haden doesn't scream can't miss corner in my eyes.
"Just had INTS"=making plays, something Haden wasn't doing the first half of 2008. He had one pick up to the Georgia game that year so yes Iwould say Jenkins outplayed Haden for a significant stretch of time. Janoris forced two turnovers against the Vols and was a major factor in the LSU win. Hadencame on at the end of the season.
Aaron Hernandez also declared today - anyone else think he might just be a gadget TE? He's not in the same level as Gresham, McCoy, and maybe Dickson.
Yep. I think he would be a good fit at the 16th/17th pick where the 49ers are and can move Goldson to SS where he is a big hitter close to the LOSand would allow Thomas to be the ball hawk.Originally Posted by Yankeephan87
Right now Earl Thomas in many minds is creeping up into mid first round. Hes an excellent ball hawk but dont know much about his tackling skills. Many mocks have him going to the texans in the mid teens even over mays.