2013 College Football Thread (Realer than Real Deal Holyfield -->S/O Craftsy)

[bigmike23]

what a waste of time.. He's not going there.

im saying.

 

[sorkoram]

im saying.

Why would it be a waste of time? Terrible job? Limited resources?

 

[JCMojica24]

Why would it be a waste of time? Terrible job? Limited resources?

This! They have awesome facilities, you'll be coaching in the SEC and that fan base is LOYAL. People will LOVE Petersen.

 

[bigmike23]

Why would it be a waste of time? Terrible job? Limited resources?

i have nothing bad to say about Ark

its just CP himself look at the jobs he could of had and had them schools wanting to talk to him. michigan, stanford, USC,UCLA,tennesse,ASU and penn state.

everyone has said for years the only job he would leave for is one of the pac12 jobs will UCLA threw 4 million at hiim and he said NO and he was damn close to taken the stanford job but said NO at the last minute.

 

[shannonscrooks]

• Five of the first six quarterbacks drafted have started in every game, seven rookie quarterbacks started this week and three of them -- Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III and Russell Wilson -- could be considered for the Pro Bowl.

• Rookies might lead the NFL or come in second in tackles (Luke Kuechly), rushing (Doug Martin) and interceptions (Casey Hayward).

And that's just the starting point. We've seen a major impact from well down the draft board. Round 2 has already minted a number of impact starters, with more on the way.

So, as we get to the point in the NFL season when all fans can identify voids to be filled and players to be replaced on the roster of their favorite teams, it's a good time to give the 5-mile view of the 2013 NFL draft, and the big storylines, players, positions of strength, and even some sleepers to be mindful of.

So, to the questions!


If the draft were tomorrow, how many guys would be in play as a No. 1 pick?

Georgia outside linebacker Jarvis Jones is in the running to be the first overall pick in 2013.

Kiper: On my current Big Board, I see five that make sense, with the possibility of seven if we include a quarterback craze factoring in. The five guys I see with value in that range are :

• Jarvis Jones, a brilliant, relentless pass-rusher out of Georgia;

• Manti Te'o, the prototype middle linebacker out of Notre Dame (a very high standing for an interior linebacker, I admit);

• Star Lotulelei, the best defensive tackle in the class, who plays at Utah;

• Luke Joeckel, the best left tackle in the class, of Texas A&M; and

• Damontre Moore, also of Texas A&M, and a rival to Jones as the best current pass-rusher on my board.

The curveballs are the quarterbacks. If a team falls in love with a QB, we know the history. They go at No. 1 an awful lot.


Why is there so much uncertainty in this draft?


Robert Griffin III and Andrew Luck provided sizzle last year that's lacking in the 2013 draft class.

McShay: The biggest issue is that there's just not a lot of offensive skill players in this draft. It's not a good "TV draft." NFL teams want great talent at every single position, but a vast majority of teams are not in dire straits and looking for a quarterback and would rather see the depth where it is in this class: on the offensive and defensive lines.

When you start to look at it, the biggest question is: Where are the elite quarterbacks? That's where the uncertainty starts. Then you go to the next two positions everyone is intrigued by, but are way down the totem pole in terms of NFL importance: running back and wide receiver.

Right now, you're looking at a running back class that's unlikely to have a first-round pick. The last couple of years, that position has been declining in the NFL and there's been a trickle-down effect in the draft. This year, though, it's more because there's a lack of talent at the position.

Last year at this point, Luck had been the No. 1 pick for a long time and Griffin was screaming up draft boards. RG3 was a truly intriguing second choice and some people were arguing that he was a better choice than Luck.

That drama is missing this year.


Who is the biggest sleeper on your board right now?


UCLA's Anthony Barr, who played fullback until this year, is a rising prospect as a pass-rusher.
Kiper: For just "pure sleeper" in the sense of a guy nobody has seen, I'll go with Eric Fisher of Central Michigan, who could be starting for someone at tackle next season. I wanted to highlight him on a "SportsCenter" segment the other day and we had trouble finding enough tape. He's a guy that many haven't seen, but the MAC always has talent. Currently, he's No. 21 on my Big Board.

The other kind of sleeper for me is a player who nobody had rated high at the outset of the year but has totally exploded as a prospect. On defense, start with Anthony Barr, a pass-rusher from UCLA. This is a kid who was a fullback last year who wasn't really going anywhere. The coaches, to their credit, flipped him to the defensive side of the ball and he's been an absolute terror as a pass-rusher. After one year on defense, he could be drafted in the top 15 to play more of it come April. Right now, Barr is No. 13 on my Big Board.

On offense, go with Cordarelle Patterson of Tennessee. A wide receiver, he was highly regarded in junior college. In his first game of D-I college football, he went crazy against NC State. He has averaged 17 yards a catch and has star potential if he can develop technically. He's currently No. 10 on my Big Board and the No. 1 wide receiver prospect.

How does the 2013 QB class stack up to the 2012 class?

McShay: It's early in the process and there's still a lot of tape that needs to be watched. A year ago at this time, I didn't think much of Ryan Tannehill. Come April 1, I really liked him as a top-10 pick.

There's no one right now who I'd sit at a table and fight for, but I still haven't done all the tape. Last year at this time, I mentioned that I liked Tannehill's potential more than I liked Matt Barkley's. And I still believe that's the truth. That's not to say Barkley's a horrible quarterback, and I think it's highly likely he's a first-round draft pick. I think the same of Geno Smith, and there are obvious weaknesses in their games right now.

For both of them, it comes down to finding the right fit and making a decision based on how high the potential is for what that team does. I think Barkley will only be successful in a West Coast offense where you can limit the amount of down-the-field throws, and his vertical accuracy isn't that good.

With Smith, I think he's still developing as a quarterback. He's a smart kid, he works unbelievably hard and he has all the intangibles you're looking for, but a little bit like Christian Ponder, he didn't always transfer that information on the field. Ponder would often lock in on his initial read, and I think there's a lot of the same questions about Smith.

This class better resembles the 2011 class than the 2012 class.

After five rookie QBs started in Week 1 in 2012, how many will start in Week 1 of 2013?

USC's Matt Barkley is the best bet in the 2013 draft to start at quarterback as a rookie.

Kiper: One -- two tops.

If you're drafting Barkley, unless there's a very good starter in place, I think you assume he can come in and compete for the starting job. He has a ton of reps as a four-year starter, and while he needs to really shine during the evaluation process to put some polish on his draft profile, I think he's capable because of his experience and tools.

Smith could also be in that picture, but again, this is more about where a quarterback lands and less about his talent. In every case with the 2012 group, there was either a clear void at QB (think Indy) or the coaches made it clear the rookie was going to get a shot to split reps in camp and win the job (which happened in Seattle). Will that happen in 2013 anywhere? Hard to say.


Which is the deepest position group?


Utah's Star Lotulelei is at the top of a deep defensive line class.

McShay: Defensive line is the deepest group in 2013. You could split hairs over defensive ends or defensive tackles, but if you're a team looking for a defensive lineman, you should be fired up over this group right now. As I count now, nine of the top 15 and 17 of the top 40 players in this draft are on the defensive line.

If you talk to front office personnel, they would agree that the defensive linemen in this draft are really an impressive group. You have the elite guys, but you have guys late in the first round, early in the second who can become a centerpiece on your defensive line for many years.

Also, there's a whole lot of variety here, too. You have your prototypical defensive tackles such as Lotulelei, Sylvester Williams and Sheldon Richardson. You have your space-eating interior defensive linemen such as Johnathan Hankins and Johnathan Jenkins. You have your speed-rushing ends such as Moore and Barkevious Mingo. And then, you have your more complete defensive ends such as Bjoern Werner and Sam Montgomery.

Basically, it's take your pick.


Which team is in line to make the biggest splash?

Kiper: Even before we know the draft order, two teams come to mind. Congrats, Missouri! Rams and Chiefs fans should plan to get to Radio City.

For the Rams, it's a matter of volume. Right now, they're the only team in line to have two first-round picks thanks to getting two future first-rounders in the deal that allowed the ******** to grab RG3. Those picks would be at Nos. 13 and 15 overall if the draft were held tomorrow. That's major impact potential, and this for a team that already has a glut of young talent, particularly on defense.

Kansas City is also in line to deliver a huge splash. The Chiefs could draft No. 1 overall, and quarterback is a huge need. Right now, I don't have a QB rated among my top 20 overall players, but when that position is a major need, sometimes the value equation changes. That said, what if the Chiefs were to take Te'o with their first pick, and then target value at quarterback early in Round 2, landing them Smith, Barkley, Tyler Wilson, a talent like Mike Glennon or a high-ceiling project like Logan Thomas? It's so early that the QB evaluations will change a great deal (think of where RG3 was last year before the combine and workout process) and K.C. will have time to figure out the value at that early pick. But for splash, they're an early candidate.


As the Packers and Patriots did in 2012, will there be any teams drafting entirely on one side of the ball?


Drew Brees and the offense are doing just fine, so expect the Saints to have a defensive-minded draft.

McShay: It's rare, but teams go into drafts with a strategy of having an emphasis on one side of the ball or the other. I think a lot of things have to come together to do an entire draft on one side of the ball, such as trading picks. The Patriots and Packers are examples of teams that have great personnel on one side of the ball and have needs on the other.

It's difficult right now to say a team could draft on one side of the ball, but there are a couple of trends. The Saints could be one of those teams on defense. It's not that they would pass on a great value pick on offense, but when you're eighth in total offense and 32nd in total defense, I would think the emphasis would be on drafting defense early and often. The same could be said for the ********. They don't have a lot of picks moving forward after trading several for RG3, but they would be another team focused on defense.

On the flip side, the Bears have one of the NFL's better defenses but they've been weak on the offensive side. There are still areas where they need to improve, especially the offensive line. Arizona is seventh in total defense but 31st in total offense. The last three or four years, they've had close to a 50-50 split when it comes to drafting offense and defense, but the big question there, of course, is at quarterback.

There are flaws on the Arizona offensive line and you can pick other places that need help, but if you add a top-10 quarterback, I would have to think the Cardinals would be in the top 10 in offense. There are enough parts on that offense, but I don't think you're going to find that quarterback in this draft.


Which team can't whiff on this draft?

Kiper: I'll give you two.

Dallas needs to have a good draft. I loved the Cowboys' first pick in 2012 with Morris Claiborne, but this is a team that's had mixed results over the years, particularly lower on the board, and Jerry Jones' role as an evaluator is constantly a cause for debate. I don't think the Cowboys are in a bad situation overall in terms of personnel, but the spotlight seems like it'll be brighter than ever this season.

I think the Jets are also a team in need of a home run. Again, I haven't hated their picks over the last few years, but there's pressure on that front office and coaching staff to deliver the kind of impact fans can see in Week 1. Will they help their quarterback? Will the replace him? Will they find a pass-rusher, finally? The pressure seems like it's turned up as we look ahead.


Which juniors could shake up the draft by coming out or staying

McShay: Considering that 16 of our top 32, half of them, are underclassmen, yes, any one of them not coming out for the draft can shake it up.



Junior Tyler Bray has a big arm but could use more seasoning at Tennessee.

It will be interesting to see if some of those quarterbacks, who I don't think are ready, come out for the draft. If they do, where would they go? Where do teams take a guy like Tyler Bray at Tennessee, who has phenomenal arm strength but doesn't have ideal intangibles? Then there's Thomas from Virginia Tech, who is big, strong, throws a good deep ball and has Ben Roethlisberger-type mobility, but isn't where he needs to be when it comes to reading coverages and displaying consistent accuracy.

Also, a number of the top skills players at tight end, wide receiver and running back are underclassmen. If they decide to go back to school, the players at the skill positions will be even more scarce.



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[bigmike23]

ACC will inevitably lose more schools, and how the Maryland lawsuit turns out will probably decide that. UCONN and Cincy are still up next. UCONN didn't get the votes again. Not sure if BC is still trying to stick it to them? They don't add anything football wise, and basketball is loaded as is.
 

who is leaving the ACC next? you see most of these rumors are from teams that if super conferences went down would be left out of them like cincy, UCONN, UVA,duke, south florida. what the ACC is going to lose teams and just keep adding big east teams now?

i agree with dirk ACC knew what was coming and they did nothing to fix it

find this on why the big12 is safe. Statis22 was on point about it a few pages back

There isn't the slightest chance in hell that a Big 12 team will leave that conference until 2025 at the very earliest, because each school has agreed to a grant of media rights with the conference (like Pac-12 schools have agreed with the Pac-12 conference). This means that until the end of the Big 12's current TV agreement in 2025 (the term for which the schools have agreed to grant the conference media rights), any school that leaves the conference agrees to give its media revenues to the Big 12 conference.

So if Oklahoma left today, any money they'd make from a Pac-12 media deal (not just the increase in money) would go directly to the Big 12 and the school would make exactly nothing in media revenue for 13 years.

Those schools are not moving and this is why their conference has actually become an attractive destination. It's stable and guaranteed a steady revenue source for the foreseeable future

 

[wildkycat]

who is leaving the ACC next?

from the Sporting News:

The dismantling of the ACC and strengthening of the Big Four is coming. The only things that can stop it are high-priced lawyers.
“We’d be absolutely foolish to not watch Maryland,” one FSU official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told Sporting News. “If or when they get out of (the $50 million buyout), everything changes. It’s almost like free agency.”
If that’s true, Maryland is the Curt Flood of college football. And it could lead to the one remaining mega move still out there: Florida State and Clemson to the Big 12.
If that happens, the two crown jewels of the ACC become available. Duke and North Carolina, which an ACC source said have been chased by the SEC for “the last three years,” will choose between the Big Ten and the SEC.
For those who don’t think this is serious, consider this: The ACC announced Tuesday it had filed suit against Maryland to force the university to pay the full $50 million exit fee. Maryland and Florida State were the only two ACC schools to vote against the league’s $50 million buyout fee.

 

[N41D]

Chris Petersen can pick whatever job he wants.. He can sit and wait for the perfect job and all he'll have to do is make a call and name his price. Why would he take Arkansas? It's a good job. But it's not an elite job.

It just got a lot tougher with Sumlin proving A&M can and will compete in the SEC and throwing down a Heisman winner in Year 1.. That will all but shut them out of Texas from a recruiting standpoint, at least with kind of impact kids they were starting to get in on while Sherman was there.

 

[al3xis]

So...

We'll eventually get a 'Big 4' - all the while non f-ball schools rack up the exit fees and try to start their own voyage and everyone else becomes irrelevant. Is that the end game to all of this?

 

[superantigen]

I'm not. Don't get mad because your school is ultimately going to be left in the dark because they have no value. You'll always be little brother in the region.

LMAO...throwing "shots"...yeahh I def. touched a nerve, somehow...

In the end, your shots ARE hollow; especially when you make proclamations that the Uconn brand has no value. There's more than enough evidence to suggest otherwise, but I wont waste my time, though. Stay salty, man...



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[superantigen]

So...

We'll eventually get a 'Big 4' - all the while non f-ball schools rack up the exit fees and try to start their own voyage and everyone else becomes irrelevant. Is that the end game to all of this?

Seems to be the case...

Football has really run amok and messed up everything.

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[Kimchi Papi]

I was just about to say Clemson & FSU could be next to leave the ACC....MD & FSU were the 2 schools that voted against the $20 mil exit fee some time ago...

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

FSU DE Bjoern Werner is ACC DPOY
Clemson QB Tahj Boyd is ACC OPOY and overall ACC POY

5'11 240 balled out this year

 

[sorkoram]

Chris Petersen can pick whatever job he wants.. He can sit and wait for the perfect job and all he'll have to do is make a call and name his price. Why would he take Arkansas? It's a good job. But it's not an elite job.

It just got a lot tougher with Sumlin proving A&M can and will compete in the SEC and throwing down a Heisman winner in Year 1.. That will all but shut them out of Texas from a recruiting standpoint, at least with kind of impact kids they were starting to get in on while Sherman was there.

Of course Sumlin made it harder to recruit in Texas, but that is where the majority of the alumni base is and is also a big reason why kids out of the metroplex get (in-state) tuition to the University of Arkansas. As long as as that tuition pipeline remains open, Arkansas isn't getting shut out of Texas.

The problem with it being an elite job is that it took them this long to realize it's potential, having Houston Nutt for 10 years will do that to a program and of course, the recruiting base. Yes, he can pick whatever job he would like, but there are several reasons why it could be a fit for him.

[COLOR=#red]I don't think CP is as opposed to it as most would believe, but that's just what was told to the boosters. Do I think they will get him? Nah, but I do believe they made a strong push for him and nothing will come out until the weekend. It is a solid job within the SEC and resources are limitless, with the right man it'll continue rising quickly in value within the conference.[/COLOR]

 

[JCMojica24]

Who do you think they end up with Sork? Petersen would be great, but I think it's gonna be Franklin.

 

[39478]

LB No. 1: 54 solo tackles. 12 TFL, 2 FF, 4 INT. LB No. 2: 52 solo, 5.5 TFL, 0 FF, 7 INT. Who are they?

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

No. 1 is Kiko Alonso (Oregon), No. 2 Manti Te'o (ND). Kiko has played 1 fewer game & 2 of his picks have come with a cast on his hand & arm

 

[Kimchi Papi]

Wow, so Cincy could be jumping to the ACC & Kentucky hired Bob Stoops...Anyone think Petrino is going to get hired? I thought Kentucky might take a shot at him but I think it speaks volumes that they went with Stoops...

 

[dajoka004]

ACC is TOAST. They'll survive, but they're going to lose every member that matters as soon as Maryland successfully lowers the $50M exit fee in court. ACC's television deal is total ****. $17.1M annually for each school. Big 12 and Pac 12 schools get about $20M. B1G schools get $24.6M now, with an expected rise after the addition of Rutgers and Maryland. SEC is working up a new deal that will probably place them behind the B1G (B1G has half of the top 10 markets in the country).

UVa and UNC go to the B1G
Clemson and FSU go to the Big 12

The rest either stay in the loser ACC or pray that one of the big four want them. Four super conferences. Just awful.

 

[JCMojica24]

Wow, so Cincy could be jumping to the ACC & Kentucky hired Bob Stoops...Anyone think Petrino is going to get hired? I thought Kentucky might take a shot at him but I think it speaks volumes that they went with Stoops...

They hired MARK Stoops.

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

Mark Stoops, not Bob Stoops.

and LB #1 and LB #2 are not used in the same manner

 

[Kimchi Papi]

Sorry for the typo...I was thinking of the more famous/better Stoop...

Mark didn't do too good of a job at Zona, so I wonder what Kentucky sees in him. I mean he was in the Pac 10 at the time now he's in the SEC...

 

[al3xis]

That was Mike. You're almost there.

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

Sorry for the typo...I was thinking of the more famous/better Stoop...
Mark didn't do too good of a job at Zona, so I wonder what Kentucky sees in him. I mean he was in the Pac 10 at the time now he's in the SEC...

You're thinking of Mike Stoops, who is currently at OU w/ Bob

Mark was FSU's Defensive Coordinator.

Luckily there are no more Stoops boys to confuse. Unless of course Ron stops coaching at Youngstown St.

 

[shox23]

LB No. 1: 54 solo tackles. 12 TFL, 2 FF, 4 INT. LB No. 2: 52 solo, 5.5 TFL, 0 FF, 7 INT. Who are they?

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

No. 1 is Kiko Alonso (Oregon), No. 2 Manti Te'o (ND). Kiko has played 1 fewer game & 2 of his picks have come with a cast on his hand & arm

well whoever is the better player will show it in the nfl

 

[dacomeup]

ACC is TOAST. They'll survive, but they're going to lose every member that matters as soon as Maryland successfully lowers the $50M exit fee in court. ACC's television deal is total ****. $17.1M annually for each school. Big 12 and Pac 12 schools get about $20M. B1G schools get $24.6M now, with an expected rise after the addition of Rutgers and Maryland. SEC is working up a new deal that will probably place them behind the B1G (B1G has half of the top 10 markets in the country).
UVa and UNC go to the B1G
Clemson and FSU go to the Big 12
The rest either stay in the loser ACC or pray that one of the big four want them. Four super conferences. Just awful.

Basically. It's crazy how the fates have changed. Everyone knew that BE would die, but when the Texas Pac 12 rumors revved up it looked like the Big 12 would be the one that was going to die. Now it looks like it'll be the ACC.