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with the right players of course you can. It's silly to think ball is a totally different sport from less decade ago . with the right players any system can win chips
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2015-2016 NBA Regular Season - MDA to HOU - All-NBA - Harden snubbed - Anthony Davis is broke
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Nets hired Kenny Atkinson as HC
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That can be said about any offence though
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Best of luck to Phil and the Knicks.
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There are soooo many teams in the league who run bits and pieces of the triangle in what they do even in 2016. Whether it's pinch post / blind pig stuff, or triple post stuff, it's there.
The issue is when your offense is 100% triangle, and that isn't going to work. The lack of dribble penetration via the triangle, along with the lack of creative personnel, leads to really people just running around wasting seconds off the shot clock, and ending up with a contested midrange jumper.
New York is in a rock and a hard place because when you look at their personnel, there is no "offense" that will rescue their fortunes. You could argue that the Triangle is the issue, but they have no players to run a P&R based offense, they don't have anyone to really create double teams to play out of.
New York's roster make up is more troublesome than the triangle. That being said, they probably are better off ditching the triangle due to the fact that it's much harder to generate decent shots in the triangle with players who don't command a double team.
The issue is when your offense is 100% triangle, and that isn't going to work. The lack of dribble penetration via the triangle, along with the lack of creative personnel, leads to really people just running around wasting seconds off the shot clock, and ending up with a contested midrange jumper.
New York is in a rock and a hard place because when you look at their personnel, there is no "offense" that will rescue their fortunes. You could argue that the Triangle is the issue, but they have no players to run a P&R based offense, they don't have anyone to really create double teams to play out of.
New York's roster make up is more troublesome than the triangle. That being said, they probably are better off ditching the triangle due to the fact that it's much harder to generate decent shots in the triangle with players who don't command a double team.
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People romanticize the triangle and make it much more than what it really is.
Really, the reason why it works is because you have players at key spots in the floor that command double teams and if you don't double, they'll kill you. Shaq on the low block, Kobe on the pinch post, etc.
New York doesn't have any of this so consequently, they suffer from running it.
Really, the reason why it works is because you have players at key spots in the floor that command double teams and if you don't double, they'll kill you. Shaq on the low block, Kobe on the pinch post, etc.
New York doesn't have any of this so consequently, they suffer from running it.
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With Kobe's retirement and this debate, it makes me wonder how young/prime Kobe would be in today's NBA.
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The spurs currently rely on a lot of midrange shots on their way to a way franchise best season I think. But again nobody cares about the spurs.
This. It kinda irks me when people talk about the modern NBA like it's a totally different game. Positio less basketball is also really overblown but that's another topic.
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The same Kobe pre 2009? He would be exactly the same player but ring less if he didn't have a dominant big man
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I tend to believe that all time greats transcend any era, so I think he would do fine, relatively.
However, there's something to be said about creating an offense around someone with as heavy of a midrange diet as Prime Kobe was. Plus he was never a knockdown shooter from 3. (Partly due to his shot selection)
But you look at all the best teams in today's NBA, NONE of them really have their best player hoisting up a bunch of fadeaways and midrange jumpers so I don't know. Individually he would probably do great, but could you create a winner with it? Food for thought for sure.
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Kobe would be exactly the same player but he'd be overshadowed by Steph and the Warriors, just like everybody else.
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How many teams can realistically attain/develop great mid-range shooters like Aldridge, Leonard and Parker though?
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prime kobe + 50 shots = 100 points easy
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Prime Kobe's usage rate and shot attempts aren't even close to those guys either.
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Random as hell, but might actually be a good hire.
That Nets team is terrible though...their roster is just so poorly put together. Gonna be hard for them to make a good rebuild.
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with Billy King gone, the Nets finally have a promising future.
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Yeah, I'd rather tams give a chance to an assistant like this than just keep hiring the same old retread coaches over-and-over again. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but at least they're going a little bit outside the box.
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The Nets being smart is annoying 
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Except that he shot 46 to get 81.
prime kobe + 50 shots = 100 points easy
And it would be a STREEEEETCCCHHHH to say he could have easily... I said EASILY... YOU said easy... it would be a stretch to watch that game and say he could have had 19 more points on 4 more shots. All twos, he gets 8 more points, so then 11 FTs? And that sinking all 4 shots and 11 FTs.
Easy.
Yes, I know he should have had like 89 if it weren't for a bad Lamar outlet and a couple other potential baskets, but that doesn't make 100 on 50 shots EASY because he didn't EASILY get those 81 on those 46.
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Thanks, man. I don't have any problems. We just genuinely don't see eye-to-eye on everything, which is fine. I think for the most part when we disagree, the discussions are pretty civil and interesting. Which is how it should be.
All the mods on here, including you, are appreciated. I know its a thankless job 95% of the time, and one I wouldn't to do, but it makes this place better.
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that was back then thoughExcept that he shot 46 to get 81.
prime kobe + 50 shots = 100 points easy
And it would be a STREEEEETCCCHHHH to say he could have easily... I said EASILY... YOU said easy... it would be a stretch to watch that game and say he could have had 19 more points on 4 more shots. All twos, he gets 8 more points, so then 11 FTs? And that sinking all 4 shots and 11 FTs.
Easy.
Yes, I know he should have had like 89 if it weren't for a bad Lamar outlet and a couple other potential baskets, but that doesn't make 100 on 50 shots EASY because he didn't EASILY get those 81 on those 46.
these days pace is way up, no one bothers playing defense anymore, if you sniff a shooter it's 2 fts
way easier to score today than in 2006
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We need to keep playoff talk in the playoff thread. Please and thanks.
I'm moving your response there.
http://niketalk.com/t/647451/offici...hou-ind-tor-bos-atl-okc-dal/120#post_25625105
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Like many have said, running the triangle with the right players involved.. or running elements of it with the team isn't a bad idea. But it's Phil's stubbornness that is cause for concern. It's not "We'll adapt the triangle to the modern NBA".. but if they only look at coaches who have worked under Phil or the triangle or only look for players who fit that mold.. count me out of that plan 100%.
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I'm on board with any coach not named Kurt Rambis or Brian Shaw.
Walton would've been interesting cause he could run the triangle with some modern elements he learned in GS but it sounds like he turned us down already.
Walton would've been interesting cause he could run the triangle with some modern elements he learned in GS but it sounds like he turned us down already.
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Also, last time Phil ran the tri himself he wasn't so strict with it. He allowed the team to run pretty often and run a lot of pick and roll
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