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Originally Posted by Dame Theory
Originally Posted by UnkleTomCruze
Originally Posted by Dame Theory
Uh... i'll admit that I see a penis as more or less as just something thats there and is needed to have sex with the chick cause i'm mature enough to know what happens. BUT...don't get this twisted... I HAVE NOT been turned on by that %+%@.Originally Posted by UnkleTomCruze
In other words, most men watch porn because they implicitly connect and find arousing, the image of a man being masculine--being "powerful" and/or "in-charge". If you are willing to accept or even entertain this assumption/conclusion, then the next step is to admit the presence of a certain level of homosexual gratification (being thrilled at watching a man be powerful...to the point where you live vicariously through said man). Let's make no mistake about it, porn is largely a "guy" thing and it overtly and covertly normalizes some level of violence and/or antagonism against women.
I'm not gay. like AT ALL. Furthermore porn has ALWAYS been about the girls to me. Even before I had really started chasing chicks like that and I used to watch a few flicks I never had even considered anything homosexual. I don't think I could think about anything gay unless someone told me to visualize it.
I see where you're coming from but I think its kinda false. Dudes being "masculine" haven't really influenced my additional viewing of porn. I think thats a pretty wild assumption. Plus even with the anonymity of the internet, you'd think I'd have something to hide with a position like this but not at all.
Porn really does not conjure homosexual thoughts in my mind. Its always about the chick for me. If thats how it connected to you, by all means go ahead and see it that way, just know that I disagree with you.
BTW, i should note that I fully support any gay agenda. I think they are just as much of citizens as we all are...however, I just couldn't ever bring myself to consider doing a gay act.
It's a confusing point that I am trying to sort out.
It's not that you're gay, it more or less has to do with the idea that porn is a purely masculine venue. It's made for men, and consumed by men because porn reaffirms ones masculinity.
A Guyland, and all across patriarchal society, a part of ones masculinity is tied to how many women "you can put down," and/or how many inferior males you can subjugate. The latter point brings to mind the whole "alpha" male "beta" male dynamic. But that is a conversation for another day. The former point emphasizes the idea that one way an individual's masculinity is assessed and measured is via how many women he can dominate. And in GUYLAND, the domination of women is the ideal. It's what you're supposed to do.
But GUYLAND and reality are not remotely close entities. In reality, consensual sex is a mutual act. You have to take into consideration the emotional state and feelings of the woman in involved. And even when you do that, there is still the possibility that YOU DON'T RECIEVE sex. This is a blow to ones masculinity, this is a severe blow in a man raised in culture that has led men to believe that they are entitled to sex.
This is where porn comes in. In porn, there is no denial or refusal. The woman is there to please YOU and only YOU. She is not there to challenge or strike down at your masculinity, She is there to comply. Instant gratification. She is there to re-affirm your masculinity, your power, your domination.
And she does that. But the thing is, IT IS NOT ABOUT HER and NEVER WAS ABOUT HER. It was all bout you ad a man and the catering to your masculinity. In this sense, the sexual act is deviod of feminine presence. As I am sure you've heard before, porn objectifies women, she is not there as a person. It's strictly You living vicariously through that male performer. That's where the homosexual element comes in. The sexual arousal is partly due to seeing a man "give that ___ what's coming to her". It's about watching a man, YOU, live up to masculinity of GUYLAND.
Like I said, my conclusions are harldly set in stone. It's just stuff that I am musing over. Still, much of GUYLAND is homosocial and women are only let into the clubhouse to throw away suspicion of homosexual tensions.
I understand its your "theory" but its wrong IMO. You're not hanging with the right girls if you think porn is only made for dudes. I know plenty of chicks that watch porn.
I'm honestly seeing a lot more liberation, even in porn, of women. Women taking charge and are nastier and more into it than the dudes sometimes.
I think you're referring to a sub genre of porn like S&M or something out of the ordinary... your run of the mill smash session is pretty equal among the sexes IMO.
"I know of plenty of chick that watch porn"...classic argument, but it doesn't even remotely change the facts that porn is primarily made for men, and primarily and largely consumed by men.
Make no mistake about it, for every female that watches consumes porn, there are 5+ more guys consuming it more.
Liberation? What's your definition of liberation? Surely you don't mean the exploitation of women. Just because a woman signs on the dotted line doesn't mean she made a "liberated" decision. Go ahead and look up the percentage of these liberated women who were at some point in their past victims of sexual assault and abuse by family members/close friends...etc.
By your logic, a prostitute is also a liberated woman correct? Because it's her choice to do what she does correct? This disregard for how these people got to this point, and the face value at which we as men willi-nilly accept this idea of "choice" is an artifact of living in a patriarchal society. It's like white privilege, except it gender privilege for males. We assume that most if not all these women make these choices because they desire these lifestyles. What we don't realize is that these assumptions are purely stereotypical of our desires as males. No woman in her right mind grows up wanting to be called a "w*ore" or a "b" or "sl*t". The fact that some of y'all believe other wise is proof that there is something dangerously wrong with our society and how we view women in it.
All porn is based on domination and submission, some through violent means, others not to apparent violent means. The violence is not just limited to "sub-genres".
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