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I mean there were black slave owners during American slavery.
It's so easy to have this stance when you're centuries removed from that life.Sorry guys there is no lesser evil when it comes to owning humans. Devils are devils & no matter the "lesser treatment" you still or practicing the same devil **** Miss me with this between the line BS
No I'm not.Tf should they be betrayed as? Heroes of the world? Like dude is really in here caping for slaves owners. I'm sorry if your ancestors were devils but it is what it is. They were subhumans & deserved extermination. Get over it.
So let all the other slaves remain slaves until they die? Is that why you don't address the scenario?Zik If your master is your father that means he raped your mother. Why would you want anything from him? That would be my question.
So black slave owners that bought slaves and then freed them were just as ****** up as any other slave owners.I mean there were black slave owners during American slavery.
And those black slave owners were just as f'ed as all the white ones. This idea that some slave masters were "nice" is silly. I don't care if a few of them taught their slaves how to read and write, talked to them respectful. They still participated in the distrution of a people. Whether it was physical or mental. They still were ok with black people building this country, building this economy while getting nothing for it.
@ half devil. ClownZik I wasn't even referencing you. But since you engaged miss me acting like you're privy to some special information. Ellison was half devil & just as much deserved extermination as the rest. But nah slave breeding & human trafficking is cool as long as you treat your slaves a bit better than the full out devils. You're not gonna argue a good slave owner. Not gonna happen.
These ppl actually existed and did those things though.Your whole point is a loaded distraction.
"Well what if it was your father"
"Well what if they treated them with respect"
"Well what if they were just going along with it"
C'mon man.
So let all the other slaves remain slaves until they die? Is that why you don't address the scenario?Zik If your master is your father that means he raped your mother. Why would you want anything from him? That would be my question.
Saying why would you want anything from your rapist slave owning father is a loaded distraction question. We talking about slavery. Not accepting inheritance.
I'll assume you'd just go about your way and leave those ppl to their fate.
At this point I gotta assume you're purposely being dense.Somebody having to buy their freedom is still wrong bruh.
Choose what fate? These are slaves. Many uneducated. What you mean let them choose their fate. Have some common sense when you think about what their options are.And to answer the question... If you're placed in that situation you should let them choose their fate.
Again I don't think you're grasping the situation.It shouldn't be up to you.
Yes, in general it would be ****** up but the intent matters in this situation. You're not just remaining their owner for your benefit. You'd be trying to better the lives of a group of ppl (cuz you see them as ppl not property) as best you can cuz you know if you just cut em loose not many are gonna make it. Is that cool with you? Cold ****** up world? That's it?If you do choose to be their "inherited owner" no matter how good you treat them it's still f'ed up.
that is what they were arguing about
someone said they hope the slavemasters arent cartoon characters
then discussion turned into well some slavemasters were "nice"/black slavemasters etc
meaning that the desired portrayal must include these "nice" slavemasters because they actually did exist
when others are saying there is no such thing as a "nice" slavemaster and that these "nice" slavemasters were a rare occurrence
My point was specifically bringing that it wasn't across the board like that which is what I was initially speaking on.If we agree that the whole thing is wrong then what is your point in tryna bring up these rare scenarios where slave masters were "nice" or "respectful"?
What?All of them can catch the sword.
A father buying back his son is a slave owner. That aint wrong okay.If a black father is tryna buy his son back of course that ain't wrong.
That's cuz there's more than one example that I can bring up. I didn't go from this to that. I listed more than one scenario or instance in several following posts.That's a whole different story. You went from saying a slave owner in 12 Years A Slave was nice to a father wanting to free his son.
We're talking about the slave owner though. How is it 2 different things?Those are 2 totally different things. Just talking in circles now.
Well speaking on the film, the movie does not have to include nice slave masters (the term slave masters is two words btw).that is what they were arguing about
someone said they hope the slavemasters arent cartoon characters
then discussion turned into well some slavemasters were "nice"/black slavemasters etc
meaning that the desired portrayal must include these "nice" slavemasters because they actually did exist
when others are saying there is no such thing as a "nice" slavemaster and that these "nice" slavemasters were a rare occurrence
If we agree that the whole thing is wrong then what is your point in tryna bring up these rare scenarios where slave masters were "nice" or "respectful"? All of them can catch the sword.
If a black father is tryna buy his son back of course that ain't wrong. That's a whole different story. You went from saying a slave owner in 12 Years A Slave was nice to a father wanting to free his son. Those are 2 totally different things. Just talking in circles now.