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And you're going to evaluate their experience to music, in this case, as being less valid than yours?
You're coming off as an elitist in this sense.
You might as well call everyone who wears a polo shirt a fraud who doesn't understand country club culture or the origins of prep culture.
Lets just all wear white sheets and robes.
Don't get it twisted, I understand that there might be a context in which a style was developed, but who are you to limit who as access to it?
You might as well say that certain people, shouldn't do, certain things. Ever.
Exactly, but they're over here championing their adherence to "urban wear" as something thats only unique to them.And that's really what it boils down to it seems.And you're going to evaluate their experience to music, in this case, as being less valid than yours?
You're coming off as an elitist in this sense.
You might as well call everyone who wears a polo shirt a fraud who doesn't understand country club culture or the origins of prep culture.
Lets just all wear white sheets and robes.
Don't get it twisted, I understand that there might be a context in which a style was developed, but who are you to limit who as access to it?
You might as well say that certain people, shouldn't do, certain things. Ever.
Us vs them mentality. "They" are stealing "our" culture.
There's no room for influences. People can't have far flung interests and passions. That OB4CL example is ridiculous. And some of you have the nerve to point the finger and say "hipsters" have the need for authenticity? This pot kettle black **** is killing me. Why does it matter when a person first found a record they like? How does that in any way diminish their fanhood?
umm yea, ever seen good fellas? god father? scarface? how bout boyz in da hood and menance to society? last time i checked, thugs didn't dress monolithic..people actually had their own identity..so all you doingExactly, but they're over here championing their adherence to "urban wear" as something thats only unique to them.And that's really what it boils down to it seems.And you're going to evaluate their experience to music, in this case, as being less valid than yours?
You're coming off as an elitist in this sense.
You might as well call everyone who wears a polo shirt a fraud who doesn't understand country club culture or the origins of prep culture.
Lets just all wear white sheets and robes.
Don't get it twisted, I understand that there might be a context in which a style was developed, but who are you to limit who as access to it?
You might as well say that certain people, shouldn't do, certain things. Ever.
Us vs them mentality. "They" are stealing "our" culture.
There's no room for influences. People can't have far flung interests and passions. That OB4CL example is ridiculous. And some of you have the nerve to point the finger and say "hipsters" have the need for authenticity? This pot kettle black **** is killing me. Why does it matter when a person first found a record they like? How does that in any way diminish their fanhood?
So how about I just call all you all "thugs" and whatever you associate with that?
cosign, hipsters can culture vulture all they want, till they encounter someone who actually legit in their respective field and they basically get exposed word to da wizard of oz who turned out to be a fraud.I equate this to a white guy rapping.
You could argue on one hand that a rapper's background, ethnicity, motivations, and so on should have no bearing on the judgment of that rapper's talent.
Yet it has everything to do with it.
Ultimately authenticity and creativity determine whether one's "style" is really style. It's not that hipsters do or don't have style. It's that, regardless of what the fad is, there are good reasons and there are bad reasons for adopting that style. And those bad reasons are painfully obvious, even to an untrained observer. It's no coincidence that it only takes a couple minutes to notice the prevalence of certain personalities in hipster culture.
cosign, hipsters can culture vulture all they want, till they encounter someone who actually legit in their respective field and they basically get exposed word to da wizard of oz who turned out to be a fraud.
What decade did track suits and Adidas tennis shoes originate in?umm yea, ever seen good fellas? god father? scarface? how bout boyz in da hood and menance to society? last time i checked, thugs didn't dress monolithic..people actually had their own identity..so all you doingExactly, but they're over here championing their adherence to "urban wear" as something thats only unique to them.And that's really what it boils down to it seems.And you're going to evaluate their experience to music, in this case, as being less valid than yours?
You're coming off as an elitist in this sense.
You might as well call everyone who wears a polo shirt a fraud who doesn't understand country club culture or the origins of prep culture.
Lets just all wear white sheets and robes.
Don't get it twisted, I understand that there might be a context in which a style was developed, but who are you to limit who as access to it?
You might as well say that certain people, shouldn't do, certain things. Ever.
Us vs them mentality. "They" are stealing "our" culture.
There's no room for influences. People can't have far flung interests and passions. That OB4CL example is ridiculous. And some of you have the nerve to point the finger and say "hipsters" have the need for authenticity? This pot kettle black **** is killing me. Why does it matter when a person first found a record they like? How does that in any way diminish their fanhood?
So how about I just call all you all "thugs" and whatever you associate with that?
is graspin at straws and its sad....
when RUN DMC first burst on da scene wit da leather blazers and unlaced adidas, who were they emulating? cuz it damn sure wasn't a "well this is gonna b my urban look" there was NO SUCH THING as "urban wear" at all.
hell mainstream America still couldn't figure out that you can rape rap music for millions they were still TERRIFIED of it
...hell they didn't even WANT to advertise to minorities, so blacks and Hispanics in da inner cities just TOOK stuff and made it theirs...
hence creating a BRAND NEW original lane that was trailblazed by 80s babies....ya kiddies now got everything paved out for ya with cute lil signs and blog posts.
Culture vulture?cosign, hipsters can culture vulture all they want, till they encounter someone who actually legit in their respective field and they basically get exposed word to da wizard of oz who turned out to be a fraud.I equate this to a white guy rapping.
You could argue on one hand that a rapper's background, ethnicity, motivations, and so on should have no bearing on the judgment of that rapper's talent.
Yet it has everything to do with it.
Ultimately authenticity and creativity determine whether one's "style" is really style. It's not that hipsters do or don't have style. It's that, regardless of what the fad is, there are good reasons and there are bad reasons for adopting that style. And those bad reasons are painfully obvious, even to an untrained observer. It's no coincidence that it only takes a couple minutes to notice the prevalence of certain personalities in hipster culture.
you are yourself.It's been mainstream. I live in LA though, been tons of hipsters here for years now. Hell i have a couple friends that are.
What will it take for ya'll to just admit that you don't like people "in your club"Middle class black youth growing up in NYC, that are attracted to Hip-Hop are culture vultures?....
Damb.
This "man" will let nothing get in the way of his thirst to argue.
What happened to this thread?
Who typed that reply below though?
I understand that there can be Hot 97 Peter Rosenbergs out there but if you're not going to distinguish what separates a poser from someone who actually might "take it seriously" then the comparison never will hold up. Everyone is steeped in different cultures to various degrees.Some of the most knowledgeable and chill Hip-Hop fans are upper middle class Caucasians. Go to any Hip-Hop concert and club and they blend in and are totally accepted as part of the in crowd, even if they are dressed a little different from everyone else. Just look at dudes like Peter Rosenberg.
Real sneaker collectors span the gamut of social classifications, Chinese, Japanese, Pakistani, Black, White, Latino, etc. Once you put in the due time and effort to understand and respect the culture, its all good.
You can be a white or asian rasta, as long as your vibrations are irie and you take it seriously people will embrace you. But if you're a rich dude that grows locks and smokes weed just to fit in or standout...if the only song you know from Bob Marley is "Jammin" and you drive around playing Matishayu in a convertible E-Class....people might throw you into the "Trustafarian" category.
Vacuous, pretentious, trend-hopping posers are universally looked down upon in all cultures. Whether they be hype-beasts or hipsters.
That doesn't mean that you are an island of uniqueness or that they aren't human...it just means that they're faking the funk and everyone can see it.
I don't know why you can't take simple things at face value and always have to distort a convo until its unrecognizable just to make a point that no one else is even arguing.
Going so far as to grow dreds and listen to Ska thinking its real reggae doesn't matter to me, nor should it matter to you. If they want to wear Clarks and Ponchos, let them. Who cares?