Hide Ya Wives, Hide Ya Kids: Worldwide Coronavirus Pandemic!

[Blake P]

Heard on the news that the fastest time a vaccine has been developed was 4 years. They trying to get this one out in under a year.

You are correct. The difference, as I understand it, is that there was already alot of research done during prior coronavirus outbreaks (SARS/MERS), but since neither of those spread enough to become a worldwide pandemic, that research was never completed and helped researchers develop the current vaccine candidates more quickly due to the similarities. In the case of the Oxford group, they were able to hit the ground running and do what would normally take several years in just a few months.

EDIT: also forgot to mention that these trials that are currently being completed for safety and efficacy are able to be completed quickly because there is no shortage of people being exposed to the virus around the world. The difficult part that can often take many years is that they're waiting to make sure people in the study groups are actually exposed to the disease for which they're trying to develop the vaccine.

 

[05fordgt]

Heard on the news that the fastest time a vaccine has been developed was 4 years. They trying to get this one out in under a year.

And THIS^ right here, is the reason, I won't go for the 1st one available! I already have pre-existing health issues being a liver transplant patient & severe Crohn's Disease, and I want to see solid facts on side effects over a sustained period of time before I get one (and I do want one, just not the 1st one). I hope they can get it right and the early takers don't get any serious side effects.

 

[Betonblck]

Ok, I'll play... other than natural skepticism, what makes you say this? How long should it take? What steps are they skipping? Never before in the history of vaccine development has there been so much money, time, and effort been focused toward researching, developing, and testing. IMO, the stakes have never been higher to get it done right, right NOW.

Anyone in the clinical trial that took the vaccine in should have at least 6 months of monitoring to make sure there aren't any terrible or even deadly side effects.

If the first clinical trials are starting in May-June, that means that a rollout of the drug would have patient data from patients that have been monitored for a few months at the most, for that drug to be available by year end.

 

[shibadekobe]

 

[shibadekobe]

 

[Blake P]

Anyone in the clinical trial that took the vaccine in should have at least 6 months of monitoring to make sure there aren't any terrible or even deadly side effects.

If the first clinical trials are starting in May-June, that means that a rollout of the drug would have patient data from patients that have been monitored for a few months at the most, for that drug to be available by year end.

I'm genuinely curious where this "at least 6 months of monitoring" comes from. If that's truly the case, the first human trials began in March, IIRC. That would mean the window for this 6 month monitoring is right around the corner...

 

[jewelknows]

Funny how they jammin through these Vaccine phases.

 

[Betonblck]

I'm genuinely curious where this "at least 6 months of monitoring" comes from. If that's truly the case, the first human trials began in March, IIRC. That would mean the window for this 6 month monitoring is right around the corner...

That is if those vaccines are effective, which is very unlikely that the very first vaccines in clinical trials are effective.

 

[Blake P]

Funny how they jammin through these Vaccine phases.

Not nearly as quickly as most states jammed through reopening phases!

 

[friscostylez]

Chickenpox is a virus. Lots of people have had it, and probably don't think about it much once the initial illness has passed. But it stays in your body and lives there forever, and maybe when you're older, you have debilitatingly painful outbreaks of shingles. You don't just get over this virus in a few weeks, never to have another health effect. We know this because it's been around for years, and has been studied medically for years.

Herpes is also a virus. And once someone has it, it stays in your body and lives there forever, and anytime they get a little run down or stressed-out they're going to have an outbreak. Maybe every time you have a big event coming up (school pictures, job interview, big date) you're going to get a cold sore. For the rest of your life. You don't just get over it in a few weeks. We know this because it's been around for years, and been studied medically for years.

HIV is a virus. It attacks the immune system and makes the carrier far more vulnerable to other illnesses. It has a list of symptoms and negative health impacts that goes on and on. It was decades before viable treatments were developed that allowed people to live with a reasonable quality of life. Once you have it, it lives in your body forever and there is no cure. Over time, that takes a toll on the body, putting people living with HIV at greater risk for health conditions such as cardiovascular disease, kidney disease, diabetes, bone disease, liver disease, cognitive disorders, and some types of cancer. We know this because it has been around for years, and had been studied medically for years.

Now with COVID-19, we have a novel virus that spreads rapidly and easily. The full spectrum of symptoms and health effects is only just beginning to be cataloged, much less understood.
So far the symptoms may include:
Fever
Fatigue
Coughing
Pneumonia
Chills/Trembling
Acute respiratory distress
Lung damage (potentially permanent)
Loss of taste (a neurological symptom)
Sore throat
Headaches
Difficulty breathing
Mental confusion
Diarrhea
Nausea or vomiting
Loss of appetite
Strokes have also been reported in some people who have COVID-19 (even in the relatively young)
Swollen eyes
Blood clots
Seizures
Liver damage
Kidney damage
Rash
COVID toes (weird, right?)

People testing positive for COVID-19 have been documented to be sick even after 60 days. Many people are sick for weeks, get better, and then experience a rapid and sudden flare up and get sick all over again. A man in Seattle was hospitalized for 62 days, and while well enough to be released, still has a long road of recovery ahead of him. Not to mention a $1.1 million medical bill.

Then there is MIS-C. Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children is a condition where different body parts can become inflamed, including the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs. Children with MIS-C may have a fever and various symptoms, including abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, neck pain, rash, bloodshot eyes, or feeling extra tired. While rare, it has caused deaths.

This disease has not been around for years. It has basically been 6 months. No one knows yet the long-term health effects, or how it may present itself years down the road for people who have been exposed. We literally *do not know* what we do not know.

For those in our society who suggest that people being cautious are cowards, for people who refuse to take even the simplest of precautions to protect themselves and those around them, I want to ask, without hyperbole and in all sincerity:
How dare you?

How dare you risk the lives of others so cavalierly. How dare you decide for others that they should welcome exposure as "getting it over with", when literally no one knows who will be the lucky "mild symptoms" case, and who may fall ill and die. Because while we know that some people are more susceptible to suffering a more serious case, we also know that 20 and 30-year-olds have died, marathon runners and fitness nuts have died, children and infants have died.

How dare you behave as though you know more than medical experts, when those same experts acknowledge that there is so much we don't yet know, but with what we DO know, are smart enough to be scared of how easily this is spread, and recommend baseline precautions such as:
Frequent hand-washing
Physical distancing
Reduced social/public contact or interaction
Mask wearing
Covering your cough or sneeze
Avoiding touching your face
Sanitizing frequently touched surfaces

The more things we can all do to mitigate our risk of exposure, the better off we all are, in my opinion. Not only does it flatten the curve and allow health care providers to maintain levels of service that aren't immediately and catastrophically overwhelmed; it also reduces unnecessary suffering and deaths, and buys time for the scientific community to study the virus in order to come to a more full understanding of the breadth of its impacts in both the short and long term.

I reject the notion that it's "just a virus" and we'll all get it eventually. What a careless, lazy, heartless stance.”

 

[Blake P]

That is if those vaccines are effective, which is very unlikely that the very first vaccines in clinical trials are effective.

You're taking devil's advocate to new heights today bro
I'm here looking for glimmers of hope and nobody wants to think positive with me?

 

[8pm at msg]

I'll take the "new iphone approach" with the upcoming vaccine as well

 

[Betonblck]

 

[Blake P]

He's secretary of treasury, so obviously his intentions are (dare I say) different?
*checks stock market and verifies*

 

[wuchi01]

I'll take the "new iphone approach" with the upcoming vaccine as well

This sentiment made me laugh.
I been going every other for iphone upgrade.
Figure max of two models behind not to be obsolete.

 

[Blake P]

I'll take the "new iphone approach" with the upcoming vaccine as well

Pardon me if I don't understand the reference, I'm reading and responding from my iPhone 7!
Definitely not waiting 4 years for a vaccine after it's released.

 

[shibadekobe]

 

[Canadian Destroyer]

Followup: toxic hand sanitizers.
“The news comes after the FDA first warned of toxic hand sanitizers in June, with the list at the time including nine products. At least 46 additional products were added earlier this month before more hand sanitizers joined the list on Friday.”

List
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-updates-hand-sanitizers-methanol

News

https://www.foxnews.com/health/fda-75-toxic-hand-sanitizers-list

Damn can’t even trust hand sanitizers anymore. I just checked the list and have a big bottle of the first one on the list that I purchased at BJ’s. Luckily I haven’t even used it yet but I’m going to throw it out

 

[rooster]

Hello kitty hand sanitizer
Come on now lol

 

[wuchi01]

Damn can’t even trust hand sanitizers anymore. I just checked the list and have a big bottle of the first one on the list that I purchased at BJ’s. Luckily I haven’t even used it yet but I’m going to throw it out

Take back store and refund.
Gotta tell them product is officially bad.
They prob don’t even know not to sell.
Hopefully then will remove from shelf.
Glad you checked cause this is third time I’ve posted regarding same news.
Total recently went up to 75 brand names.

 

[had pants]

 

[Raji Lowenthal]

That is if those vaccines are effective, which is very unlikely that the very first vaccines in clinical trials are effective.

My limited understanding of clinical trials is that they take yearS. capital S.

 

[shibadekobe]

 

[hipstermike]

Can I sign up for multiple vaccines? In case one didn’t work correctly

 

[shibadekobe]