How accurate is this portrayal of Muslims?

[antonlavey]

Religion is one the only things that suggests grave punishment for something that doesn't affect you directly. Homosexuality and this are perfect examples.

 

[its that dude]

Originally Posted by stateofsingularity

Actually, Islam has been more tolerant than Christianity throughout the ages. But while other religions have grown more liberal, Islam has seen a surge in extremism/fundamentalism, particularly with the emergence of the Wahabi strain of Islam shortly after Saudi Arabia's independence.

As an aside,Saddam Hussein had perma-banned the proselytization of Wahabism, under pain of death. That's how much of a threat to his secular republic he considered it to be.

Applause to Christians for moving away from fundamentalism.  Thumbs down to Muslims for going backwards (or staying the same?).

 

[antonlavey]

Religion is one the only things that suggests grave punishment for something that doesn't affect you directly. Homosexuality and this are perfect examples.

 

[fatherless child]

OP what the $!$% is the point of this thread?? Seriously what the $!$% point are you trying to make???

 

[fatherless child]

OP what the $!$% is the point of this thread?? Seriously what the $!$% point are you trying to make???

 

[2lipslegit]

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by ohdannyboy

Your're also correct when you say that Muslims are getting a pass, especially in America, just because of their beliefs. I feel the exact same. But the group in this video just happened to Muslims. You could've have substituted the Muslims w/ literally any group, and that group, if disrespected to a certain degree, would've have acted the same. 
If someone rapes and murders x persons wife, and x person finds the guy and murders him, are x person's actions not justified even tho he's wrong?

Who is the victim from the making of this video?  Your hypothetical situation has a murdered rape victim.

you said the same thing to my example, but when I modified it nobody responded, which Im assuming is because there was no counterargument you could come up with.

Honestly it seems like this thread has been created for the point of trolling. If you read over my last few posts, I dont think youll be able to refute my point, honestly.

 

[2lipslegit]

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by ohdannyboy

Your're also correct when you say that Muslims are getting a pass, especially in America, just because of their beliefs. I feel the exact same. But the group in this video just happened to Muslims. You could've have substituted the Muslims w/ literally any group, and that group, if disrespected to a certain degree, would've have acted the same. 
If someone rapes and murders x persons wife, and x person finds the guy and murders him, are x person's actions not justified even tho he's wrong?

Who is the victim from the making of this video?  Your hypothetical situation has a murdered rape victim.

you said the same thing to my example, but when I modified it nobody responded, which Im assuming is because there was no counterargument you could come up with.

Honestly it seems like this thread has been created for the point of trolling. If you read over my last few posts, I dont think youll be able to refute my point, honestly.

 

[green rhino123]

some of the audience members are out of control
and should be ashamed by their behavior regardless

it would be foolish to sterotype all Muslims by the actions
of the audience in this video, as it is foolish to justify their
actions based on their religion

 

[green rhino123]

some of the audience members are out of control
and should be ashamed by their behavior regardless

it would be foolish to sterotype all Muslims by the actions
of the audience in this video, as it is foolish to justify their
actions based on their religion

 

[fatlighty]

Originally Posted by Fatherless Child

OP what the $!$% is the point of this thread?? Seriously what the $!$% point are you trying to make???

There is no point op has his mind made up about how he portrays muslims as a whole.

 

[abovelegit1]

You live in Western society, and obviously have a very narrow world view. Most of Western society could care less about religion. Most do not faithfully practice their religions, be it Judaism, Christianity, whatever. But if you go to a Muslim, a religion that requires more stricter practice (i.e pray five times a day), and proceed to insult what they hold sacred by associating it with pornography or what have you, of course you're going to prompt a strong reaction.

And this doesn't strictly apply to Muslims. It's called the mob mentality. Not sure why you're associating an outburst of justified anger with all Muslims being violent animals, but it's probably a personal problem you have with the religion (Its That Bigot). And yes, of course there is aggressive language in the Quran, but that is no different from EVERY monotheistic text. Of course, you will then say "Ah ha! Islam does support violence!" But you would once again be wrong.

There is an acute distinction between jihad — legal warfare with the proper rules of engagement — and irhab, or terrorism. The Quran states that those who commit irjaf are going to hell. This is all noted by scholar Phillip Jenkins of PSU. Mind you, there is violent language in the Old and New testament as well.

So why do you hear about a bunch of crazy Muslims blowing themselves and others up everyday? I'll paraphrase the scholar:

It's is because in the past 30 years, there's been a perfect storm that has created a violent offshoot of Islam. The first is obviously political, the frustration at Western intervention in the Muslim world (read Israel, unjustified war in Iraq, etc.). The second is intellectual, aka the rise of Wahhabi Islam, a more fundamentalist interpretation of Islam subscribed to by Osama bin Laden. Basically those who have their own agenda have distorted Islam for political purposes. It should be noted how small and insignificant a percentage of the billions of Muslims this is. Sadly, their actions are not so insignificant.

Basically what they do is they take verses out of context (jihad) and then use that to justify these horrific actions. (irhab)




Cliffnotes: Religions is what it has always been. Don't let the actions of a few distort your perspective of many.

 

[fatlighty]

Originally Posted by Fatherless Child

OP what the $!$% is the point of this thread?? Seriously what the $!$% point are you trying to make???

There is no point op has his mind made up about how he portrays muslims as a whole.

 

[ohdannyboy]

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by ohdannyboy

Your're also correct when you say that Muslims are getting a pass, especially in America, just because of their beliefs. I feel the exact same. But the group in this video just happened to Muslims. You could've have substituted the Muslims w/ literally any group, and that group, if disrespected to a certain degree, would've have acted the same. 
If someone rapes and murders x persons wife, and x person finds the guy and murders him, are x person's actions not justified even tho he's wrong?

Who is the victim from the making of this video?  Your hypothetical situation has a murdered rape victim.

Islam is the victim from the making of the video, and the people that care about it reacted. Just as the man in my example.

 

[abovelegit1]

You live in Western society, and obviously have a very narrow world view. Most of Western society could care less about religion. Most do not faithfully practice their religions, be it Judaism, Christianity, whatever. But if you go to a Muslim, a religion that requires more stricter practice (i.e pray five times a day), and proceed to insult what they hold sacred by associating it with pornography or what have you, of course you're going to prompt a strong reaction.

And this doesn't strictly apply to Muslims. It's called the mob mentality. Not sure why you're associating an outburst of justified anger with all Muslims being violent animals, but it's probably a personal problem you have with the religion (Its That Bigot). And yes, of course there is aggressive language in the Quran, but that is no different from EVERY monotheistic text. Of course, you will then say "Ah ha! Islam does support violence!" But you would once again be wrong.

There is an acute distinction between jihad — legal warfare with the proper rules of engagement — and irhab, or terrorism. The Quran states that those who commit irjaf are going to hell. This is all noted by scholar Phillip Jenkins of PSU. Mind you, there is violent language in the Old and New testament as well.

So why do you hear about a bunch of crazy Muslims blowing themselves and others up everyday? I'll paraphrase the scholar:

It's is because in the past 30 years, there's been a perfect storm that has created a violent offshoot of Islam. The first is obviously political, the frustration at Western intervention in the Muslim world (read Israel, unjustified war in Iraq, etc.). The second is intellectual, aka the rise of Wahhabi Islam, a more fundamentalist interpretation of Islam subscribed to by Osama bin Laden. Basically those who have their own agenda have distorted Islam for political purposes. It should be noted how small and insignificant a percentage of the billions of Muslims this is. Sadly, their actions are not so insignificant.

Basically what they do is they take verses out of context (jihad) and then use that to justify these horrific actions. (irhab)




Cliffnotes: Religions is what it has always been. Don't let the actions of a few distort your perspective of many.

 

[ohdannyboy]

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by ohdannyboy

Your're also correct when you say that Muslims are getting a pass, especially in America, just because of their beliefs. I feel the exact same. But the group in this video just happened to Muslims. You could've have substituted the Muslims w/ literally any group, and that group, if disrespected to a certain degree, would've have acted the same. 
If someone rapes and murders x persons wife, and x person finds the guy and murders him, are x person's actions not justified even tho he's wrong?

Who is the victim from the making of this video?  Your hypothetical situation has a murdered rape victim.

Islam is the victim from the making of the video, and the people that care about it reacted. Just as the man in my example.

 

[2lipslegit]

Originally Posted by ohdannyboy

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by ohdannyboy

Your're also correct when you say that Muslims are getting a pass, especially in America, just because of their beliefs. I feel the exact same. But the group in this video just happened to Muslims. You could've have substituted the Muslims w/ literally any group, and that group, if disrespected to a certain degree, would've have acted the same. 
If someone rapes and murders x persons wife, and x person finds the guy and murders him, are x person's actions not justified even tho he's wrong?

Who is the victim from the making of this video?  Your hypothetical situation has a murdered rape victim.

Islam is the victim from the making of the video, and the people that care about it reacted. Just as the man in my example.

I made a similar example, they said it was wrong because murder in your case (rape) in mine was illegal, unlike the video, according to them. I modified my example to not by illegal and they couldnt refute it. Were doing the same thing, my post was ignored and I hope it wont be continued to be, or that yours will at least be responded to... logically.
  

 

[2lipslegit]

Originally Posted by ohdannyboy

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by ohdannyboy

Your're also correct when you say that Muslims are getting a pass, especially in America, just because of their beliefs. I feel the exact same. But the group in this video just happened to Muslims. You could've have substituted the Muslims w/ literally any group, and that group, if disrespected to a certain degree, would've have acted the same. 
If someone rapes and murders x persons wife, and x person finds the guy and murders him, are x person's actions not justified even tho he's wrong?

Who is the victim from the making of this video?  Your hypothetical situation has a murdered rape victim.

Islam is the victim from the making of the video, and the people that care about it reacted. Just as the man in my example.

I made a similar example, they said it was wrong because murder in your case (rape) in mine was illegal, unlike the video, according to them. I modified my example to not by illegal and they couldnt refute it. Were doing the same thing, my post was ignored and I hope it wont be continued to be, or that yours will at least be responded to... logically.
  

 

[o fenomeno]

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by stateofsingularity

Actually, Islam has been more tolerant than Christianity throughout the ages. But while other religions have grown more liberal, Islam has seen a surge in extremism/fundamentalism, particularly with the emergence of the Wahabi strain of Islam shortly after Saudi Arabia's independence.

As an aside,Saddam Hussein had perma-banned the proselytization of Wahabism, under pain of death. That's how much of a threat to his secular republic he considered it to be.

Applause to Christians for moving away from fundamentalism.  Thumbs down to Muslims for going backwards (or staying the same?).

 huge generalizations. tons of christians are getting more fundamental by the day. and tons of muslims are going the other way. and tons of both groups are in gray areas. 
how many of you dudes actually know muslims? seems like people with some of the people who stereotype the most haven't met many islamic folks. 

 

[o fenomeno]

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by stateofsingularity

Actually, Islam has been more tolerant than Christianity throughout the ages. But while other religions have grown more liberal, Islam has seen a surge in extremism/fundamentalism, particularly with the emergence of the Wahabi strain of Islam shortly after Saudi Arabia's independence.

As an aside,Saddam Hussein had perma-banned the proselytization of Wahabism, under pain of death. That's how much of a threat to his secular republic he considered it to be.

Applause to Christians for moving away from fundamentalism.  Thumbs down to Muslims for going backwards (or staying the same?).

 huge generalizations. tons of christians are getting more fundamental by the day. and tons of muslims are going the other way. and tons of both groups are in gray areas. 
how many of you dudes actually know muslims? seems like people with some of the people who stereotype the most haven't met many islamic folks. 

 

[2lipslegit]

Originally Posted by o fenomeno

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by stateofsingularity

Actually, Islam has been more tolerant than Christianity throughout the ages. But while other religions have grown more liberal, Islam has seen a surge in extremism/fundamentalism, particularly with the emergence of the Wahabi strain of Islam shortly after Saudi Arabia's independence.

As an aside,Saddam Hussein had perma-banned the proselytization of Wahabism, under pain of death. That's how much of a threat to his secular republic he considered it to be.

Applause to Christians for moving away from fundamentalism.  Thumbs down to Muslims for going backwards (or staying the same?).

 huge generalizations. tons of christians are getting more fundamental by the day. and tons of muslims are going the other way. and tons of both groups are in gray areas. 
how many of you dudes actually know muslims? seems like people with some of the people who stereotype the most haven't met many islamic folks. 

Its like the white folks who said they were scared Obama was gonna take revenge for how black people had been treated, so they wouldnt vote for him.

 closed minded to the maximum

  

 

[fatherless child]

Salute to abovelegit1 for being a respectful and knowledgeable man. That was real.

 

[2lipslegit]

Originally Posted by o fenomeno

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by stateofsingularity

Actually, Islam has been more tolerant than Christianity throughout the ages. But while other religions have grown more liberal, Islam has seen a surge in extremism/fundamentalism, particularly with the emergence of the Wahabi strain of Islam shortly after Saudi Arabia's independence.

As an aside,Saddam Hussein had perma-banned the proselytization of Wahabism, under pain of death. That's how much of a threat to his secular republic he considered it to be.

Applause to Christians for moving away from fundamentalism.  Thumbs down to Muslims for going backwards (or staying the same?).

 huge generalizations. tons of christians are getting more fundamental by the day. and tons of muslims are going the other way. and tons of both groups are in gray areas. 
how many of you dudes actually know muslims? seems like people with some of the people who stereotype the most haven't met many islamic folks. 

Its like the white folks who said they were scared Obama was gonna take revenge for how black people had been treated, so they wouldnt vote for him.

 closed minded to the maximum

  

 

[fatherless child]

Salute to abovelegit1 for being a respectful and knowledgeable man. That was real.

 

[its that dude]

Originally Posted by 2LipsLegit

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by ohdannyboy

Your're also correct when you say that Muslims are getting a pass, especially in America, just because of their beliefs. I feel the exact same. But the group in this video just happened to Muslims. You could've have substituted the Muslims w/ literally any group, and that group, if disrespected to a certain degree, would've have acted the same. 
If someone rapes and murders x persons wife, and x person finds the guy and murders him, are x person's actions not justified even tho he's wrong?

Who is the victim from the making of this video?  Your hypothetical situation has a murdered rape victim.

you said the same thing to my example, but when I modified it nobody responded, which Im assuming is because there was no counterargument you could come up with.

Honestly it seems like this thread has been created for the point of trolling. If you read over my last few posts, I dont think youll be able to refute my point, honestly.

.  retaliating by murdering the person of whom my mother had consensual sex with is in no way justifiable.

Islam is the victim?

  I'll sure it Islam hasn't been changed in any way with the making of this video.  There is no victim here.

and I was gonna leave the whole Christianity angle alone, but yes, there has been a rise in christian fundamentalism as well.  I was looking at Christianity  over the span of hundreds of years around the world.

 

[its that dude]

Originally Posted by 2LipsLegit

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by ohdannyboy

Your're also correct when you say that Muslims are getting a pass, especially in America, just because of their beliefs. I feel the exact same. But the group in this video just happened to Muslims. You could've have substituted the Muslims w/ literally any group, and that group, if disrespected to a certain degree, would've have acted the same. 
If someone rapes and murders x persons wife, and x person finds the guy and murders him, are x person's actions not justified even tho he's wrong?

Who is the victim from the making of this video?  Your hypothetical situation has a murdered rape victim.

you said the same thing to my example, but when I modified it nobody responded, which Im assuming is because there was no counterargument you could come up with.

Honestly it seems like this thread has been created for the point of trolling. If you read over my last few posts, I dont think youll be able to refute my point, honestly.

.  retaliating by murdering the person of whom my mother had consensual sex with is in no way justifiable.

Islam is the victim?

  I'll sure it Islam hasn't been changed in any way with the making of this video.  There is no victim here.

and I was gonna leave the whole Christianity angle alone, but yes, there has been a rise in christian fundamentalism as well.  I was looking at Christianity  over the span of hundreds of years around the world.