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the heck is going on in this thread
Elitism
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the heck is going on in this thread
Glad thats all you found worth commenting on. Again, if you dont him to be the poster child for this that fine. Forget about Terrence. Fact of the matter is the issues that come from being poor dig way deeper than this man deciding to stick with one minimum wage job for 20 years as opposed to hopping to 5 or 10 different ones. fact of that matter is being born into his situation whether he had 8 kids or no kids, whether he stayed at one place or jumped to multiple place statistically the odds overwhelmingly in the favor of him remaining poor.
yall are making it seem like he hasn't switched jobs in 20 years and instead settled for flipping burgers.
yall are acting like he can't get financial aid and go to community college and get a better job.
yall are acting like it's our fault he decided to have 3 children with a minimum wage job.
yall are acting like its other peoples responsibility to help this man make more money
yall are acting like he didn't see the example of his mother working fast food that it wasn't the best career choice.
i don't pity laziness. i worked my *** off to get where i am.
20 years and not another job. 20 damn years. you could be a waiter and make more than he does.
i have plenty of friends with no education with better jobs than him.
A lot of people were never taught the importance of planning, because their parents weren't and their parents werent.
It's why generational poverty is so prevalent. This dude obviously made some bad choices though
But.. Not everybody has that get out and get it mentality because it's not what they know. It's not the norm to them. When you grow up struggling, it's what you know as normal.
when it comes down to it theres always going to be an impasse when discussing topics like this. One side assumes that the poor, even though they come from having less, are just as aware of the routes to making it out of poverty as those that arent poor and are actively not choosing those routes because its easier to remain in their situation and take handouts. The other side believes the vast majority of the poor are mostly ignorant of the existence of those routes out of poverty entirely and that being generationally poor conditioned them to accept poverty and everything that comes with it, ie low paying jobs, government assistance, criminal behavior, and the devaluing of education by both the school systems in the area as well as those around them, as the norm.
To me, when you get number as large as 70% of people that are born poor stay poor, it seems more plausible to me that there is way more at play than just 70% of an entire socioeconomic class being lazy and making bad decisions. Personal accountability does play a roll to an extent but none of the choices that this guy can realistically make does anything to change his socioeconomic status when youre coming from within the context and environment. Youre expecting him to do something that very few people in his position are able to do.
well im glad we're on the same page here as far as the mentality these people have.This is all very true. I think it's easy for us to say somebody isn't driven or makes poor choices etc, but many people are just never in an environment to learn about how to make good choices or figure out how to improve their situation, much less have the drive to do so.
My sister did social work for a while and she had a lot of cases where people were just gaming the system (taking disability pay for supposed ADHD, etc) but a lot of her kids were good kids who had just been living off the government for so long that they didn't even conceive of the possibility of getting a job or being self-sufficient because it was all they knew and they had no life skills whatsoever. She told me about one girl who was 16 and had 2 young kids and had never even been to the store/didn't know how to buy diapers, and had never gone to a restaurant and ordered from a menu before :/ Without basic life skills/direction, lots of people like that are doomed to fail regardless of whether or not they're hard-working etc.
That being said, I don't think an artificially inflated national minimum wage is going to fix many of those issues; one only need look no further than many NBA and NFL athletes to see that having more money all of a sudden doesn't make a person better at managing it.
I think if more money was pumped into adult education courses and that aspect of government assistance, and it could reach enough people, it would be a lot more effective than a raised minimum wage in helping reduce that 70% of people that don't make it out of that socioeconomic class. If you look at the people who do break through that ceiling, overwhelmingly it's because they had the foresight/attitude/knowledge to know that something better was available to them and they fought to make it happen. That type of thinking doesn't come automatically with a higher paying job.
y'all keep thinking minimum wage doesn't need to reflect a livable wage because it won't change anything though
but minimum wage IS a livable wage including assistance programs
any family w/ kids making minimum wage? it better be something mentally or physically wrong with the parents for me to even look at wage solutions for them
Who's paying for these assistance programs?
How the hell did my name get in that quote
Minimum wage plus assistance
I stated my piece, did you see the statistics I just shared? Too many people not making livable wages and don't qualify for assistance.Minimum wage plus assistance
10 pages of adult conversation with reasonable debate on both sides
are we downgrading to replying by emoticons and gifs now?
state your piece
A single person making 16K before taxes is living where? Eating what? Qualifying for?
A single person making 16K before taxes is living where? Eating what? Qualifying for?