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Yea, I don't think anyone thinks that.
The JUwanna Man jokes are just that, jokes. (For those that make them)
Sports ain't THAT important.
NCAA Will Allow Trans Athletes: Lia Thomas Becomes 1st NCAA Transgender Champion
Yea, I don't think anyone thinks that.
The JUwanna Man jokes are just that, jokes. (For those that make them)
Sports ain't THAT important.
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Yea, I don't think anyone thinks that.
The JUwanna Man jokes are just that, jokes. (For those that make them)
Sports ain't THAT important.
Well, let’s define what is meant by “cheating” then.
And I disagree, sports CAN become “that important” when money and scholarships are on the line.
and, those “jokes” are the exact arguments being used against inclusion
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I don't know if he was using cheating as an EXAMPLE or about THIS topic. He can answer.
But yea, I'm not seeing people claiming children/adults will be doing gender reassignments based on playing women's sports.
If you see otherwise, please post.
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Then where’s the argument at all against inclusion?If they’re women then we’re talking about women playing women’s sports. But here we are .....
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Ok, you and I seem to be discussing different things.
A. I am saying that those OPPOSED to the inclusion of trans-athletes are NOT saying that, "People will change their gender JUST TO play sports."
B. Those against inclusion feel it is unfair due to the genetic/biological differences the average man (having transitioned or not) has over the average woman. (When dealing with trans-women competing vs. cis-genered women)
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in the end
blastercombo
is correct in that any argument comes down to whether one fully accepts the idea of gender reassignment.
blastercombo
is correct in that any argument comes down to whether one fully accepts the idea of gender reassignment.
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Yep, that I can agree with.in the end
Not only the "idea" of it but the legitimacy of the actual process.
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A. If they’re women then it’s not “inclusion”. Just women playing women. We can agree with that correct?
B. That’s true, can’t and won’t argue against that. Lots of things are unfair so I’m semi not even worried about that aspect TO A DEGREE. But to be fair there isn’t an overwhelming amount of instances where trans athletes are coming out and dismantling a women’s program
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in the end
Pretty much. Either you accept it or you don’t. There’s no middle ground in this. Also, creation of a trans only division is not acceptance
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Yea, this is where the hang-up is for sure.
Erasing men even having/being part of this convo, when women feel trans-women are NOT women, how do you respond to it?
I think it is easy to call men transphobic since we are the way that we are, but how often are women's voices heard/valued on this topic? (Legit question)
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Would like to hear your thoughts up.Right, which is why I feel Sports should no longer be divided up based on GENDER.
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Sports for the most part, isn't divided by gender, it's divided by sex. A couple of years ago, a female basketball player transitioned into a transman. Stayed on the women's team.
Women are conditioned to be accepting and nice. I used to be on the transwomen are women train until I peaked trans. (It involved an innocent post reminding women to get a pap smear.)
In my experience, the vitriol towards women who are gender critical is much worse than it is for men. Take how people have treated J.K. Rowling. She never said she hated trans people or that they shouldn't exist. Yet she still receives death and rape threats. Young lesbians are being told that they are transphobic for not wanting to date/sleep with transwomen. Trans people are being shunned for acknowledging that their gender is not the same as their biological sex.
Woman is not a feeling. Nor is it long hair, nails, dresses and pretending like you're helpless or a ditz. Fun fact, a couple of days before they were killed, Marsha P. Johnson gave an interview as Malcolm and said he was a gay man. Yet, the movement has made them a transgender icon who started Stonewall.
I believe in the freedom to live life in the way you want, as long as you do it with consenting adults and don't infringe on other people's rights. Women have the right to demand single sex shelters. To ask for a female sex doctor/nurse, particularly when they have experienced trauma.
Women are conditioned to be accepting and nice. I used to be on the transwomen are women train until I peaked trans. (It involved an innocent post reminding women to get a pap smear.)
In my experience, the vitriol towards women who are gender critical is much worse than it is for men. Take how people have treated J.K. Rowling. She never said she hated trans people or that they shouldn't exist. Yet she still receives death and rape threats. Young lesbians are being told that they are transphobic for not wanting to date/sleep with transwomen. Trans people are being shunned for acknowledging that their gender is not the same as their biological sex.
Woman is not a feeling. Nor is it long hair, nails, dresses and pretending like you're helpless or a ditz. Fun fact, a couple of days before they were killed, Marsha P. Johnson gave an interview as Malcolm and said he was a gay man. Yet, the movement has made them a transgender icon who started Stonewall.
I believe in the freedom to live life in the way you want, as long as you do it with consenting adults and don't infringe on other people's rights. Women have the right to demand single sex shelters. To ask for a female sex doctor/nurse, particularly when they have experienced trauma.
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So for the record, they are not women to you correct?
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In the same way that I'm a woman? No.
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.....the knicks won 12 of the last 13 and I am a very happy man.
.....the knicks won 12 of the last 13 and I am a very happy man.
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Kinda funny how the same people that cry about cultural appropriation champion transgenderism...
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From what it sounds like, it’s they want to play in the girls leagues or bust. They aren’t willing to compromise by having a league of their own. So if they want to play in the girls leagues and end up being allowed to, just put an asterisk next to their stats and records.
Most people still view Hank Aaron as the MLB all time home run leader and Roger Marris as the single season record holder due to all the shenanigans that went out during the steroid era in baseball (which MLB turned a blind eye to). But a lot of people don’t view those records set during the steroid era as legitimate due to all the performance enhancing stuff which attributed to them, so any records trans athletes break should be treated the same way.
Most people still view Hank Aaron as the MLB all time home run leader and Roger Marris as the single season record holder due to all the shenanigans that went out during the steroid era in baseball (which MLB turned a blind eye to). But a lot of people don’t view those records set during the steroid era as legitimate due to all the performance enhancing stuff which attributed to them, so any records trans athletes break should be treated the same way.
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ok take the word cheating out of my questioning.
Is it true or not that trans women have an advantage over women who born women?
Im not even making an argument because I personally have no clue what should or should not happen. I’m legit on the fence about this.
I hear arguments that trans women do not have an advantage because of testosterone levels but a man’s bone structure and foundation is far different from a woman’s bone structure. That does not change with testosterone suppressants.
women should have the final say on this matter and not the government whether trans women should be allowed to participate or not. I’d like to hear what other people think about this too.
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Is it true or not that trans women have an advantage over women who born women?
Im not even making an argument because I personally have no clue what should or should not happen. I’m legit on the fence about this.
I hear arguments that trans women do not have an advantage because of testosterone levels but a man’s bone structure and foundation is far different from a woman’s bone structure. That does not change with testosterone suppressants.
women should have the final say on this matter and not the government whether trans women should be allowed to participate or not. I’d like to hear what other people think about this too.
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What do you mean?
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JK Rowling is a full on TERF
That shouldn't be excused just because "she never said she hated trans people or that they shouldn't exist"
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If J.K. is a TERF, then I guess I am too. It's a slur meant to shut down discussion and more importantly shut women up. So what exactly did Jo say that you find unreasonable?
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This is why I don’t believe transgenderism exist. It’s cosplay of their ideal image of the gender they’re claiming. I say this w/ no malice, I just don’t believe in it.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Jenner could still smoke current women's runners.
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"TERF is a slur" in the same way "straight white male" is a slur
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**** is tref?
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You’re entitled to believe that. Does that create fact? No.
Don’t mean this in a hostile way either so don’t take it that way
