OFFICIAL FOOTY THREAD ⚽️: Euro Cup and Copa America underway

Just like the Fenerbache fans rioting cause they had 99 points, lost the league by 3 all with only one lost during the season, you couldn't do more.
 
Just realized Pau Torres & Pedro Porro left off the Spanish squad's for Euro's.

Thought both of those guys were really good this year, not sure how they didn't even make the provisional squad when they're are some pretty questionable inclusions.
 
worldbeefreeg said:
Just realized Pau Torres & Pedro Porro left off the Spanish squad's for Euro's.

Thought both of those guys were really good this year, not sure how they didn't even make the provisional squad when they're are some pretty questionable inclusions.
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Damn I thought Pedro Porro was Brazilian or Portuguese this whole time :lol:
 
worldbeefreeg said:
Just realized Pau Torres & Pedro Porro left off the Spanish squad's for Euro's.

Thought both of those guys were really good this year, not sure how they didn't even make the provisional squad when they're are some pretty questionable inclusions.
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Premier league players. Spanish federation is bitter la Liga has lost viewers and money since Cristiano and Messi left
 
jking0821 said:
I think everyone knows that IF they are found guilty of 115 charges yes….that would equate to a huge penalty. But how can you not explain the IF here? Isn’t that what everyone wants to know?
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For the most part it explains the IF.
I think the CAS ruling was a horrible miscarriage either way but Man City simply outlawyered the other party. They managed to get key evidence excluded and the remainder of the case relied on somewhat circumstantial evidence that was obtained through criminal means. They evidence that was allowed did contain communications explicitly laying out the elements of the conspiracy but other communications confirming that the conspiracy was implemented were excluded. There was also the issue that some of the hacked/leaked emails were parsed together. The content was accurate but the hacker merged some elements of different emails together, which helped City's defense that CAS couldn't convict them based on criminally obtained emails that contained parsed elements. CAS stated that as the basis for their ruling.

City never denied or confirmed the authenticity of the leaked emails, and they can't make that same evidence in the current IC case due to different evidentiary standards and investigative authority.
Hence why they've also obstructed the IC's cooperation demands, which succesfully stalled the case (along with challenging every procedural element and appealing every subsequent ruling) but also racked up more charges for the obstruction.
It's also a civil case instead of a criminal case so the IC doesn't need to meet a standard of beyond reasonable doubt. Even if you just look at the content of the emails, I don't see how any reasonable person could conclude that it's insufficient to argue that City likely didn't commit the offenses established by those communications. They literally spell out the elements of the conspiracy word for word, and later emails discuss payments and invoices that were part of the conspiracy.

Masking payments, inflating sponsorships through a UAE government associate who has a controlling influence of both City Group and said sponsors, structuring the payments in a specific manner and falsifying the invoices, using middlemen to put up the money, ...
It's all there in writing. If they can't find a way to get most of the evidence tossed out, it's over. Unless the IC wants to close their eyes and ears and pretend they were just writing fanfiction of course.
 
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Boehly must be using his Dodgers/Lakers/Draftkings cash to pay out these deals cause 5 years is a lot.

Maresca seems to be respeected as a tactical mind and with our type of players it'll be needed. It's the front office that'll be the issue.
 
Belgium said:
For the most part it explains the IF.
I think the CAS ruling was a horrible miscarriage either way but Man City simply outlawyered the other party. They managed to get key evidence excluded and the remainder of the case relied on somewhat circumstantial evidence that was obtained through criminal means. They evidence that was allowed did contain communications explicitly laying out the elements of the conspiracy but other communications confirming that the conspiracy was implemented were excluded. There was also the issue that some of the hacked/leaked emails were parsed together. The content was accurate but the hacker merged some elements of different emails together, which helped City's defense that CAS couldn't convict them based on criminally obtained emails that contained parsed elements. CAS stated that as the basis for their ruling.

City never denied or confirmed the authenticity of the leaked emails, and they can't make that same evidence in the current IC case due to different evidentiary standards and investigative authority.
Hence why they've also obstructed the IC's cooperation demands, which succesfully stalled the case (along with challenging every procedural element and appealing every subsequent ruling) but also racked up more charges for the obstruction.
It's also a civil case instead of a criminal case so the IC doesn't need to meet a standard of beyond reasonable doubt. Even if you just look at the content of the emails, I don't see how any reasonable person could conclude that it's insufficient to argue that City likely didn't commit the offenses established by those communications. They literally spell out the elements of the conspiracy word for word, and later emails discuss payments and invoices that were part of the conspiracy.

Masking payments, inflating sponsorships through a UAE government associate who has a controlling influence of both City Group and said sponsors, structuring the payments in a specific manner and falsifying the invoices, using middlemen to put up the money, ...
It's all there in writing. If they can't find a way to get most of the evidence tossed out, it's over. Unless the IC wants to close their eyes and ears and pretend they were just writing fanfiction of course.
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I appreciate this. I have read some of the claims but will gladly plead ignorance. If they are found guilty punish them. There are rules that are in place and if they broke them then do what you got to do.

As a City fan im tired of the 115 narrative as if every player on the team is scum. In all honestly it is going to be quite wild if they push them down multiple leagues. The circus it will become will probably make for good television.
 
Don't think anyone hates on the players and their achievements themselves per se since they're wildly acknowledged as some of the best in the world and easily the deepest squad in football. They sweep up most of the major accolades domestically too.

The hate gets directed at the club itself and the manners, legal or otherwise, in which they've been able to assemble some of the deepest squads we've seen in recent memory without any issues within their books or barriers while the biggest and wealthiest sides in the club seemingly always have to find some way to juggle/balance their recruitment with sales to keep in line with the financial regulations that seem to be complete non-factors for the state-funded clubs.

The explanation that those sides simply make THAT much more revenue than those clubs all of a sudden has never passed the sniff test...
 
jking0821 said:
I appreciate this. I have read some of the claims but will gladly plead ignorance. If they are found guilty punish them. There are rules that are in place and if they broke them then do what you got to do.

As a City fan im tired of the 115 narrative as if every player on the team is scum. In all honestly it is going to be quite wild if they push them down multiple leagues. The circus it will become will probably make for good television.
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People who target the players, or honestly even managers, are just ignorant imo.
Fraud is the reason that City has such an insane level of squad depth in the first place but at the end of the day that's not the players' fault and they still need to put in the work.
The people responsible for this are at the very top of the club, City Group and UAE government officials. Sure there's probably some lower employees in the finance division that need to help falsify financial records but those are just pawns.


I don't think a state-owned club is inherently bad but it provides a very easy route for abuse. Doesn't have to be the UAE, Saudi Arabia or whatever, the same goes for any country.
The easiest route, as we see with City, is through sponsorships where the state has a controlling influence on both the club and the sponsors. On top of that, the state can also try to exert political pressure on a government for potential benefits. As the UK government recently admitted, the UAE has brought up the City case in talks with the UK. We don't have any details about the context because the UK government stated that making such details public could potentially damage their relationship with the UAE. I don't think that necessarily implies the UAE brought it up for malicious reasons but it's a bad look in any circumstance, and I think most people would take that as an implication of political pressure.
Part of City's defense is that there is allegedly a layer of separation between the state level and City Group, so why does the UAE government bring it up?

The supposed layer of separation is the same thing Saudi Arabia argued to gain control over Newcastle. Meanwhile that same owner is arguing in a US court that their role in LIV golf can't be investigated because they have diplomatic immunity as "an extension of the sovereign state of Saudi Arabia."
It's just nonsense that anyone with a brain can see through.
 
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whtascene said:
Maresca on a 5 year deal sounds like a huge compensation package waiting to happen.
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People don't notice this. Maresca is actually the first person that Chelsea co-sporting directors appoint him as new head coach

Graham Potter got hired (September) before the club hired those two co-sporting directors (late Oct & Nov)

Owners were pressured to hire a big name manager after sacking Potter. Co-sporting directors never intended to keep Poch for a long term. Hint that they only offered a 24-month contract to Poch

According to unreliable sources, RDZ was Owner Eghbali's guy but Eghbali let co-sporting directors to hire for the head coach position
 
d3si said:
People don't notice this. Maresca is actually the first person that Chelsea co-sporting directors appoint him as new head coach

Graham Potter got hired (September) before the club hired those two co-sporting directors (late Oct & Nov)

Owners were pressured to hire a big name manager after sacking Potter. Co-sporting directors never intended to keep Poch for a long term. Hint that they only offered a 24-month contract to Poch

According to unreliable sources, RDZ was Owner Eghbali's guy but Eghbali let co-sporting directors to hire for the head coach position
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Spot on, Joe Shields was big on getting Enzo as he had experience with him from City days. Shields was also big on bringing on Palmer when Pouch didn't want him along with Lavia. He is also the one pushing to get Olise
 
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