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Official Miami Heat (4) vs OKC Thunder (1) NBA Finals Thread - Miami Heat NBA Champions
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Co-sign 100%.
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Whatever they do...just get rid of that fat *#%% of a loser Kendrick Perkins. Dude has moved a notch below Andray Blatche as my least favorite player.
Dude is #++#@@+ WORTHLESS. He's supposed to be an low post enforcer and paint protector...and I don't have enough hands to count the number of times Bron, Wade, and Chalmers got to the rim and his big fat slow footed %!@ was just watching as they laid it up.
Dude is #++#@@+ WORTHLESS. He's supposed to be an low post enforcer and paint protector...and I don't have enough hands to count the number of times Bron, Wade, and Chalmers got to the rim and his big fat slow footed %!@ was just watching as they laid it up.
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This.
If the hate is backed by some legitimacy then it's ok. Not everyone has to like Bron. But you have dudes on here just spewing out all kinds of nonsense like wishing for Bron to get hurt.
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been saying this the entire series he's the most overrated "defender" in the NBA, after *****ing about playing time and lineup changes dude got PLENTY of minutes last night and gave up score after score right in his grill
FWIW Dior, check out #5:
Five burning questions facing OKC.
Five burning questions facing OKC.
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Five years ago, Sam Presti was hired to be the general manager of this current Oklahoma City Thunder team.
Four years ago, the Thunder wrapped up a 20-win season led by rookie Kevin Durant. Three years ago, rookie Russell Westbrook and Durant won 22 of the final 69 games under new coach Scott Brooks, who took over midseason for P.J. Carlesimo.
And then two years ago, the leap happened -- the Thunder more than doubled their win total to 50 games and reached the playoffs before losing to the eventual champion Los Angeles Lakers in the first round. One year ago, the Thunder reached the Western Conference finals and lost to the eventual champion Dallas Mavericks.
And this year, the Thunder reached the NBA Finals and lost to the champion Heat.
Notice a pattern?
Each year, one step closer to winning the championship. And now there's only one more step to take. The Thunder's soaring trajectory points them toward winning the Larry O'Brien trophy next season, but as Durant stressed to reporters recently, nothing is guaranteed in this league.
The Thunder find themselves on the brink of reaching the ultimate goal and should celebrate how far they've gone in so little time. They have a golden opportunity going forward, and almost every team would trade positions in a second.
But they have some tough decisions to make on the horizon. With three stars younger than 24 (Durant, Westbrook and James Harden) and another one in the making (Serge Ibaka), the Thunder have the essential ingredients of a dynasty, but they have to win the championship first.
How can they get there? Presti has gotten them all the way here by making some difficult and sometimes unpopular decisions, and there will be some more in the near future. Here are five burning questions for the Thunder after their five-game series loss to the Miami Heat.
[h3]1. Do they do anything?[/h3]
That's the biggest question. Just by virtue of natural growth, the Thunder have a good chance of being right back here a year from now. Remember, the Thunder's four best players could be All-Stars next season before age 25. Think about that. The Thunder are gushing with young assets, and each individual's development could be just what the doctor ordered. Making no moves could be the most prudent move of all.
That is probably true, but this is also probably true: Young assets are more valuable to a rebuilding franchise than a team in win-now mode. By collecting all this young talent, Presti built a Finals-caliber team, but he also generated flexibility to flip one of these youngsters for a star veteran who better fits their needs.
That's huge bargaining power, and it's up to Presti to decide what to do with it. But before he makes his call on what to do with his players, he has another question at hand.
[h3]2. Do they keep Scott Brooks as coach?[/h3]
The Thunder don't have any pressing free agents except this big one: their coach. Brooks, like his Finals adversary, Erik Spoelstra, remains one of the most successful young coaches in the league, but with a contract reaching its expiration date, he could walk away from the Thunder this offseason. Will he?
It's hard to tell at this point, but the Thunder could re-up with the coach who was talented enough to lead them to this point, a coach who also reflects the youthful identity of the organization. Or they could move in another direction and find a more experienced coach who has won a title before -- 11 of them, in fact. Don't count out a return from Phil Jackson to take a dream job coaching the most promising crop of young talent the league has seen recently.
Although there has been no indication from Jackson's camp that he has his eye on the Thunder, that's a partnership that makes almost too much sense. If Brooks walks for more money elsewhere, Stan Van Gundy could be another target, although all signs point to his taking a year off to refresh the batteries.
[h3]3. Is Russell Westbrook their point guard of the future?[/h3]
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AP Photo/Lynne SladkyCan Westbrook continue as the Thunder's point guard, or would Nash make a difference?
Some folks around the league think Westbrook is out of place. Sure, he's undoubtedly one of the top five point guards in the league, but his skill set could make him the best shooting guard around. He's a 6-foot-3 bottle rocket with the handle of a point guard, but the ruthless athleticism and scoring mentality of a shooting guard. Sounds a lot like a young Dwyane Wade.
One of the biggest issues for the Thunder is that Durant often has trouble getting his hands on the ball in critical moments. Part of that is on the wiry Durant struggling to free himself up against stronger defenders who muscle him out on the perimeter. Part of that is due to Westbrook's relative shortcomings as a creative distributor.
But moving Westbrook to the 2 would be a risky move considering Westbrook has had so much success as a point guard and there's no sense in messing with the team's chemistry. Unless there's a worthwhile reason. And as luck would have it, the most talented floor general of this generation is on the market this summer.
[h3]4. Should the Thunder go after free agent Steve Nash?[/h3]
Now this would be special, wouldn't it? Can you imagine the league-wide terror of trying to stop the pairing of Nash and the league's top scorer in the halfcourt? Or how about Nash, Durant and Westbrook in the open court? Since the Thunder are capped out, that's just a pipedream, right?
It isn't and here's why: the Thunder could flip Harden (an Arizona State product, remember) to Phoenix in a sign-and-trade deal for Nash and Marcin Gortat. The Thunder have the contracts to make the money work (Kendrick Perkins and Daequan could be thrown in) and the Suns could get their young stud of the future without letting Nash go for nothing.
As unstoppable as the Thunder might be offensively were this to happen, it comes with its veritable risks, too. Nash is 38 and has a problematic back that could end his playing career at any moment. It's also worth wondering how healthy Nash would be without being monitored by the miracle-working Phoenix training staff. But Nash is a virtuoso, once-in-a-lifetime talent. If he can't get Durant the ball where he wants it, no one can. Oh, and Gortat ain't bad.
[h3]5. Is Kendrick Perkins an amnesty candidate?[/h3]
Could a starting center in the NBA Finals really be an amnesty candidate? It's possible. If the Thunder want to afford both Ibaka and Harden when it comes extension time after next season (or whomever they bring in as a free agent, say Nash), they would inevitably be pushed over the luxury tax line, something that the ownership in Oklahoma City might not be ready to do with their modest revenue.
So the logical move to help get under the tax line by moving Perkins' hefty contract that pays him $25 million over the next three seasons. If they can't find a taker for the offensively-limited center, they could shed the contract off the books using the amnesty provision. The Thunder ownership would still have to pay him, but his money would come off the cap, perhaps alleviating the organization of tax penalties.
Unlike most teams, the Thunder have depth at center in case they decide to unload Perkins' deal. Ibaka and Nick Collison could step in as the team's starting center and move Durant to the power forward position. As the league trends toward small-ball lineups, this could be the natural progression anyway.
Four years ago, the Thunder wrapped up a 20-win season led by rookie Kevin Durant. Three years ago, rookie Russell Westbrook and Durant won 22 of the final 69 games under new coach Scott Brooks, who took over midseason for P.J. Carlesimo.
And then two years ago, the leap happened -- the Thunder more than doubled their win total to 50 games and reached the playoffs before losing to the eventual champion Los Angeles Lakers in the first round. One year ago, the Thunder reached the Western Conference finals and lost to the eventual champion Dallas Mavericks.
And this year, the Thunder reached the NBA Finals and lost to the champion Heat.
Notice a pattern?
Each year, one step closer to winning the championship. And now there's only one more step to take. The Thunder's soaring trajectory points them toward winning the Larry O'Brien trophy next season, but as Durant stressed to reporters recently, nothing is guaranteed in this league.
The Thunder find themselves on the brink of reaching the ultimate goal and should celebrate how far they've gone in so little time. They have a golden opportunity going forward, and almost every team would trade positions in a second.
But they have some tough decisions to make on the horizon. With three stars younger than 24 (Durant, Westbrook and James Harden) and another one in the making (Serge Ibaka), the Thunder have the essential ingredients of a dynasty, but they have to win the championship first.
How can they get there? Presti has gotten them all the way here by making some difficult and sometimes unpopular decisions, and there will be some more in the near future. Here are five burning questions for the Thunder after their five-game series loss to the Miami Heat.
[h3]1. Do they do anything?[/h3]
That's the biggest question. Just by virtue of natural growth, the Thunder have a good chance of being right back here a year from now. Remember, the Thunder's four best players could be All-Stars next season before age 25. Think about that. The Thunder are gushing with young assets, and each individual's development could be just what the doctor ordered. Making no moves could be the most prudent move of all.
That is probably true, but this is also probably true: Young assets are more valuable to a rebuilding franchise than a team in win-now mode. By collecting all this young talent, Presti built a Finals-caliber team, but he also generated flexibility to flip one of these youngsters for a star veteran who better fits their needs.
That's huge bargaining power, and it's up to Presti to decide what to do with it. But before he makes his call on what to do with his players, he has another question at hand.
[h3]2. Do they keep Scott Brooks as coach?[/h3]
The Thunder don't have any pressing free agents except this big one: their coach. Brooks, like his Finals adversary, Erik Spoelstra, remains one of the most successful young coaches in the league, but with a contract reaching its expiration date, he could walk away from the Thunder this offseason. Will he?
It's hard to tell at this point, but the Thunder could re-up with the coach who was talented enough to lead them to this point, a coach who also reflects the youthful identity of the organization. Or they could move in another direction and find a more experienced coach who has won a title before -- 11 of them, in fact. Don't count out a return from Phil Jackson to take a dream job coaching the most promising crop of young talent the league has seen recently.
Although there has been no indication from Jackson's camp that he has his eye on the Thunder, that's a partnership that makes almost too much sense. If Brooks walks for more money elsewhere, Stan Van Gundy could be another target, although all signs point to his taking a year off to refresh the batteries.
[h3]3. Is Russell Westbrook their point guard of the future?[/h3]
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AP Photo/Lynne SladkyCan Westbrook continue as the Thunder's point guard, or would Nash make a difference?
Some folks around the league think Westbrook is out of place. Sure, he's undoubtedly one of the top five point guards in the league, but his skill set could make him the best shooting guard around. He's a 6-foot-3 bottle rocket with the handle of a point guard, but the ruthless athleticism and scoring mentality of a shooting guard. Sounds a lot like a young Dwyane Wade.
One of the biggest issues for the Thunder is that Durant often has trouble getting his hands on the ball in critical moments. Part of that is on the wiry Durant struggling to free himself up against stronger defenders who muscle him out on the perimeter. Part of that is due to Westbrook's relative shortcomings as a creative distributor.
But moving Westbrook to the 2 would be a risky move considering Westbrook has had so much success as a point guard and there's no sense in messing with the team's chemistry. Unless there's a worthwhile reason. And as luck would have it, the most talented floor general of this generation is on the market this summer.
[h3]4. Should the Thunder go after free agent Steve Nash?[/h3]
Now this would be special, wouldn't it? Can you imagine the league-wide terror of trying to stop the pairing of Nash and the league's top scorer in the halfcourt? Or how about Nash, Durant and Westbrook in the open court? Since the Thunder are capped out, that's just a pipedream, right?
It isn't and here's why: the Thunder could flip Harden (an Arizona State product, remember) to Phoenix in a sign-and-trade deal for Nash and Marcin Gortat. The Thunder have the contracts to make the money work (Kendrick Perkins and Daequan could be thrown in) and the Suns could get their young stud of the future without letting Nash go for nothing.
As unstoppable as the Thunder might be offensively were this to happen, it comes with its veritable risks, too. Nash is 38 and has a problematic back that could end his playing career at any moment. It's also worth wondering how healthy Nash would be without being monitored by the miracle-working Phoenix training staff. But Nash is a virtuoso, once-in-a-lifetime talent. If he can't get Durant the ball where he wants it, no one can. Oh, and Gortat ain't bad.
[h3]5. Is Kendrick Perkins an amnesty candidate?[/h3]
Could a starting center in the NBA Finals really be an amnesty candidate? It's possible. If the Thunder want to afford both Ibaka and Harden when it comes extension time after next season (or whomever they bring in as a free agent, say Nash), they would inevitably be pushed over the luxury tax line, something that the ownership in Oklahoma City might not be ready to do with their modest revenue.
So the logical move to help get under the tax line by moving Perkins' hefty contract that pays him $25 million over the next three seasons. If they can't find a taker for the offensively-limited center, they could shed the contract off the books using the amnesty provision. The Thunder ownership would still have to pay him, but his money would come off the cap, perhaps alleviating the organization of tax penalties.
Unlike most teams, the Thunder have depth at center in case they decide to unload Perkins' deal. Ibaka and Nick Collison could step in as the team's starting center and move Durant to the power forward position. As the league trends toward small-ball lineups, this could be the natural progression anyway.
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#4 on that list seems like a good idea. But I gotta feeling Russ wouldn't like being moved off the 1.
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Originally Posted by DIOR PAINT
Read your post. Only one upset is you
I didn't know saying ***+ somebody is being upset.
You being on my **** about it is tho.
If you say you don't like somebody...I wouldn't give a #%!#.
You came in here saying "$#+% y'all too" so you're mad at everybody. Take a chill pill I don't care about your opinion, I just found your anger funny.
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Originally Posted by RunningFishy
Originally Posted by Law3001
Bosh likes golden showers.
I don't care if LBJ wins 10 rings, I don't like him. Still, he's a physical beast battling baldness. Him and D-Wade are both on HGH and supplements.
In the end though:
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Right because if he liked it there, there is no way he could like it here, or vice versa. And dude's entire Thunder future post is stupid and not even based in fact., KD isn't a FA until after the '16 season. The Thunder offered him and an early opt out but he declined it. Westbrook leaves? Maybe, he did take a paycut of about 18% to stay here, but assuming he does leave, don't most people claim that would make us better?
They will NEVER have a hard time filling that arena. The season ticket waiting list is almost 4,000 names deep with most people trying to get more than 1 (14,000 of the 18,203 are season tickets). People drive in from all over the state. If they were losing again, if nothing else you can flip your tickets for a profit and go see opposing teams. As much as you hatin %!% @%!*#+ want it to happen, it really isn't. Keep spitting that, "there's nothing to do in OKC and nobody will come will they start losing hate," which is counterintuitive to itself as an arguments anyways but with Presti, doesn't look like hard times are on the horizon anytime soon, unless he is going to sign with Seattle too. From 23 wins to the finals in 4 yrs
You guys acting like the Sonics are the first or only team to ever be sold or moved is beyond annoying. I wonder if people in Minneapolis hate L.A because of all those championships the Lakers won, or people in Dallas hate San Antonio because of the Spurs winning so many titles.
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http://www.koco.com/Live-...2/-/x838pwz/-/index.html
Watch the Thunder live when they arrive, should be between 1:30 to 2:00 central. They went ahead and shut down Meridian and set up a stage so they can walk through. I guess public safety gauged how many people were expecting to come out and that's better than the normal way of people just standing up against the fence outside the hangar.
edit: just said 45 minutes
Watch the Thunder live when they arrive, should be between 1:30 to 2:00 central. They went ahead and shut down Meridian and set up a stage so they can walk through. I guess public safety gauged how many people were expecting to come out and that's better than the normal way of people just standing up against the fence outside the hangar.
edit: just said 45 minutes
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Chris Bosh
Dude, Really Bro?
This guy has to be in the closet.
Dude, Really Bro?
This guy has to be in the closet.
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I dont care if he wins 12 titles, I will never give this clown his "props". I hate cocky athletes and really want him to fail. In fact, I wish his career would end early due to a knee injury, thats how much I hate him.
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How anyone cannot show Lebron some respect after in the 3rd quarter when Chalmers was celebrating to the crowd, Bron went to him and told him to STOP and said "NOT YET"...
Man that was CLASSIC!!!
EPIC!
Man that was CLASSIC!!!
EPIC!
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Originally Posted by Law3001
found this on another board
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Those 3 teamed up though...?
Null & Void.
Null & Void.
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bosh does his own stunts.
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Yes selling tickets for profit to see a losing teamOriginally Posted by Scientific Method
Right because if he liked it there, there is no way he could like it here, or vice versa. And dude's entire Thunder future post is stupid and not even based in fact., KD isn't a FA until after the '16 season. The Thunder offered him and an early opt out but he declined it. Westbrook leaves? Maybe, he did take a paycut of about 18% to stay here, but assuming he does leave, don't most people claim that would make us better?
They will NEVER have a hard time filling that arena. The season ticket waiting list is almost 4,000 names deep with most people trying to get more than 1 (14,000 of the 18,203 are season tickets). People drive in from all over the state. If they were losing again, if nothing else you can flip your tickets for a profit and go see opposing teams. As much as you hatin %!% @%!*#+ want it to happen, it really isn't. Keep spitting that, "there's nothing to do in OKC and nobody will come will they start losing hate," which is counterintuitive to itself as an arguments anyways but with Presti, doesn't look like hard times are on the horizon anytime soon, unless he is going to sign with Seattle too. From 23 wins to the finals in 4 yrs
You guys acting like the Sonics are the first or only team to ever be sold or moved is beyond annoying. I wonder if people in Minneapolis hate L.A because of all those championships the Lakers won, or people in Dallas hate San Antonio because of the Spurs winning so many titles.
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http://www.koco.com/Live-...2/-/x838pwz/-/index.html Thunder are about to get off the bus in OKC live
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I despise the Heat, but LeBatard's rant moments ago was legendary.
Best line: ""Mo Cheeks: Is that an assistant coach or what Norris Cole says during a table dance at Tootsie's?"
Best line: ""Mo Cheeks: Is that an assistant coach or what Norris Cole says during a table dance at Tootsie's?"
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Originally Posted by Da Doc03
Originally Posted by Law3001
found this on another board
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Ohhh, I can play this game too.Originally Posted by knightngale
I can't ignore that dude has been choking and should be have been winning rings since 2007. He has been doing these type of performances since then. Remember how he destroyed the pistons?Originally Posted by Al3xis
Sinking in it?
'Right basketball play' all night long and all the !!%++@% way to a triple double and a championship.. Too bad he's done the same in meaningless mid-season games and lost. how terrible. This might be one of the best vindications for LeBron and the legion of us 'stans'. He didn't have to conform to any of that hero *+!%!%%!. We have said every time after - success or failures- , he'll make the right play and that's what we want from him - if it is the 'right' play.. Here we are.
Kevin Durant is better than LeBron. 'Superstars' need to demand guarding the other guy. Meanwhile, guarding Mario Chalmers..... They went head on (or at least LeBron did) 1 vs 2 right? 1a vs 1b?
Well - here is #1. ..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Here is #2.
And I'm not knocking KD, he's on his way. LeBron's just that good right now.
but before we got here this post-season: 'Carmelo has his number, always has.''Danny Granger is in his head.'. 'Paul Pierce has an edge on him mentally.'.
No post game. Still, this year - it was said there was no post game. He won an NBA Finals playing almost exclusively from the post.. How's that 'his game will fall off of a cliff once his athleticism goes' look now?
Wade's team. Wade County. Robin. Pippen. Sidekick. Right. Must suck knowing that LeBron willed that team to the finish-line this year (until the rest decided to show up) right? It's too bad knowing you can't hold on to what you once thought could with that Bron/Wade dynamic to dock him a title(s).
'Wait until the playoffs' - 'Wait until the Finals.' 1 rebound shy (or really, a cramp) away from finishing it off with consecutive triple doubles. Scared of the moment.
Overrated defender. Someone on here called him the most overrated defender in the history of the game. Yet anchored Miami's defense (and rebounding) that featured one player taller than 6'8. Starting since the Indiana series he averaged 11 rebounds a game through the Finals and guarded everyone from Rondo, KD to David West and so on.
LeBron doesn't work hard. Right. He'll forever be known as a quitter. Right. Find me a player who from Christmas to last night that played harder than LeBron James. Doesn't exist.
I'll stop there. You just watched one of the greatest post-season performances from one of the best players you'll ever see. I'm not asking anyone to like him now, I don't expect you to - you don't have to respect him even - but this is what you watched. Deal with it.
He needed Wade and Bosh to win a ring. He needed battier and Mike Miller to sink every open 3 to win. Needed the refs to be on their side. Derek Rose and those other players to blow their knees out
You are dissing Durant and those other players because they don't have that. Durant did not guard Lebron because the refs would not let him. Simple as that. Lebron was able to get away with fouling (game 2) so get out of here with his defense.
I watched Wade drop 25 a game, Bosh dominate on defense, Random heat players going for 20+ points every game and not missing open 3s. Greatest post season performances?. Dude is not even surpassing Dirk's performance from last year.
If Kobe didn't have Shaq he wouldn't have won his first three rings.
If Kobe didn't have Gasol and Artest in game seven against the Celtics he wouldn't have won that series.
If MJ didn't have Paxon draining 3's he wouldn't have won his first championship.
If MJ didn't have Steve Kerr to hit the shot of his life he wouldn't have won his 5th Championship.
So Lebron had a team that finally stepped up when it counted and actually didn't make him do everything himself. And you're saying he didn't have an unbelievable finals performance averaging 28 points 10 rebounds and 7 assists. Okay that makes sense.
I guess Mike Miller should have gotten the MVP.
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Originally Posted by dakid23
Yes selling tickets for profit to see a losing teamOriginally Posted by Scientific Method
Right because if he liked it there, there is no way he could like it here, or vice versa. And dude's entire Thunder future post is stupid and not even based in fact., KD isn't a FA until after the '16 season. The Thunder offered him and an early opt out but he declined it. Westbrook leaves? Maybe, he did take a paycut of about 18% to stay here, but assuming he does leave, don't most people claim that would make us better?
They will NEVER have a hard time filling that arena. The season ticket waiting list is almost 4,000 names deep with most people trying to get more than 1 (14,000 of the 18,203 are season tickets). People drive in from all over the state. If they were losing again, if nothing else you can flip your tickets for a profit and go see opposing teams. As much as you hatin %!% @%!*#+ want it to happen, it really isn't. Keep spitting that, "there's nothing to do in OKC and nobody will come will they start losing hate," which is counterintuitive to itself as an arguments anyways but with Presti, doesn't look like hard times are on the horizon anytime soon, unless he is going to sign with Seattle too. From 23 wins to the finals in 4 yrs
You guys acting like the Sonics are the first or only team to ever be sold or moved is beyond annoying. I wonder if people in Minneapolis hate L.A because of all those championships the Lakers won, or people in Dallas hate San Antonio because of the Spurs winning so many titles.. This is Oklahoma not NYC...
I pay $56 a game (goes up $10 every rd of the postseason) for a 4th row lower level corner. I didn't make game 2 and sold it for $1200. But there's no reason to think they are going to be a losing team anytime soon so it's a moot point.
