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we know Manchin
- has a fetish for bipartisanship
- is a bit of a grandstander
- is in an R +30 state.
all im saying is they should have put something in HR1 that would appeal to these facts about him
This...So what, the Dems are supposed to mind-read Joe Manchin to stop him from constantly blindsiding them?
Senator Joe Manchin (D-W. Va.) made it known over the weekend that he will not support the For The People Act, a voting rights bill that has the support of President Biden and every other Democratic senator… including Senator Joe Manchin, circa 2019.
You original objection is the Dems played it wrong, seemingly by pressuring Manchin. You said you were joking but the racist thing yet you still said this...
This clearly implies you have an issue with how the Dems played this. You went on to say...
But no vote has happened. All Schumer did is say there would be a vote on the Senate bill before this session ends. It ends on the 28th of this month from my understanding. Today with Manchin in attendance he said he would schedule the procedural vote to move it forward. Manchin had weeks upon weeks of heads up in which no one in party leadership pressured him publicly in any way. So what, the Dems are supposed to mind-read Joe Manchin to stop him from constantly blindsiding them?
The Dem leadership, the people writing the bill, didn't try to force Manchin's hand or throw him under the bus. At most all Schumer said it he wanted to bring GOP oppression to the light by having votes on these bills.
That is the goal post-move: Yesterday it was Dems played it wrong because they pressured Manchin. Today is they played it wrong because they didn't write a bill to appeal to Joe Manchin (like they could even predict what that fool wants).
HR.1 has is the House revision of the For the People Act. S.1 is the Senate version, so what is included in HR.1 doesn't even really affect Manchin because whatever end up in S.1 is what is getting passed as the final bill and Manchin has been given tons of time to work with Schumer on the Senate version of the bill.
So now your grievance with the Dems and people mad with Manchin depends on us ignoring how bills are written and passed.
Which member of the Democratic Party's leadership is doing this, who in this discussion advocated for the Dems doing this?
This...
And...
2021 Joe Manchin Disagrees with 2019 Joe Manchin on Voting Rights
The West Virigina senator formally supported the For the People Act in 2019, but now opposes it in 2021, saying it lacks bipartisan support.www.rollingstone.com
Bipartisanship requires two to dance. He is not getting concessions from the GOP. When they use excuses as trivial as "bad amendment because Stacy Abrams" he should know there's nothing he can do to get Republicans to vote on any Democratic-led bill.
We've had to observe for more than a decade how the anti-compromise attitude of the Right went from the rabble-rousers of the base (the opinion makers in their media like Limbaugh) to the leadership. They lambasted Chris Christie for taking Obama's help and thanking him after Sandy. They berated Michelle for wanting American kids to eat right.
Manchin is wasting his and everyone else's time. If he's gonna be on some scumbag **** and flip flop on the same bill he sponsored two years ago, he might as well join the scumbag party. At the moment, his stalling is not helping the Democratic party at all and it is giving plenty of ammo for the "do-nothing Dems" narrative the GOP is going to run with in places where they can't peddle their nativist bull****.
-The Dems leadership has tried to persuade him and has not been mean to him. You issue like I pointed out where they tried to force a vote on him, which didn't happen, and then they issue was they didn't read his mind. You want people are to forget about how the legislative process works to have an issue with the Dems played this.- it's not either or it's both. try to persuade joe manchin and try not to be mean to him lol.
- Joe manchin can be tough to nail down but I don't think it takes a genius to predict that Joe Manchin would not like a bill that contains zero bipartisan fig leafs. that's his whole shtick
- AOC and Jamal Bowmen went on tv and said that stuff about Manchin.
like I said in my original comment, maybe hindsight is 20/20 and there is literally nothing that could be done to improve the chances of voting reform happening.
but like ive said, you gotta do your best. If you think this is the best democrats can do, fine, I think they could have done better.
Whole article is just one big YIKES
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/06/18/mike-bender-book-excerpt-trump-495071
‘I Made Juneteenth Very Famous’: The Inside Story of Trump’s Post-George Floyd Month
Like when the Dems, partially in an effort to appease Manchin, let the GOP have veto power on witnesses on a bipartisan commission into looking into the January 6th insurrection, and most of them still voted no.Joe Manchin behaving in contradictory ways in pursuit of performative bi partisanship?
nobody could have saw that coming.
What Joe Manchin is doing is not good, I never said it was good. its really really bad.
if it were up to me he should kill the fillibuster and make PR, Guam, Virgin Islands, states like yesterday
National Voter ID in exchange for ending partisan gerrymandering probably is the move and when republicans inevitably say no you hope that forces Joe Manchin to realize he has to do something about the filibuster.
Terrible smh, if what was alleged by the anonymous sources is true.
You could’ve stopped here. Suzie as work still has mans upset with her BLM IG square.Like I said, you just wanted to complain about progressives and their influence in the party
don't really know where to put this....
He claimed he was joking about that and the issue was really people on Twitter, and posters in here, so I left that alone. But it plain as day to me that all this is really just a backdoor way to complain about young progressives and their views. Most of what he has posted since the election has just reinforced that belief.You could’ve stopped here. Suzie as work still has mans upset with her BLM IG square.
Never entered that thread and looking at those two pages confirmed it . Digging in his heels as the contrarian to new age progressives is def the perfect way to describe the shtick. But somehow trying to paint Joe Rogan as/ or near the median voter in this country is comical. And another instance of Osh positing that he understands white people better than the rest of us . Osh gone Osh.He claimed he was joking about that and the issue was really people on Twitter, and posters in here, so I left that alone. But it plain as day to me that all this is really just a backdoor way to complain about young progressives and their views. Most of what he has posted since the election has just reinforced that belief.
If you want another data point, go look at the last few pages of the Joe Rogan thread.
Clowndace Owens getting a taste of her medicine:
To his credit, I did legit laugh when he claimed I didn't understand how racist the median white American male voter is, and somehow he does because....check notes....he lived in an all-white area, in Canada.Never entered that thread and looking at those two pages confirmed it . Digging in his heels as the contrarian to new age progressives is def the perfect way to describe the shtick. But somehow trying to paint Joe Rogan as/ or near the median voter in this country is comical. And another instance of Osh positing that he understands white people better than the rest of us . Osh gone Osh.