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Can’t wait to see these folks in the civil war



Lizzy lookin vigorous :pimp:

Covered a small townhall meeting hosted by Seth Moulton (Dem candidate who doesn’t have a chance of winning) here in MA a few days ago, and it’s the first time I’ve encountered Trump supporters...

BRUUUH, it’s just ****ing Seth Moulton. They were rude and kept interrupting Moulton throughout the whole event whenever they could that I just felt BAD for them. I’ve never seen people so desperate over a corrupt individual they thought cared about them. They were persistent about the Ukrainian phone calls and they failed to get a reaction from him.

They made my job easier so I give them that :lol:
 
What usually happens is that Sanders is held to a different standard than other candidates and that causes a defense of Sanders and "an attack" on the other candidate's similar flaws that are ignored.

Personally, I will settle for Warren but she is not Bernie Sanders. She is not as bold and consistent as Sanders. Some here will pull a Sanders bill here and there that they didn't like but Warren and Biden are no better. In fact one of them was a republican at some point while Sanders has maintained his progressive ideology since the civil rights era.
For me integrity is important....especially after 3 years of Trump.

How is Bernie held to a different standard?

I like Bernie and appreciate that he has pushed Dems further left and destroyed the fallacy that Dems with the best shot at winning have to be centrist. He brought a moral language of politics that was lacking and deserves a lot of credit for pushing certain ideas forward. But his “policies” are mostly goals, built around the villains in his narrative. Unlike Elizabeth Warren, who proposes fully fleshed out policy ideas.

Since the 70s Bernie has given the same stump speech about “standing up to” the banks, the insurance companies, and corporations as if those were policies. As if this is just a simple oligarchic plot that once exposed will melt away, instead of a complex tug of war with hundreds of ropes and millions pulling on each end of each rope.

I think he's honest and truly means well but Warren IMO is miles ahead of him as a Presidential candidate. Identity is not more important than policy (or at least it shouldn't be). That's largely how we ended up with a President Trump.
 
Wilson said: "I have some bad news, Republicans. It never gets better. There is no daylight at the end of this tunnel.
"Trump is a suicide bomber, and you've strapped yourselves to him so tightly that when he explodes, you're going out to meet the 72 porn stars of the Trumpian afterlife with him. (Spoiler alert: They all look like Ivanka.)

 
Lizzy lookin vigorous :pimp:

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Lizzy lookin vigorous :pimp:

Covered a small townhall meeting hosted by Seth Moulton (Dem candidate who doesn’t have a chance of winning) here in MA a few days ago, and it’s the first time I’ve encountered Trump supporters...

BRUUUH, it’s just ****ing Seth Moulton. They were rude and kept interrupting Moulton throughout the whole event whenever they could that I just felt BAD for them. I’ve never seen people so desperate over a corrupt individual they thought cared about them. They were persistent about the Ukrainian phone calls and they failed to get a reaction from him.

They made my job easier so I give them that :lol:

HANDSOME.
 




This was first reported on NyBooks. I posted the article in here at the time. Essentially the WaPo confirmed the report. This further refutes any suggestion that Trump cares about corruption in Ukraine, rather than just wanting to investigate his political opponents. It should be noted that Trump's previous actions regarding Manafort were already sufficient to refute the president and Giuliani's claims of caring about corruption.


Take this with more than a few grains of salt.
 
It was only a matter of time...


A recently unearthed letter from 2016 shows how then-Vice President Joe Biden had strong Republican support for his push to reform the public prosecutor’s office in the Ukraine.
Released by Republican Senator Rob Portman (R-Ohio), and noted by CNN this morning, the letter is addressed to former Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko and signed onto by Senator Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.) and then-senator Mark Kirk (R-Ill.). Three Democratic senators also attached their names to the correspondence.
 
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