***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[IATT]

 

[Belgium]

You mean to tell me this biblethumper delusion is medically impossible? I'm shocked.
Just because some blasphemous "doctors" and the heresy known as "science" said so? What do god-hating libs know about conception?

 

[whywesteppin]

What do god-hating libs know about conception?

libs think two men can make a baby

Spoiler

only god can make babies

 

[Belgium]

 

[IATT]

 

[Mark Antony]

Wow. If you're in that 100k combined space it's already tough because you don't qualify for much, but dude wants to make it even tougher. This man is out of touch.

 

[iamdef]

Me and the wife are creepin' up in that territory and it's that crazy middle ground of "You make too much to get help" and "I don't make enough to get out of this debt hole"

 

[Mark Antony]

Yeah it really is a tough spot because both the gov't and private institutions assume that 100k mark is really doing much for a family post taxes. You're one emergency away from losing it all.

 

[iamdef]

We really are, gotta get a firm grip on these bootstraps and make it work tho

 

[Belgium]

You could say that's a little ironic coming from the Foreign Ministry of China. I'm guessing the bill signed on Wednesday didn't go over well.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...on-backing-hong-kong-protesters-idUSKBN1Y12NB
Trump approves legislation backing Hong Kong protesters

 

[RustyShackleford]

-In Pete's plan someone making 100K still gets subsidies. Under 100K gets free tuition, 100-150K gets subsidies depending on where you fall in the income bracket. So someone making 100K still would probably have most of their tuition covered.

-Means testing free tuition is a perfectly fair thing to do, I just feel if Pete wanted to make that attack his cutoffs should be higher.

-Bernie's and Warren's plans have major flaws that Pete could have attacked instead.

Now I know why Bams is so unimpressed by the field. Hillary pulled off the same attack against Bernie much better last time around.

 

[boris]

North Korea warns Japan's Abe may soon see real ballistic missile launch

North Korea's state media on Saturday lashed out at Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe as an "imbecile and political dwarf" for calling Pyongyang's latest test of a large multiple-rocket launcher a ballistic missile launch and warned he may see a real one in the near future.

www.reuters.com

 

[tego calderon el abayarde]

Trump and the repugnicans will love Beijing Bob for being able to vomit so much hypocrisy on twitter.

 

[IATT]

dwalk31

 

[Belgium]

dwalk31

This is the same guy who entered that ridiculous conspiracy chart in the congressional record.
The IC Inspector General already debunked Republicans’ lies about an alleged change in whistleblower rules shortly before the complaint was filed. As usual, Gohmert embarrasses himself. His best defense for Trump is a ridiculous falsehood that was debunked back in late September.

 

[Wargames]

Mayo Peter is still on his bull****.

He ****ed up on this issue. Warren and Bernie should also push him and Biden on loan forgiveness. It’s a big issue with millennials and would hurt both of them.

 

[rexanglorum]

-In Pete's plan someone making 100K still gets subsidies. Under 100K gets free tuition, 100-150K gets subsidies depending on where you fall in the income bracket. So someone making 100K still would probably have most of their tuition covered.

-Means testing free tuition is a perfectly fair thing to do, I just feel if Pete wanted to make that attack his cutoffs should be higher.

-Bernie's and Warren's plans have major flaws that Pete could have attacked instead.

Now I know why Bams is so unimpressed by the field. Hillary pulled off the same attack against Bernie much better last time around.

Means testing is a poison pill.

Universal programs are less susceptible to political attack and sabotage.

Until we can abolish private property and thus social classes,the next best thing is social solidarity where rich people use public goods and pay for them through highly progressive taxes.

 

[gry60]

libs think two men can make a baby

Spoiler

only god can make babies

In defense of the libs, they think "Junior" was a documentary. That's what happens when you are brainwashed by Hollywood.

 

[marikomorose]

Means testing is a poison pill.

Universal programs are less susceptible to political attack and sabotage.

Until we can abolish private property and thus social classes,the next best thing is social solidarity where rich people use public goods and pay for them through highly progressive taxes.

Unless something apocalyptic happens or someone Tyler Durden the banks this isn’t happening in the states.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Means testing is a poison pill.

Universal programs are less susceptible to political attack and sabotage.

Until we can abolish private property and thus social classes,the next best thing is social solidarity where rich people use public goods and pay for them through highly progressive taxes.

America is never going to abolish private property and social classes. Communism is not happening, nor do I think it should be a goal. Mixed economies are the only ones that have been proven to work, and I am all for more public goods, but I think it would be a stupid move to swing from one extreme to another.

You don't like means-testing, and that is entirely fair given America's history of failing to do it properly (them being used to excluding the working poor and lower middle class instead of the affluent). However, it is still an unfair attack against Pete for people to act like he was talking about middle-class families because, under his plan, most middle-class families would pay the same as Warren and Bernie.

Sorry but I am not sold on their being solidarity with the upper classes. Rich people will push back against the universal program too. They will use their money in other ways to distort the system in their favor, as well.

Bernie and Warren's plans are not universal. I have not checked if they fixed it, but if Warren and Sanders still depend on states to opt-in and administrator them, then they will enforce inequality (especially on racial lines) too.

Secondly, there are other unintended consequences with state funding that few are considering.

All things considered, Warren's and Bernie's plan is better IMO, I just staying the logic of Pete's attack against them was fair. But right now, it is just a battle of good but imperfect plans. I believe that if you tax people for something, even affluent people, we should give them a service for those dollars.

 

[kdawg]

There’s some interesting stuff in this survey - https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/a10nw9wbas/econTabReport.pdf

Especially this part:

53% of Republicans rate Trump above Lincoln!

 

[RustyShackleford]

In regards to Universities, if I were running or advising a candidate, I would propose the Federal government charter tuition-free Universities. Universities that could hold tens of thousands of students, high-quality facilities, do research, completely free, food, and housing, focus on educating local students and international students from lower economic status overseas, educate nurses and doctors for free and serve as an economic stimulus for the area. Put them in the regions that could swing voters over to team blue.

If we want to go left on education at the federal, let us try going truly all the way left.

 

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[whywesteppin]

53% of Republicans rate Trump above Lincoln!

Who are those 47%? RINOs smh wow. Just liberals in waiting yikes.