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I'm not skipping anything; I'm well aware of all of the dynamics to which you're alluding.

I'm stating that her own campaign's failures in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania had more of an impact on her losing in 2016 than any of those other dynamics. The only thing that had a bigger role in her loss was the existence of the Electoral College.

soooooooooooooooooooo legit news outlets basically running a hit on her at the very end didn’t have an impact on things?
 
soooooooooooooooooooo legit news outlets basically running a hit on her at the very end didn’t have an impact on things?
Does them doing that right now about Bernie have an impact on things right now?
 
I'm not skipping anything; I'm well aware of all of the dynamics to which you're alluding.

I'm stating that her own campaign's failures in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania had more of an impact on her losing in 2016 than any of those other dynamics. The only thing that had a bigger role in her loss was the existence of the Electoral College.
You feel the same way about Bernie's actions in the primary, right?

You know, the whole ignoring black southern voters until it was too late and giving up after one state.

Arrogance, self-delusion, self sabotage. All apply right?
 
You feel the same way about Bernie's actions in the primary, right?

You know, the whole ignoring black southern voters until it was too late and giving up after one state.

Arrogance, self-delusion, self sabotage. All apply right?
Bernie didn't have the money, campaign apparatus, name recognition, local political networks in place, etc. that Clinton did, so no, I don't think it was the same. Do I think he should have done some thing differently? Sure. But he wasn't the presumptive front-runner with a historic campaign war chest whose political miscalculations cost him. He was an insurgent candidate running on a democratic socialist platform who no one hardly knew when the campaign began. That he was able to do what he did and what he's doing is rather remarkable in my eyes. But he lost the primary fair and square.
 
dwalk31 dwalk31 You need to contact WaPo and put them in touch with your professional black conservative friends ...
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I am not sure Donny gonna make a big improvement over his 16 numbers.

:lol:
 
Bernie didn't have the money, campaign apparatus, name recognition, local political networks in place, etc. that Clinton did, so no, I don't think it was the same. Do I think he should have done some thing differently? Sure. But he wasn't the presumptive front-runner with a historic campaign war chest whose political miscalculations cost him. He was an insurgent candidate running on a democratic socialist platform who no one hardly knew when the campaign began. That he was able to do what he did and what he's doing is rather remarkable in my eyes. But he lost the primary fair and square.
He had the money and time to go talk to mainly white voters all over the Midwest and coasts to build his momentum

So he had the time and money to go talk to the Dems most loyal voters.

He had tons of name recognition and money when he gave up campaigning in the region.

I think the situations are more alike than you would like to admit.
 
Your comment read like a partial excuse for his behavior. I am saying there isn't one.
Bro, I'm saying I wish he would have done some things differently—campaigning much harder in the South being one of them. I agree with you.

Bernie likely figured it was a lost cause after getting steamrolled in SC and likely because of all the other factors I mentioned—lack of money, campaign apparatus, name recognition, local political networks, etc. While I think he should have doubled-down anyway, I'm saying I can understand why he didn't given that he was running an insurgent campaign that was light on all of the things you need for a successful national campaign and time and resources are a different kind of premium. So Bernie abandoned those places because he presumed he was going to lose—a likely outcome but one he should have fought nonetheless, both because it was the right thing to do and because a greater efforts may have proven that common wisdom wrong. Maybe it cost him then, and maybe it will cost him this time around.

On the other hand, Hillary didn't invest the resources needed for proper campaign infrastructure in battleground states because she believed she was going to win. It wasn't that she didn't have the money or relationships at her disposal, it was that she didn't think she needed them. She was wrong, and it cost her.
 
That will be the least of our concerns should things play out in that fashion :lol:

But it will be extremely interesting to see how all of this "unity" talk and castigation of the left wing of the party will play out should Sanders get the nomination.

How does he get the nomination without courting new voters. Warren dropping out will likely lead to a split between him and Biden since she placed herself as a moderate/progressive. I also don’t know if his signal“She’s my VP” plan work because once again people liked her for President, not for his VP. For VP he should get a person of color to help his coalition building.
 
Glenn Greenwald's *** is far from my favorite person in the world, but I am really worried for dude.

The Brazil government seems to making a move on him.
 
Just had a long conversation with a Bernie Bro...we're doomed if he doesn't get the nomination. They not about to vote for anybody else.

Bernie Bros should be put in the "undecided" category if he doesn't win the nomination. They damn sure ain't democrats.

we should come up with a condescending name for all Warren / Biden / Clinton supporters that assumes the entire group aligns with the most extreme and fringe characters w/in the group.



that way, we all can be more efficient at excusing the shortcomings of our favorite politicians by throwing an entire voting blocks under the bus w/ a simple phrase.

:nerd: :nerd:
 
Dems need to start focusing on shared goals, and stop treating fellow Dems as immoral, disloyal, etc. I think the historical record will be pretty clear about who within the Democratic Party started this particular internecine spat but it’s up to the party grownups to respect and vindicate the very real concerns that gave rise to it, and to focus on what CAN be done to address those concerns

Progress is made only by cobbling together legislative majorities and electoral college majorities, not by sudden magic transformations of voters’ values and preferences. It’s ridiculous that we have a major presidential candidate who thinks that he has a way around all that hard work, and that his popularity is soaring

It’s the task of the other candidates to find a way to appeal to that rabid Bernie army. If they don’t, we are in more long term trouble
 
Just had a long conversation with a Bernie Bro...we're doomed if he doesn't get the nomination. They not about to vote for anybody else.

Bernie Bros should be put in the "undecided" category if he doesn't win the nomination. They damn sure ain't democrats.
What percentage of all of Bernie supporters do you feel your sentiments apply to?
 
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