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All Lives Matter in a society
I’ve already explained as such with examples of health care, education system, discriminatory hiring practices in previous posts. You can literally pull for those posts to see. Your argument is that it will be much better. My argument is that it’s truly only a solve for poor whites if you aren’t fighting as hard to dismantle white supremacy these institutions as you are classism.Please tell me specifically how a race-neutral federal living wage jobs guarantee "will have harmful effects on the liberation of Black folks." Please tell me specifically how Medicare for All will do the same.
This feels like a version of induced demand (where expanding the highway inevitably leads to more traffic, so there's always going to be rush hour, no matter how big you make the road).Sad part is we aren’t even as densely populated as a nation as Europe is.
"In opposing capitalism, we become the mortal enemy of every powerful government and corporation of the world, but, together, we can defeat them and form a glorious workers' paradise!"Yea, you're not listening to what I'm saying. Seems like you're set on interpreting them a certain way. Race neutral "socialist-oriented policies" do not account for racism and oppression specifically suffered by Black Americans, thus, I personally do not see them as the same solve that white leftists generally think that they are for the class issues in the United States of America, as even when this class issue will be address, Black Americans will still face the same race based oppression at the hands of white people. Thus, leftists emphasis on these types of policies, attacks against "identity politics", etc., show me that white leftists either don't get it or are complicit in the same white supremacist system that they claim to be so ardently against as they fight against class warfare. You can't be for the liberation of working class/poor people without also specifically considering how these "race neutral" policies still have/will have harmful effects on the liberation of Black folks. It's not sufficient for me.
Why can't the leftist revolution also specifically address this as well? Why is it silent on how even among poor people, Black people are disproportionately affected and that's something that you will consider? Leftists can come up with a million plans under the sun with regards to class warfare, but when it comes to how Black poor people are disparately impacted here because they are also oppressed by racism, it's up to me to come up with "a concrete plan" that I want to see. That's my issue. It's either tone deaf, or willfully ignorant.
They absolutely do - but I think that misleading headline might be indicative of how such a policy would be received. It would be more accurate to say that a race-neutral program such as this would narrow - not close - the racial wealth gap. As the author of this particular piece rightly points out, baby bonds are no substitute for substantive reparations - and attempting to address centuries of racist policies through "race neutral" means is like suggesting that we can end sexism with "class based" affirmative action.
Dems need to pull the trigger on this
Hopefully you recognize that such patience comes at a cost - as does your paranoia.But you’re right you and Rusty and most the people I talk to in here, certainly everyone who posts here regularly and says their politics are left or left leaning, is not using social justice as a cover for neoliberal capitalism. I am just a pretty paranoid person and thank you for bearing with me on that.
That's precisely why echoing reactionary contempt for "identity politics" is so self-defeating.And of course, leftism, that excludes, not only is a bad goal. It is also just a losing praxis especially in a diverse country where racial hierarchy is so bound up in its history. If a white worker will only get down with you if you deny the humanity of black people or indigenous people, you’re building your movement on a foundation of quicksand. As urgently as we need to build labor movements and build them quickly, movements that accommodate white supremacy aren’t going to save us.
He don’t miss.White Socialism pitches itself to people of color, especially Black Americans, through an argument no more nuanced and no less offensive than Trump's infamously racist 2016 appeal: "You're living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58% of your youth is unemployed -- what the hell do you have to lose?" What if you're not poor, and you are well educated, and you are gainfully employed - in contradiction of the racist stereotype? Is there any more condescending follow-up to that than, "you've been duped into voting against your own interests, I know what's best for you"?
White Socialists will ask you to subordinate your liberation behind theirs, because the one form of oppression with which they are most familiar and (not coincidentally) the only one they are capable of experiencing just happens to be the ur-inequality from which all other injustices are descended.
These are people who act as though they've never been part of a coalition before, and don't know how to be present within anything that they can't commandeer and/or colonize.
They give up nothing. They demand everything. You will compromise. You will wait. You will sacrifice. They will get everything they seek, and they will get it now, or they will walk away and actively hope for your situation to grow more dire so as to supply you with a stronger impetus to carry them in the next cycle.
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