***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[boris]

Yes to your first question.

Yes, Cali and other states can do a lot as it relates to criminal justice.

But local officials can't impact federal mandatory minimums, federal ban-the-box legislation for federal contracts, or the federal 3 strike laws. Thats the difference as it relates to the crime bill by Biden.

And to your point, at the state level, California has implemented stricter environmental regulations. However, that isn't stopping the Trump Administration from making threats.


While it's true that local governments can make a difference, the reality is that many people will still suffer the impact of Trump's policies because their local governments can't or won't do anything to protect its citizens.

By your own admission this issue isn't easy to address and you acknowledge that Trump's policies are detrimental to minority communities. The reality is that many will suffer as a direct result of Trump's policies.

So, clearly there is a trade-off with supporting Trump, because his policy decisions can and will affect the black community.

 

[junglejim]

You are conflating federal tax revenue with local property tax revenue.

Why can't local mayors take the property tax revenue from wealthy communities and dedicate it to issues/programs impacting poor communities?

This isn't a trick question.

The answer is that they can.

But, too often, they don't do enough. Instead they dedicate it back to the more wealthy communities and to increasing tourism, etc.

And the leaders of a lot of these large cities with large black populations are Democrats.

Are we talking about communities within the same city or different localities? If we are talking one city taking from another city that cannot be done. If we are talking about communities within the same city many do it by district and redistribute it that way based on amount paid , but nearly all towns and cities across america are not self sufficient and rely on funding from state and federal levels. For instance, in my city, 50% of the city funding for schools comes from property taxes, 40% from state, and 10% from the federal government. If you took away the state and federal funding there would have to be substantial cuts to spending.

And you love to use Democrats, but states with the worst education system are overwhelmingly red states. It’s basically Nevada, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Alabama, Arizona, Louisiana, Idaho at the very bottom. The one thing all these states have in common is a low corporate/individual rate with further makes the problem worse.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Look at this nonsense dwalk31 , the man so is considered a proud support of pedophiles, is peddling.

Thinks that the solution to the economic situation facing liberal black cities are so easy to fix at the local level (it isn't)

Yet ignores that over 90% of the poorest counties in America are mainly white and vote Republican. If it is so easy, why don't they do it.

 

[IATT]

 

[whywesteppin]

I'm confused as to what exactly the White House can do about Twitter.

First, I don't think Twitter deleted any of his tweets. They just put a fact check on them, which is one step up from replying and promoting the reply.

Second, Twitter has a terms of service and can legally enforce them. They regularly do by deleting tweets and removing users.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Twitter has had cause to ban Trump, and the CEO is making a special exception for him

Now he wants to whine and complain that they don't let him peddle conspiracy theories with impunity

And he was not even punished, they just pointed out his lie.

 

[dacomeup]

she makes it difficult for many to start having difficult conversations because of her approach.

Only her approach is the problem. Not dangerous rhetoric. She hates black people, as evidenced by her repeated statements.

 

[junglejim]

Look at this nonsense dwalk31 , the man so is considered a proud support of pedophiles, is peddling.

Thinks that the solution to the economic situation facing liberal black cities are so easy to fix at the local level (it isn't)

Yet ignores that over 90% of the poorest counties in America are mainly white and vote Republican. If it is so easy, why don't they do it.

Thats the point I’m trying to get to. It’s incredibly hard to tell a poor city or town that lacks funding to come up with funding for these initiatives

could more be done at a local level? Who knows, a lot of communities do, but those communities tend to be much better funded.

 

[whywesteppin]

Trump has had cause to ban Trump and the CEO is making a special exception for him

Now he wants to whine and complain that they don't let him peddle conspiracy theories with impunity

And he was not even punished, they just pointed out his lie.

so this is just conservatives muddying the waters again. before it was, "i'm independent, i may or may not vote for trump," or "it's not racist to vote for trump," or "what happened to due process for my pedophiles." Now it's "scotus would obviously side with trump if he deletes twitter, but he is free to make up his mind."

 

[RustyShackleford]

Thats the point I’m trying to get to. It’s incredibly hard to tell a poor city or town that lacks funding to come up with funding for these initiatives

This is why and I so sure in my claim that dwalk31 hates black people

You never see him questioning the moral hygiene of people that live in these poor communities. He saves that for black folk.

Anyway, it is hard as hell for cities to raise funding individually. They can't deficit spend and borrow at the levels the federal government can. They are already cash strapped (and live in states that are). And many live in states that prioritize tax cuts for businesses over properly funding local initiatives. Plus so much money has to be spent to put band aids on situations the state and federal government should be sorting out.

 

[rexanglorum]

Trump should move his online operations to tiktok. I want to see him with a title over head like "why the press are dishonest" then him pointing at the air and bullet points appear like "never reporting the economic winning","claimed i never cared about the Yina virus","claims Obama was born in Hawaii when he was actually born in Chicago"

 

[IATT]

 

[junglejim]

This is why and I so sure in my claim that dwalk31 hates black people

You never see him questioning the moral hygiene of people that live in these poor communities. He saves that for black folk.

Anyway, it is hard as hell for cities to raise funding individually. They can't deficit spend and borrow at the levels the federal government can. They are already cash strapped (and live in states that are). And many live in states that prioritize tax cuts for businesses over properly funding local initiatives. Plus so much money has to be spent to put band aids on situations the state and federal government should be sorting out.

Not to mention arguing about fiscal responsibility of certain localities while voting for most fiscally irresponsible president we have ever had is laughable.

 

[IATT]

 

[RustyShackleford]

We love to see it, don't we, people?

In terms of my family, I got it the worse, my dad doesn't just support Trump, he basically is Trump or at least a gusano Trump. Born with a silver spoon in Nicaragua, went to boarding school in England, owned a construction company so he considers himself "blue collar" and a "forget American." He's retired now and listens to Sebastian Gorka and Mark Levin constantly. Otherwise, he smokes cigars, pontificates about how young people today have no gumption, claims to be the voice of Latinos (because a criollo represents all Latinos) and says that Latinos should support Trump, goes on bootleg Tony Montana rants about lost masculinity in America because of flouride.

In typical boomer fashion, politics is just a diversion so he doesn't mind having a wife who is a Warren supporter. He doesn't mind having three Bernie supporting kids nor one more who unironically supported Marrianne Williamson. he was hoping that Gen Z would be rightwing, he thought that socialism was a millennial pathology but his oldest grandson, cast his first ballot for Bernie this spring.

he does act as a good bellweather for what the GOP base is actually thinking. In summer of 2015, pundits were predicting that Trump would get no traction, never mind the fact that my dad started supporting Trump before Trump even stepped off that golden escalator. My dad hates John McCain (he voted for Obama in 2008 just to spite McCain) so I knew that Trump would have no problem trashing Mccain. My dad immediately rejected fellow white Latinos, Cruz and Rubio, calling them "Crazy preacher" and "globalist neocon," respectively. Seeing the media predict Trump demise and it never happening was hilarious--the material consequences were horrific, of course---but it was interesting seeing how poorly journalists understood how the GOP base actually made its decisions.



I imagine it goes without saying but have you dropped this track on him every time he enters the room?

I haven't heard that song in a minute

We did troll him constantly though. As soon as he pulls up to the cookout/beach party/fete or hops in the car we turn off the soca and dancehall and blast some Sizzla. This is always the go to....


Then he has to endure 10 black dudes with fades, bald heads, and receding hairlines shaking their imaginary dreads and singing that **** word -for-word. It used to make his blood boil.

 

[IATT]

 

[dwalk31]

Are we talking about communities within the same city or different localities? If we are talking one city taking from another city that cannot be done. If we are talking about communities within the same city many do it by district and redistribute it that way based on amount paid , but nearly all towns and cities across america are not self sufficient and rely on funding from state and federal levels. For instance, in my city, 50% of the city funding for schools comes from property taxes, 40% from state, and 10% from the federal government. If you took away the state and federal funding there would have to be substantial cuts to spending.

And you love to use Democrats, but states with the worst education system are overwhelmingly red states. It’s basically Nevada, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Alabama, Arizona, Louisiana, Idaho at the very bottom. The one thing all these states have in common is a low corporate/individual rate with further makes the problem worse.

Im talking about communities within the same cities.

And instead of talking about why the local property taxes don’t trickle down to the poor communities within those cities you flipped to red states.

Why doesn’t the local leadership dedicate more to poor communities?

Why don’t more of those local property taxes trickle down?

Saying they do it based on district/contribution isn’t a requirement...it’s a choice by local leadership.

 

[dwalk31]

Only her approach is the problem. Not dangerous rhetoric. She hates black people, as evidenced by her repeated statements.

I never said only her approach is the problem. But her approach is a problem.

And this is the latest example of a ridiculous take by Candace Owens. Ostensibly to get views.

 

[dwalk31]

So, clearly there is a trade-off with supporting Trump, because his policy decisions can and will affect the black community.

Fair enough.

The trade off is mitigated because of the efforts that can be made on a local level.

 

[dwalk31]

Look at this nonsense dwalk31 , the man so is considered a proud support of pedophiles, is peddling.

Thinks that the solution to the economic situation facing liberal black cities are so easy to fix at the local level (it isn't)

Yet ignores that over 90% of the poorest counties in America are mainly white and vote Republican. If it is so easy, why don't they do it.

1. I didn’t say it was easy to fix (in fact, I said it wasn’t); and
2. I didn’t say it could all be solved locally.

I simply said strides can be made locally.

 

[junglejim]

Im talking about communities within the same cities.

And instead of talking about why the local property taxes don’t trickle down to the poor communities within those cities you flipped to red states.

Why doesn’t the local leadership dedicate more to poor communities?

Why don’t more of those local property taxes trickle down?

Saying they do it based on district/contribution isn’t a requirement...it’s a choice by local leadership.

Well one, you can have a poor red communities/states. There actually happens to be far more poor red communities and states than blue which you kept saying was the issue. I was pointing out that the worst funded communities and school districts are disproportionately in red states and communities throughout the nation. You brought up party affiliation as the issue, I responded to the fallacy.

That being said, I don’t have any statistics to show that the income in these cities doesn’t get reallocated and if it doesn’t, my general guess would be that it would cause a migration to suburbs which would create repressed housing prices and a smaller tax base.

Also, a lot of these cities give out tax abatement a to property builders to develop some of these communities so there is very little property tax money to redistribute even in the wealthier neighborhoods. In the city I live in, new buildings and houses are given a 5-10 year tax abatement to incentivize people to move to the city and create a larger tax base down the line. Unfortunately that leaves very little money to redistribute even if they wanted to. Not to mention even with redistribution it still wouldn’t be properly funded without federal and state tax dollars.

so again, it’s a tax revenue issue at both local, state, and federal levels which is why it’s dumb to tell poor communities to police something when they already can’t fully fund themselves. All it does is make those communities choose between cutting funding to schools and infrastructure to pay for it and good luck with that conversation anywhere in america

 

[gry60]

Yeah, dwalk31 who is considered a proud supporter of pedophiles, is not here for sincere discourse.

Can you add "white supremacist enabler" to his title?

 

[boris]

Fair enough.

The trade off is mitigated because of the efforts that can be made on a local level.

It sounds like you're trying to say that Trump isn't responsible for policy decisions that negatively impact minority communities because local governments, in theory, can try to fight these decisions. Is that the case?

 

[gry60]

Not to mention arguing about fiscal responsibility of certain localities while voting for most fiscally irresponsible president we have ever had is laughable.

He is nothing more than a black curtain: the GOP hides behind people like him to make the nonsense they peddle acceptable. I still wonder why he doesn't have an issue with how Michael Steele got booted out of the RNC after Obama's term. In the mist of a pandemic, the only renowned doctor in Trump's cabinet who happens to be black is nowhere to be seen, but we have seen Mnuchin, Devos, and other unqualified folks, but he wants to play the representation game when he talks about the Democratic party.

At least, all the other black tapdancers are savvy enough to get paid for their act. He should try and get put on too instead of wasting our time.

 

[elpablo21]

Weird times

He's still trash though