The MMA Thread: DON'T ASK 4 STREAMS & NO GIFS- Islam vs Dustin on TONIGHT

[illphillip]

Last few fights for Max....

Pettis: 11 of 14 on leg kicks
Lamas: 25-28 on leg kicks
Stephens: 24-26 on leg kicks

Granted, it didn't help those guys win any. But still surprised Aldo didn't throw ONE. Even after the success on the feet he would have been smart to mix it up in the 2nd and 3rd. Provide different looks.

That could be a coaching issue as well. Either them not telling him or him not listening.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Tomorrow's show with Ariel:

DJ

Gus

Frankie

Hunto

Manuwa

I'm ready to hear what DJ's latest stance is on fighting TJ

You already know Gus is going to come with something to say on Bones 

 

[illphillip]

Weird. UFC 214 wikipedia is showing Lamas/Swanson.

Was on there because I was trying to see what was up with Brian Ortega and he's supposedly back on that card.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Probably someone screwing around on the page

Cub is high key making his case to fight Max

Cub Swanson‏Verified account @CubSwanson  18h18 hours ago
 

I was promised a title fight multiple times and you didn't follow thru on it @danawhite I think it's time

 

[illphillip]

I like Cub. But IMO he really should take and win that Lamas fight.

What he's saying ain't wrong but he's lost to Max, Lamas and Frankie. Hard to justify a shot with a win over Artem and KSB.

Was either in the Top 10 at the time?

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

At this specific moment in time, Cub doesn't deserve a title shot over Frankie IMO

Like you said, Cub isn't wrong in what he's saying. He's deserved a title shot in the past and never got one. He shouldn't have had to fight Frankie back then to be granted a shot

He's pretty much asking for a lifetime achievement title shot and being a company man, which I can understand his perspective, especially if he's been promised a title shot in the past

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Ray Borg seems to have things figured out

“What frustrates me is that if T.J. wins that belt, it’s going to be the same situation as Conor [McGregor] at 145 and 155,” Borg said on the MMA Circus Podcast. “That belt’s going to be held hostage. He’s not gonna be able to make 125 multiple times to defend it. I’m sure. So if he wins it at 125, he wants to do it just to be another champ. And then he moves up to 135, and then what does that do to the 125-pound division? A vacant belt that everyone’s gotta fight for again?”

Luckily for Borg, Mighty Mouse doesn’t seem to interested in a fight with Dillashaw – though he is suspicious that this is a negotiation tactic.

“I think it was a tactic towards the UFC,” Borg said. “If he does fight Dillashaw, he doesn’t want to make the same money he’s making now. I feel like he would settle and make the same money — maybe a little bit more — versus me, but because T.J.’s already a star and [the UFC is] pushing [the Dillashaw fight] on him so bad, I think it was more of a tactic to be like, ‘Alright, I’m fighting Ray Borg, not T.J.’ And then the UFC’s gonna wanna make it happen, so they’re gonna be like, ‘Well, what’s it gonna take, DJ?’ And they’re gonna throw him a little more cash, and that’s what he wants.

Anderson's words for Josie:

“My brother,
You are much bigger than any battle, your story gives us the full assurance that you are a great hero, a great champion, I am and I will always be your fan, brother. What you have most precious goes far beyond. Of course we were all rooting for you and for your victory, but do not cover yourself or let anyone charge you brother, because you are fantastic in what you do and do with love and with your heart, do not forget who you are and how much You make a difference in this sport, you have changed the lives of many people, you are cause for victory and overcoming by the example that has become, always keep your head up God is always in control. You are a great champion, no one can take this story from you, no one; Battle is won and other losses, but never war. You are a giant, did not come to this world by chance you are Ze Aldo. Our Ze Aldo. Do not forget brother, GOD bless you always warrior.

“That is what we are to the end of our days, and those like us my friend, very few.”

 

[g money 87]

When was cub promised a title shot?

I remember against Frankie he was but he got demolished

 

[Cashflow]

Scumbag Dana strikes agon. DJ released a prettt indepth statement about the sequence of events behind the scenes for this TJ situation.

Dana threatening to scrap the entire division

 

[Benny Hinn]

These dudes seriously need to unionize already or Dana gonna keep treating them like a piece of meat

 

[illphillip]

When was cub promised a title shot?

I remember against Frankie he was but he got demolished

He was already the #1 contender when he fought Frankie.

I can't recall fully but I think that was right around the time Conor was getting fast tracked to his title shot by beating Poirier and Siver, neither of whom was even Top 5.

Ironically, Cub had already beaten Poirier, Siver and Stephens, was ranked #1 behind Aldo, yet did not get his title fight. He had to fight a Top 5 guy in Edgar and lost.

 

[chino905]

can't wait to hear DJ go off today on Ariel's show.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Only cub knows when he was promised but I'm assuming he's not lying

When he went on his long streak imo it was good enough to warrant a shot without fighting frankie

It's just how it worked out

Regarding dj and Dana that is an utter **** show. Sad circumstances. Story so far is just from one side but I'm sure it's mostly dana being a prick. If dj has never gotten ppv points that sucks

 

[af1 1982]

I'm sure DJ has PPV points in his contract since he is the champ, but he's only been fighting on free TV.

The new ownership is just trying to make their money back. But they fail to realize not every event can be a mcgregor event. You gotta use the stars to elevate everyone else.

 

[Cashflow]

DJ doesn't get PPV points

Here's his full statement, it's quite the read

For years I have been a company man and kept quiet, accepting fights, doing as they asked, and always remaining humble and grateful for the opportunities provided to me through mixed martial arts. This is how I was raised through the sport. Unfortunately, UFC’s mistreatment and bullying has finally forced me to speak out. I’ve decided to speak out now as I feel like my values and character as a person and a fighter are being tarnished by an organization I’ve done nothing but sweat and bleed for over the last seven years of my life. If it takes me speaking up and encouraging other fighters to ban together to start getting fair treatment, then so be it.

UFC Matchmaker Mick Maynard called and offered the fight vs. Ray Borg. I thought [Sergio] Pettis was a more marketable name and on a longer winning streak. Mick went back to Dana, then came back and told us that I had no choice, it was going to be Ray Borg, not Pettis, and there were no other options. That was the command from Dana and company. This would mean that my only chance at PPV points at flyweight was vs. Ray Borg. I said OK, but it’s not fair to make that my only chance at PPV points, when Cody Garbrandt is saying he wants to come down and fight me at flyweight, which was the fight I wanted. We told Mick that to be fair we would take the fight, but [we] want PPV points for future fights at flyweight. Mick agreed and said it was fair and didn’t see any problem with that situation. Mick spoke to Dana and [UFC matchmaker] Sean Shelby, who then told him to deny giving me any future PPV points for all of my future flyweight fights. Further, I still had to fight Ray Borg and they were giving me no other choice. I accepted the fight with Ray and decided to deal with the unfair situation and despicable treatment by Dana and Sean after I succeed in breaking the consecutive title fight defense record in my next fight vs. Borg. Mick thanked me for accepting the fight, knowing that I was being screwed over and mistreated by Dana and Sean.

I wanted a reason for not being allowed any future PPV points. Sean Shelby called and told us how smaller fighters don’t sell, that UFC can’t make stars of anyone, and that a fight between Cody and I wouldn’t be a sellable fight. We disagreed. I think a fight between Cody and I would be popular if it was even given a small serving of the marketing efforts put into other big fights.

UFC has failed to market and promote me appropriately. Prior to my last fight, where I tied the record for the most consecutive successful title defenses, we waited to re-post UFC’s social media posts about me from their Facebook page. There weren't any posts until a few days into fight week, then, there were a total of two posts. In comparison to others who they promote across their social media platforms, they failed to do their job in promoting me and that monumental event. In my recent conversations, Sean and Dana have confirmed UFC’s lack of desire to put any effort into promoting us.

In addition to the above, I want to address the lack of marketing and promotion of the flyweight division, even though Dana will claim otherwise. I would challenge that the UFC doesn’t even market the division. It’s been three years since the UFC launched three new divisions in two years (2012 to 2014) where they focused most of their marketing efforts to grow female mixed martial arts, which I understand. But, we are now three years post-launch, and the company continues to do the bare minimum in marketing the division well past the launch of these other divisions. As a fighter, I pay very close attention to the amount of marketing that goes into and around my fights and I can tell you that you’d be hard pressed to find much that has been done to promote me outside of TUF 24, which was minimal in comparison to other fights, fighters and shows. With me, the UFC chooses not to market the best fighter in the world and arguably the greatest fighter of all time. I can’t think of any other sports organization in the world that has the best player in the sport where the league, or the organization, doesn’t market that player to their loyal fan base to sell more of their product. Look at my track record for showing up to fights. Look at my track record of finishing fights. Look at my track record of getting fight night bonuses. Ask yourself if you think that if the UFC decided to truly put marketing dollars behind me that they couldn’t sell me or my fights.

Completely unrelated — and after the accepted fight vs. Ray Borg — Cody Garbradt injured his back and TJ Dillashaw said he wanted to fight me. Dana told me he wanted me to fight TJ, which I disagreed with for multiple reasons. First, TJ has never fought at flyweight and is unlikely to make the weight, which would then eliminate the possibility of breaking the title defense record. Second, they have already told me that a fight between Cody and I wouldn’t be sellable, so fighting TJ would have no monetary upside. Third, TJ is not a flyweight or a current champion in another weight class and was KO’ed by the flyweight whom I beat twice already. Last, Ray Borg and I already agreed to the fight, which UFC tyrannically demanded, while denying me any future PPV points.

After telling Dana my reasons, Dana angrily told me that I am fighting TJ, once again, with no other option or say in my career, and against the plans we had previously laid out. He went on further to say that if I didn’t take the fight against TJ, and drop Borg as the opponent, he would get rid of the entire flyweight division. He said, this is for TJ and I’m taking away TJ’s opportunity. That fact that he feels that what I should do in my career is for TJ, tells where his priority lies.

Sorry Dana, my career is about Demetrious Johnson and my goals of fighting the best current flyweights, breaking the record of title defenses, going after the bantamweight champion after I have broken the record, and making money for my family. My career is not about doing for Dana’s buddy, who is neither a bantamweight champion or flyweight contender. We ended by disagreeing and left it there. The next day, Dana went to the media and announced that I was fighting TJ Dillashaw, in an obvious attempt to bully me in the media and tarnish my reputation. I posted a short statement letting people know that I had not agreed to the TJ fight, but had already agreed to fight Ray Borg, as demanded by UFC.

Dana put up an interview stating that it was “insane” that I didn’t want to fight TJ, that “he makes the matches and that is the match he is making,” and, “You tell me why DJ doesn’t want to fight TJ,” trying to make it as though I am scared or ducking TJ Dillashaw.

Mick spoke to me to try to change the offer from Ray to TJ. I told Mick that I thought TJ should fight once in the division first, prove he can make the weight and get a win at that weight, then fight me if I wasn’t already busy with Cody. Mick agreed that it made the most sense.

Later Mick called again, as mandated by Dana, to try to make the fight with TJ and drop Ray. We told him that we didn’t think TJ would make the weight and the fight would be off since it would no longer be a title fight without TJ making weight. Mick said they guaranteed that TJ would make weight. We told him that since it was guaranteed by TJ and UFC was demanding and putting me in a bad circumstance, then it is fair that if TJ didn’t make weight, the fight would be off and I would still get my guarantee, plus TJ’s guaranteed pay. Mick said that Ray would be on the card and he could fill in if TJ didn’t make weight. We said, oh, then which one do I train for? I thought TJ guaranteed he was making weight. Is it a world championship with the No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter on earth, or an amateur tournament where I don’t know who I’m fighting until I get there. Obviously there was no guarantee and they just wanted to push me to do something that they knew wasn’t a good choice for my career. The “guarantees” that they made had nothing to back them up and they were unwilling to give a real guarantee to compensate me for all the damage I put on my body preparing for a fight that may not happen. The fact that they said Ray will be a backup shows the lack of respect they have for what we go through in preparing for a fight at this level.

Mick went back to Dana and Sean, then came back and told us that they don’t agree with my request and I have to fight TJ with no guarantee to make weight or financial incentive if he doesn’t make weight. This is typical of the unfulfilled promises and bullying that has gone on through my UFC career.

In summary:

I agreed to their tyrannical demand to fight Ray Borg and Ray also agreed.

UFC has refused to give me PPV points on any future flyweight bouts, and has never given me any PPV points on previous bouts. My request was fair and the matchmaker in charge of the flyweight and bantamweight division agreed.

I gave UFC fair conditions to change the fight to TJ Dillashaw and they refused.

Dana and Sean have told me that they have no interest in marketing me or the smaller divisions, so when they say that I will make PPV money vs. Dillashaw, they leave out the fact that I have to hit certain numbers of buys, which will not be hit if they fail in marketing me like they have in my previous fights.

If TJ doesn’t make weight, I can’t break the record for the most consecutive title defenses and they have denied paying me in that circumstance.

Dana has made an effort to bully me in the media as well as in private, in order to get what he wants, even though it is not what is best for me or the sport.

If Dana says this will be a big PPV fight for me, and that they will promote it properly, then he can pay for it up front and explain to Ray Borg why he is being taken out of the fight that the UFC matchmaker in charge of the division put him in. Otherwise, it is just another lie and attempt to bully me to do something that Dana wants, but is not the right thing to do for the sport or my career.

UFC’s track record in making an effort to promote my fights, and Dana’s claim that this is a big chance for PPV dollars for me tells a different story than what Dana is stating to the public.

 

[af1 1982]

Yeah I read through it. I meant that he probably gets PPV point, IF he's booked on a PPV. But he isn't. Therefore he never gets that cut of PPV buys that champions usually do

 

[Cashflow]

He explicitly states that he's never been offered PPV points. His tentative bout with Ray Borg was going to be the first time.

 

[af1 1982]

Oh ****

DAMN. How are you the champ and not getting points. The whole point of being the champ is getting money. And a big part of that money is PPV shares

 

[chino905]

Good for DJ to stick up for himself. I think DJ can be a big star if UFC promoted him right, or at all. F Dana's mafia mentality of bullying and pressuring fighters to do what he says.

 

[blackcease]

Damn, dude seems tired of the bulls***. They really coulda just offered DJ a higher guaranteed number and scrapped all the ppv points and media callouts and it woulda been a done deal.

If everything he's saying is true then that's rough, they really don't give a **** about what he wants at all

 

[bware113]

Dana and the UFC powers that be, be on that ********!!!! S/O to DJ, cause that's damn ridiculous! You're going to make him fight a maybe for his recording-breaking title defense??? DJ is 100% correct, tell TJ *** to get to the back of the bus. TJ had 3 defenses and 2 were against the same person, TF makes him so damn special? You'd think the arguably #1 P4P fighter would get a little more respect.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2017/6/5...dnt-throw-many-leg-kicks-max-holloway-ufc-212

Pederneiras talks a bit about Aldo kinda abandoning the game plan so to speak. Seemingly for no reason. I would think he's just as confused as us.


UFC 212 recap:

Erick Silva stoppage was crazy early. He was actively grabbing Medeiros to slow down strikes. He wasn't even taking much dmg.

Borrachinha looks impressive. Not sure what Bamgbose was doing that first rnd. He was literally 100% on everything. He gassed himself so quickly. He had no choice but to wilt after Borra- started feeding him body shots.

Don't care about Vitor's when but good for Dad Bod TRTor.

KK gave up that back so fast. YEESH

Congrats to Max. Sucks to see him beat my all-time favorite FW but those are the breaks. His striking was crisp the whole fight and the kid is tough as nails. Moved past a scary opening round, stayed poised and would go on to take the strap.

Don't think Aldo is washed tho, and think that kind of talk is rather stupid. He literally just ran threw the current #2 challenger Frankie with little issueHowever, it is just absolutely perplexing that the man with arguably the best leg kicks in the world basically threw none to slow Max's pace. In fact his last like 5 fights he hasn't really thrown any. I simply don't get it, as someone else stated he seemed like he was determined to work his jab & boxing, which he also got away from as the fight progressed. No leg kicks. No takedowns.

Sorry this is so long. I always tend to watch/respond to the fights waaay after the live airing.
TLDR; Props to DJ / Congrats to Max / Why no leg kicks???

 

[af1 1982]

DJ is the prototype champion. Through his performances, respect for his opponents, and professionalism.

The whole Mighty Mouse thing is marketable towards kids.

 

[deleted user 7639]

While it's messed up. He's a grown man and needs to stop crying about this bullying bs. Nowadays everyone wants to cry "bullying"
He wants exposure and money/ future ppv points. Why would the ufc guarantee future ppv points with a fighter that hasn't proven to sell?

And it's BEEN known that Dana is an a-hole.

Not too long ago Woodley spoke out about how DJ should be treated better. And DJ didn't acknowledge it. If I'm not mistaken.

 

[chino905]

DJ is the prototype champion. Through his performances, respect for his opponents, and professionalism.

The whole Mighty Mouse thing is marketable towards kids.

This. He also has personality. They could definitely market him towards kids, especially since all he does is play video games all day when he's not training

And this is a bad look for the UFC. If you are treating one of your dominant champions, who has always been a company guy, this way, what message does this send to the other fighters?

 

[shogun]

He's a dominant champion that no one really gives an ish about. We know if you create buzz then the ufc treats you well. He's kinda accepted he wasn't being paid what he deserved for a while. These champions don't speak up unless they feel their wallets are light. Fighters continue to complain but don't do anything about it.