bingoOriginally Posted by RevTheJedi
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
And he chose to help you, and forsake others who pray for his help?
Typical religious egotistical bullcrapme me me me me, God loves ME don't care about the guy down the street
Do you pray? Do you expect whatever you pray for to happen? I don't try to explain it, I've lived a very blessed life or maybe I'm just lucky. You can make your case for why believing in god is illogical or non-sensical; I couldnt be happier with where I am in life, and I think my faith has something to do with that. Good thing I'm a Poli Sci major, I dont think I have the brains for Philosophy.
Originally Posted by sillyputty
I'm not trying to change anyones mind.
But don't come at me with utterly stupid arguments that don't hold their own weight.
"i believe there is a magic man in the sky that tells me what to do"
You want to be respected for THAT?
No.
Just ...No.
e-fame?
Originally Posted by sillyputty
I'm not trying to change anyones mind.
But don't come at me with utterly stupid arguments that don't hold their own weight.
"i believe there is a magic man in the sky that tells me what to do"
You want to be respected for THAT?
No.
Just ...No.
Originally Posted by sillyputty
e-fame?....please.
On top of that, I actually DONT understand why anyone BELIEVES anything they can't prove or provide evidence for when they use that same proof and evidence to justify EVERY other thing they do in their life.
Yet when religion comes up, they're free from criticism somehow.
Nope.
I will protect your right to believe what you want to believe but I will NOT respect you for it nor will I agree with you.
Tell me. Why do you believe in a god?
Originally Posted by DecemberLove
Originally Posted by sillyputty
I'm not trying to change anyones mind.
But don't come at me with utterly stupid arguments that don't hold their own weight.
"i believe there is a magic man in the sky that tells me what to do"
You want to be respected for THAT?
No.
Just ...No.
From this response alone I can tell you're not very bright.
This country was founded on the basis of God. The Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Pledge of Allegiance all contain God in it. In hearings you vow on a Bible and swear to God that you'll tell the truth. You don't respect our founding fathers? Our president? Get out of here with that, I don't think you know what the meaning of respect is. It's people like you who push the border of extremism that cause such things as racism and xenophobia. I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm not even asking you to be open-minded. I'm asking you to be respectful of the beliefs of others, you bigot.
Originally Posted by DecemberLove
Originally Posted by sillyputty
I'm not trying to change anyones mind.
But don't come at me with utterly stupid arguments that don't hold their own weight.
"i believe there is a magic man in the sky that tells me what to do"
You want to be respected for THAT?
No.
Just ...No.
From this response alone I can tell you're not very bright.
This country was founded on the basis of God. The Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Pledge of Allegiance all contain God in it. In hearings you vow on a Bible and swear to God that you'll tell the truth. You don't respect our founding fathers? Our president? Get out of here with that, I don't think you know what the meaning of respect is. It's people like you who push the border of extremism that cause such things as racism and xenophobia. I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm not even asking you to be open-minded. I'm asking you to be respectful of the beliefs of others, you bigot.
Do you know anything about the founders of this country? Some of them believed in god, many of them didn't and specifically left "god" out all things government. The government was intended to be secular.
Let me help you out there:
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli (June 7, 1797). Article 11 states:
"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."
From a letter to Charles Cushing (October 19, 1756):
"Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, 'this would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.'"
From a letter to Thomas Jefferson:
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
Additional quotes from John Adams:
"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"
"The Doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."
"...Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."
Thomas Jefferson (the third President of the United States)
Jefferson's interpretation of the first amendment in a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association (January 1, 1802):
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."
From Jefferson's biography:
"...an amendment was proposed by inserting the words, 'Jesus Christ...the holy author of our religion,' which was rejected 'By a great majority in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindoo and the Infidel of every denomination.'"
Jefferson's "The Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom":
"Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, more than on our opinions in physics and geometry....The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
From Thomas Jefferson's Bible:
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
Jefferson's Notes on Virginia:
"Reason and persuasion are the only practicable instruments. To make way for these free inquiry must be indulged; how can we wish others to indulge it while we refuse ourselves? But every state, says an inquisitor, has established some religion. No two, say I, have established the same. Is this a proof of the infallibility of establishments?"
Additional quotes from Thomas Jefferson:
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."
"They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition of their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the alter of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."
"In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty; he is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."
"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear....Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences. If it end in a belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue on the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of others which it will procure for you."
"Christianity...[has become] the most perverted system that ever shone on man....Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."
"...that our civil rights have no dependence on religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics and geometry."
James Madison (the fourth President of the United States)
Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments:
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise....During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution."
Additional quote from James Madison:
"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."
On top of that you're stupid to even assert that because you THINK it was founded on religion that it SHOULD STILL BE centered around religion. Because we used to do something does not mean we should keep doing it. I guess slavery was a good idea too?
Tell me where in the constitution is says "god"
Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli please tell me what it says and who wrote it.
Stupid christians thinking the world belongs to them when islam is the fastest growing religion. NO SIR.
On top of that... God was added to the money in 1953 and to the pledge in 1954 to combat anti-communist sentiment. It was a propaganda move.
The constitution says freedom FROM religion.
I completely disagree with swearing on a bible. Its the equivalent of swearing on a bagel to me. People also have the option to affirm or swear.
Did you know there are SEVEN STATES in this country in which legally you can't own office if you don't believe in a god? Tell me where is the bigotry there?
If i'm stupid then you're flippin ******ed. You do not even know basic constitutionality or american history worth a damn. Miss me with the bigot talk.
This is what you don't understand.
RESPECT is EARNED.
You have lost mine.
I don't have to respect your hocus pocus mumbo jumbo pseudoscientific jargon.
I will protect your right to believe what you want, but I will not and am not obligated to respect you for your beliefs. Thats something I WONT do.
Not always true. Some species have a three or more genders.
Originally Posted by sillyputty
Originally Posted by RevTheJedi
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
And he chose to help you, and forsake others who pray for his help?
Typical religious egotistical bullcrapme me me me me, God loves ME don't care about the guy down the street
Do you pray? Do you expect whatever you pray for to happen? I don't try to explain it, I've lived a very blessed life or maybe I'm just lucky. You can make your case for why believing in god is illogical or non-sensical; I couldnt be happier with where I am in life, and I think my faith has something to do with that. Good thing I'm a Poli Sci major, I dont think I have the brains for Philosophy.
Being happy doesn't mean someone
A. Created you
B. Said you have to worship it
C. said you have to acknowledge it
D. answers prayers.
