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⭐ OFFICIAL 2020-2021 NBA Off-Season Thread: Olympics begin 7/23; NBA Draft 7/29⭐
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- Jan 2, 2010
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Yup. Legend.
He is playing great though. I just can't get too excited about it because we've this movie many times. Playing with 2 other superstars should calm his nerves in the playoffs.
lawdog1
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- Sep 14, 2000
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True, but there’s also a group on Twitter that makes it seem like this was basketball in the 80s -
- Jul 18, 2012
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ok manThe amount of people here and on social media mad for calling him Lamelo and saying he cant be called Melo.
Melo is his nickname man a shortened version of their full name. it’s not like a magic johnson moniker type of thing.
- Mar 16, 2010
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- Sep 12, 2014
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Rockets current state further proves Harden should at the very least be a 2x MVP
- Jan 2, 2010
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If they win the chip Harden will be 2nd best player. Which is the role some people said might be best for him. We've seen as your best player he gets too reckless and will just disappear. Everybody can't handle that pressure.
- Mar 24, 2001
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Jimmy rejecting the all star game is kinda believable after he benched himself a few years ago
Even when you're that terrible across the board?
- Mar 31, 2011
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Yes, that is the point lol.
We have been said he’s this generation’s Karl Malone. Malone probably gets talked about much differently if he got to play on the Bulls alongside Jordan instead of Stockton unwilling to shoot.
- Sep 5, 2010
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Gahdamn the players are on Lloyd Pierce.
Just some quotes from the article:
But the real headliner event took place when Pierce and Trae Young met privately to discuss their upcoming third year together. At that point, anyone and everyone around the Hawks organization was well aware the relationship between these two key figures was strained.
But in the end — after old tensions between Pierce and Young resurfaced, other players grew frustrated with Pierce’s style and owner Tony Ressler’s desperate desire to make the playoffs added so much pressure to the situation — it was not to be. Those plans Pierce and Young had hatched in Southern California officially fell short Monday when the underperforming Hawks (14-20) announced that Pierce had been relieved of his duties.
As this season progressed, the goodwill that Pierce and Young had re-established would dissipate, and the friction between them would return. It became apparent that Young and Pierce were not going to be a match that was sustainable for long-term success.
But Young was hardly alone here. Sources say player support beyond Young was dwindling at the end, with several sharing their desire for a change with management recently. Still, the difficult dynamic between Young and Pierce was an undeniable factor in Pierce’s downfall and a tone-setter of sorts for the group at large.
Cam Reddish was among those, sources said, who also had an issue with Pierce’s coaching. Sources said Reddish felt like he was being “picked on” behind the scenes when it came to mistakes the second-year player made. There are a few players on the Hawks’ roster who feel like Reddish’s potential is higher than anyone on the roster but that Pierce’s input was stunting his development.
The lack of trust in Pierce, from numerous players, started in his first season. For The Athletic’s anonymous NBA player poll in April 2019, when one Hawks player was asked which coach in the NBA would you not want to play for, he responded with, “Are we allowed to say the one we play for?”
There wasn’t a specific event that led to Pierce losing the locker room but rather a collection of small moments that built up since his first season in Atlanta and finally combusted in the team’s first season with expectations under him.
“There’s no telling when he lost it,” one source close to the team said. “He didn’t have support from many people. It came down to him not being able to manage egos. That’s what did him in, especially these young guys. It’s tough.”
As far as on-court decisions go, players routinely criticized Pierce’s in-game management strategy over the past three seasons. One of the most notable moments of last season came in a December 2019 game in Miami. The Hawks led by six in the final minute when Pierce substituted Young out for DeAndre’ Bembry for defensive purposes. After Miami cut Atlanta’s lead down to three, Pierce failed to call a timeout to reinsert Young on offense. Bembry ended up getting his shot blocked, the Heat tied the game and it eventually went into overtime where the Hawks lost.
Just a few weeks after that Miami game, in Cleveland, Young was frustrated once again with a decision Pierce made in a late-game situation. Pierce had Young inbound the ball with the hope that he’d get it right back to put up a clean shot attempt at the end of the game. Instead, the Cavaliers denied him a good look, and the Hawks lost. After the game, Young was asked if he preferred being the inbounds passer, and he tersely responded with, “It’s not anybody else’s way, but the coach’s way.”
Over the past few weeks, players started to wonder if Pierce had resigned to the inevitability of his situation and was going to go out his way. As the same story played out in end-of-game situations, sources say Hawks owner Ressler grew incensed with his team losing winnable games in the same manner.
But in the end — after old tensions between Pierce and Young resurfaced, other players grew frustrated with Pierce’s style and owner Tony Ressler’s desperate desire to make the playoffs added so much pressure to the situation — it was not to be. Those plans Pierce and Young had hatched in Southern California officially fell short Monday when the underperforming Hawks (14-20) announced that Pierce had been relieved of his duties.
As this season progressed, the goodwill that Pierce and Young had re-established would dissipate, and the friction between them would return. It became apparent that Young and Pierce were not going to be a match that was sustainable for long-term success.
But Young was hardly alone here. Sources say player support beyond Young was dwindling at the end, with several sharing their desire for a change with management recently. Still, the difficult dynamic between Young and Pierce was an undeniable factor in Pierce’s downfall and a tone-setter of sorts for the group at large.
Cam Reddish was among those, sources said, who also had an issue with Pierce’s coaching. Sources said Reddish felt like he was being “picked on” behind the scenes when it came to mistakes the second-year player made. There are a few players on the Hawks’ roster who feel like Reddish’s potential is higher than anyone on the roster but that Pierce’s input was stunting his development.
The lack of trust in Pierce, from numerous players, started in his first season. For The Athletic’s anonymous NBA player poll in April 2019, when one Hawks player was asked which coach in the NBA would you not want to play for, he responded with, “Are we allowed to say the one we play for?”
There wasn’t a specific event that led to Pierce losing the locker room but rather a collection of small moments that built up since his first season in Atlanta and finally combusted in the team’s first season with expectations under him.
“There’s no telling when he lost it,” one source close to the team said. “He didn’t have support from many people. It came down to him not being able to manage egos. That’s what did him in, especially these young guys. It’s tough.”
As far as on-court decisions go, players routinely criticized Pierce’s in-game management strategy over the past three seasons. One of the most notable moments of last season came in a December 2019 game in Miami. The Hawks led by six in the final minute when Pierce substituted Young out for DeAndre’ Bembry for defensive purposes. After Miami cut Atlanta’s lead down to three, Pierce failed to call a timeout to reinsert Young on offense. Bembry ended up getting his shot blocked, the Heat tied the game and it eventually went into overtime where the Hawks lost.
Just a few weeks after that Miami game, in Cleveland, Young was frustrated once again with a decision Pierce made in a late-game situation. Pierce had Young inbound the ball with the hope that he’d get it right back to put up a clean shot attempt at the end of the game. Instead, the Cavaliers denied him a good look, and the Hawks lost. After the game, Young was asked if he preferred being the inbounds passer, and he tersely responded with, “It’s not anybody else’s way, but the coach’s way.”
Over the past few weeks, players started to wonder if Pierce had resigned to the inevitability of his situation and was going to go out his way. As the same story played out in end-of-game situations, sources say Hawks owner Ressler grew incensed with his team losing winnable games in the same manner.
aepps20
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It was like that and was why I became a fan. Did you know see money take it to da hole and dominate?
- Jan 2, 2010
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Aight. Cuz at one point it was people putting him in MJ or Kobe talk which he was never that.
- Jun 24, 2013
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I mean if Trae attempted to play better defense lol
LP definitely wasn’t perfect but too many of the younger players assume **** is easy just because they were a top pick. Just look at Bagley for example
LP definitely wasn’t perfect but too many of the younger players assume **** is easy just because they were a top pick. Just look at Bagley for example
- Mar 24, 2001
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What if he played with Jordan when he was 22..?
- Jul 27, 2013
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Some 'Net's would be better off without Harden' slowly turning into 'this is the best role for him'
- Apr 1, 2005
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Nets harden isn’t beggin for calls ... here for it
- Sep 18, 2003
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Nah man cam reddish can’t be the one telling me I’m singling him out
- Mar 16, 2010
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He doesn't need them when they're average 120 a game regardless
- Aug 11, 2012
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2017 is the year he was robbed. He got it In 2018. Outside of that, no.
The rockets had good coaching and the right pieces around him in his time there. He was great, and they were too. No need to revisit it.
- Sep 5, 2010
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The Hawks couldn't deal with LP's critiques, and now they gotta deal with Nate McMillian.
- Sep 12, 2014
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He should have better standing amongst his peers and all-time greats.
Other players that won b2b MVPs but only 2
TD
Curry
Nash
Giannis
- Feb 8, 2009
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We really need to get Shaq off of TV as an NBA analyst. Not only is he bad at his job but being on TV multiple times per week gives him a platform to spew his awful opinions.
The worst part about this is that it's so hypocritical. Shaq was highly sensitive when he was a player and made sure to fire back at anyone who criticized him. He was incredibly insecure but now that he's retired he takes every opportunity to criticize younger players under the guise of trying to help them.
On top of that what the "advice" Shaq is offering isn't even constructive criticism, he's just crapping on younger players. How is telling young players that they're soft and that they suck helpful or constructive?
- Sep 5, 2010
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I like to think Shaq is just playing a character like Skip or SAS at this point.
- Mar 16, 2010
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I just think he's legit petty
Same man that has gone on decade spanning crusades against dudes who dared become anointed with his old nicknames
- Sep 6, 2012
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Stockton was not unwilling to shoot man he made the right play whether it was for him or a teammate. I see the overall point your making but I wouldnt say he was unwilling to shoot cause that was not at all the case. Heres him hitting game winners on two fellow hall of famers. Not to mention moneys ankles
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