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Originally Published: May 18, 2009

[h2]Ward passes first stiff test of career[/h2]

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Tom Casino/Showtime Despite landing some heavy leather, Edison Miranda never came close to stopping Andre Ward.

A roundup of the past week's notable boxing results from around the world:
Super middleweight
Andre Ward W12 Edison Miranda
Scores: 119-109 (twice), 116-112​
Records: Ward, 19-0, 12 KOs; Miranda, 32-4, 28 KOs

Rafael's remark: After moving fairly slowly in his five years as a pro, there was a chorus of folks asking for Ward to face a dangerous opponent. We wanted to see him tested. Finally, he took a major step up against Miranda, a former title challenger who had lost a decision in a controversial loss to Arthur Abraham and had also been knocked out by Abraham in a rematch and by Kelly Pavlik before Pavlik won the world title. But Miranda, a tremendous puncher, also owns a victory against contender Allan Green. The result of Ward's big test? A terrific performance for the 2004 U.S. Olympic gold medalist, the only American to win boxing gold in the past three Olympics.

The 25-year-old was fighting in his hometown for the first time as a professional and an excited crowd of 7,818 turned out to see the "ShoBox" main event in person. After the crowd-pleasing and dominant performance Ward turned in, you have to figure they'll be back. Ward promoter Dan Goossen said he was so pleased with the ticket sales that he'll be bringing Ward back to Oakland as quickly as he can. What was there not to like from him? Although Ward suffered a cut over his left eye in the first round when Miranda head butted him (it borderline looked like it was on purpose), Ward remained calm. His cutman, Jacob "Stitch" Duran, is one of the best in the business and did a terrific job of keeping the cut closed for most of the fight. Ward did his job, as well, firing shots with both hands, keeping a tight defense, using his speed and lateral movement and roughing up Colombia's Miranda, 28, throughout the fight with a steady diet of flush shots. Ward also easily switched from an orthodox stance to southpaw stance, which kept Miranda off balance.

While Ward mixed up his punches and showed a diverse arsenal, Miranda was reduced to looking for a single big right hand. You do have to give Miranda credit for taking as many punches as he did. He looked like he was in tremendous shape and he was able to go the distance. However, the relentless trash talker could come nowhere close to delivering on his prefight promise of a 10th-round knockdown.

The win positions Ward for possible title bouts against either Carl Froch or Karoly Balzsay. Ward certainly will have a good chance to win either bout if and when one of them happens. Although Ward voiced his displeasure with his performance after the fight, he's being too hard on himself. He gets an A.
Junior lightweight
John Molina TKO2 Frankie Archuleta
Records: Molina, 17-0, 13 KOs; Archuleta, 25-7-1, 14 KOs

Rafael's remark: Molina is a crowd-pleasing prospect who likes to mix it up. Archuleta, a seasoned veteran at 33, was fighting for only the fourth time since 2005 (while falling to 1-3 in that stretch) and never stood a chance. Although the first round was competitive, it was obvious Archuleta was going to be outgunned. He looked two divisions smaller than the powerful 26-year-old. Still, Archuleta was the best opponent Molina has faced so far since turning pro in March 2006. Working with trainer Joe Goossen for the third consecutive fight, Molina let his punches flow while trying to keep a tight defense. In the second round, he unloaded about 10 unanswered punches and Archuleta went down under the heavy fire. Although he made it to his feet, he clearly didn't want to go on and referee David Mendoza stopped it at 2:06, which was a smart move.
Super middleweight
Shawn Estrada TKO1 Cory Jones
Records: Estrada, 6-0, 6 KOs; Jones, 5-6, 1 KO

Rafael's remark: A 2008 U.S. Olympian, Estrada, 24, made quick work of Jones, 31, aggressively going after him and getting rid of him in a mere 91 seconds. Estrada scored two knockdowns, the second of which nearly knocked Jones through the ropes as he was on his way down for the second time. Referee Jon Schorle didn't even bother to count, calling off the bout as Jones was clearly in no condition to continue. Promoter Dan Goossen is keeping the rugged Estrada busy, as this was his fourth fight since late March. Jones lost for the third time in his past four bouts. What was most impressive about Estrada's victory was that he dusted Jones quicker than two other blue-chip prospects who have faced him recently. Shawn Porter outpointed Jones over four rounds on Feb. 6 and Russian Olympian Matvey Korobov took him out in the fourth round on Feb. 21.
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Junior lightweight
Brandon Rios KO5 Oscar Meza
Records: Rios, 20-0-1, 14 KOs; Meza, 18-3, 16 KOs

Rafael's remark: In the main event of the Azteca America-televised card, Rios, 23, looked good putting Meza away with a shot to the gut 24 seconds into the fifth round. Meza, who had taken the fight on only a few days' notice when Jose Antonio Izquierdo fell out, dropped to his knees and took referee Tony Weeks' full count while trying to regain his wind. A 2004 U.S. national amateur champion and Olympic alternate, Rios is one of the rising prospects in the Top Rank and manager Cameron Dunkin stable. He showed a diverse arsenal, including landing some good uppercuts, while also shaking off some hard shots in the entertaining, action fight.
Featherweight
Miguel Angel "Mikey" Garcia TKO3 Anthony Napunyi
Records: Garcia, 16-0, 13 KOs; Napunyi, 10-3, 5 KOs

Rafael's remark: Garcia is a 21-year-old, Top Rank-promoted, Cameron Dunkin-managed prospect who fights beyond his years. With his brother, former junior lightweight titleholder Robert Garcia, in his corner, Garcia had his way with Napunyi. Although Napunyi never went down, Garcia was landing a lot of punches, especially during a flurry in the third round that was enough for referee Robert Byrd, who called it off at 1:04.
Junior middleweight
Vanes Martirosyan TKO1 Harrison Cuello
Records: Martirosyan, 24-0, 15 KOs; Cuello, 19-7-2, 13 KOs

Rafael's remark: Martirosyan, 23, was a 2004 U.S. Olympian who is developing nicely with Top Rank, the best promotional company when it comes to taking a fighter from 0-0 and building him into an attraction and champion. He took out the 30-year-old Cuello in just 2:16, hammering him with ease until referee Jay Nady stepped in. Cuello, who took the fight on just a few days' notice when Juan Astorga pulled out, lost his second fight in a row. Martirosyan trained during the early part of his career with Freddie Roach in California, and had moved to Houston to stay with relatives while working with Ronnie Shields for recent fights. But Martirosyan moved back home to California and has resumed training with Roach, who, according to Martirosyan, is teaching him to "throw a lot of punches and with a lot of power. Freddie is teaching me to be more explosive, like Manny Pacquiao." It apparently worked. The victory paves the way for Martirosyan to face his stiffest test as a pro when he meets Andrey Tsurkan on June 27 on the televised undercard of Top Rank's Juan Manuel Lopez-headlined pay-per-view card in Atlantic City, N.J.
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Cruiserweight
Giacobbe Fragomeni D12 Krzysztof Wlodarczyk
Retains a cruiserweight title
Scores: 116-112 Fragomeni, 114-113 Wlodarczyk, 114-114
Records: Fragomeni, 26-1-1, 10 KOs; Wlodarczyk, 41-2-1, 31 KOs

Rafael's remark: In October, Italy's Fragomeni outpointed Rudolf Kraj for one of the belts that David Haye vacated when he decided to move up to heavyweight. After multiple postponements, Fragomeni, 39, finally faced former titleholder Wlodarczyk, 27, in a mandatory defense and barely retained the belt with a split draw. Wlodarczyk, whose only other defeat was a 2007 majority decision to Steve Cunningham in a title bout, dropped the more aggressive Fragomeni with a solid left to the head in the ninth round. Wlodarczyk appeared to knock him down again moments later with a clean right hand. However, he also followed that punch by hitting Fragomeni while he was down on the canvas and referee Ian John-Lewis didn't rule a knockdown. Instead, he warned Wlodarczyk for hitting him while he was down and gave Fragomeni valuable extra recovery time in a bit of a controversy that certainly helped the hometown fighter. There was plenty of solid, two-way action in the fight and both guys showed they really wanted to win it. Fragomeni's only defeat came to Haye via ninth-round knockout in a 2006 European championship bout.
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Cruiserweight
Victor Emilio Ramirez W12 Ali Ismailov
Retains a cruiserweight title
Scores: 116-112, 115-113 Ramirez, 115-113 Ismailov
Records: Ramirez, 15-1, 12 KOs; Ismailov, 15-2-1, 11 KOs

Rafael's remark: Ramirez, 25, returned home to Argentina for the first defense of the vacant title he won in January against heavily favored Alexander Alexeev in Germany. Ramirez stopped Alexeev in the ninth round. He had a more difficult time with Ismailov, 35, an obscure hand-picked challenger born in Ukraine and living in Azerbaijan. It was a fast-paced fight early on before fatigue seemed to set in during the second half of the bout. Ismailov was holding and warned for the infraction by the referee in a fight that was a bit messy in the late rounds, which Ramirez pulled out, at least according to two of the judges. At some point, Ramirez will have to face interim titlist Ola Afolabi, but neither fighter nor the WBO seem in any hurry to order that match.
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Heavyweight
Kevin Johnson TKO6 Devin Vargas
Records: Johnson, 22-0-1, 9 KOs; Vargas, 17-1, 7 KOs

Rafael's remark: Talk about a rarity -- two undefeated American heavyweight prospects facing each other. Well, it happened when Monte Barrett suffered a cut in training and Vargas, 27, the captain of the 2004 U.S. Olympic boxing team, took the "Friday Night Fights" main event on nine days' notice against Johnson, 29. You have to respect both guys for their willingness to face each other, especially under the circumstances, but it didn't work out so well for Vargas, who was taking an even bigger step up in competition than Johnson. Johnson looked outstanding, taking it to Vargas from the outset, dropping him twice and finishing him to fulfill his prediction of a knockout victory. Johnson, who has a tremendous jab he can use as a weapon, dominated. At the end of the third round, he dropped Vargas for the first time in his career (pro or amateur) when he landed five left hands and a big right hand. Vargas, who was bleeding from his nose, went down to one knee. Two solid left hands in the final minute of the fifth round dumped Vargas to his backside, after which he complained to his corner that he couldn't hear out of his right ear. It turned out that Vargas had suffered a perforated ear drum, but still he fought on. Johnson was hammering him in the sixth round and when Vargas was rocked yet again and on visibly wobbly legs, his corner threw in the towel, forcing referee Earl Morton to stop it at 2:23. Johnson has always talked a big game, but hasn't always been so crowd pleasing. In this fight, he talked and was entertaining. At this point, there is no reason why Johnson shouldn't get a chance in a more meaningful fight on an HBO or Showtime level. He just might be the best American heavyweight.
Lightweight
Jorge Teron W10 Aldo Valtierra
Scores: 99-91, 97-93, 96-94
Records: Teron, 23-1-1, 15 KOs; Valtierra, 25-11,13 KOs

Rafael's remark: Teron said he had an off night when he met Valtierra on Dec. 4 and lost a 10-round majority decision. Maybe Teron was right because he had no problems in the rematch, taking the unanimous decision. The 96-94 scorecard is certainly questionable. Regardless, Teron, a 23-year-old prospect from New York, won with ease against the 38-year-old journeyman from Mexico. Teron, in his first fight with promoter Star Boxing, was quicker and sharper than Valtierra, who dropped to 1-4 with a no contest in his past six fights, the lone win, of course, coming in the first meeting with Teron.
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Welterweight
Ricardo Torres TKO10 Raul Pinzon
Records: Torres, 33-2, 29 KOs; Pinzon, 16-3, 15 KOs

Rafael's remark: Torres, the murderous puncher from Colombia, returned to action for the first time since he was relieved of his junior welterweight title by Kendall Holt in their incredible 61-second slugfest 10 months ago. In that one, Torres dropped Holt twice before Holt knocked him cold in the round of the year. Moving up to welterweight for what was supposed to be a somewhat easy comeback fight in front of the hometown fans, Torres had anything but an easy night against Pinzon, a last-minute substitute. Pinzon dropped Torres in the fourth and seventh rounds before Torres mounted a dramatic rally to knock down Pinzon three times in the last round for the victory.
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I swear this man Torres goes down at least once in EVERY god damn fight. Cotto, Arnaoutis, Holt 1, Holt 2, Pinzon. Dude is a combination of a weak jaw andFelix Trinidad balance issues. Dude can be hurt, but rarely stays hurt. He better hit the gym and get back to 140 though, because he doesn't have a PRAYERof hanging at 147.

Anyways enough of these damn colombians. I can't wait for FNF this week. I'm hoping Rigondeaux can live up to the hype because he was scary good inthe ams. He's a bit old now, but if he still has it and they move him quickly enough, he might have the chance to make some noise.
 
I haven't seen this much hype/excitement around a prospect for a while...maybe not since Amir Khan's name started getting around.
 
PBF vs. JMM ticket info for those interested
LAS VEGAS - Floyd "Money" Mayweather has returned to the sport of boxing and will put his undefeated record on the line when he faces the dangerous and highly touted five-time world champion Juan Manuel "Dinamita" Marquez in MAYWEATHER vs. MARQUEZ "Number One/Numero Uno" Saturday, July 18 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.

Tickets priced at $1,000, $750, $600, $300 and $150, not including applicable service charges, go on sale Friday, May 22 at 10 a.m. PT. Ticket sales at $1,000, $750, $600 and $300 are limited to 10 per person and ticket sales at $150 are limited to two (2) per person, with a total ticket limit of 10 per person. To charge by phone with a major credit card, call Ticketmaster at (800)745-3000. Tickets also are available for purchase at www.mgmgrand.com or www.ticketmaster.com.
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Mayweather Jr, Mayweather Sr Reunite For Marquez Fight
Posted by: Mark Vester on 05-18-2009.


The father/son combination of unbeaten Floyd Mayweather Jr. and well-known trainer Floyd Mayweather Sr. - is back. The two have been feuding for several years but managed to make peace in the last few months. Mayweather Sr. taught his son the sport but after a falling out which took place nearly a decade ago, he began training other fighters like Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Chad Dawson. Uncle Roger Mayeather is the head trainer for Floyd Jr.

Speaking with the Los Angeles Times, FLoyd Jr. revealed that his father has been helping him in camp since the May 2 bout between Pacquiao and Hatton. Floyd Jr. wants to give his dad plenty of support during a very tough time. The elder Mayweather lost between 25 to 30 pounds due to sarcoidosis, a disease that limits lung capacity.

"My dad's been working with me every day since the Hatton fight," Mayweather Jr. said. "We chill out, shoot pool, talk about different fighters."

As far as the Hatton loss, Floyd Jr. says the Manchester fighter did not listen to his father.

"I know what my father teaches," Mayweather Jr. said of the Hatton debacle. "That's not how my father trains a fighter. He'll say, 'Use the . . . jab, man.' I guess a fighter can't be taught new things. Hatton rushes in, he didn't follow the game plan."

Send News Tips and Comments To Mark Vester @ [email protected]





 
Originally Posted by Proshares

I haven't seen this much hype/excitement around a prospect for a while...maybe not since Amir Khan's name started getting around.

I feel its warranted. I mean, any dude who has more than one person call him the greatest amateur fighter EVER is worth some serious talk.
 
Originally Posted by TheProfessorOfPugilism

Originally Posted by Proshares

I haven't seen this much hype/excitement around a prospect for a while...maybe not since Amir Khan's name started getting around.

I feel its warranted. I mean, any dude who has more than one person call him the greatest amateur fighter EVER is worth some serious talk.
Oh no I didn't mean to sound like I think it's not warranted, I just haven't heard THIS much praise about an amateur going pro in along time. Now that I think about it Amir Khan didn't even have this kind of hype/buzz around him.
 
Originally Posted by Proshares

Originally Posted by TheProfessorOfPugilism

Originally Posted by Proshares

I haven't seen this much hype/excitement around a prospect for a while...maybe not since Amir Khan's name started getting around.

I feel its warranted. I mean, any dude who has more than one person call him the greatest amateur fighter EVER is worth some serious talk.
Oh no I didn't mean to sound like I think it's not warranted, I just haven't heard THIS much praise about an amateur going pro in a long time. Now that I think about it Amir Khan didn't even have this kind of hype/buzz around him.
Don't trip, i understood what you were saying. I was just commenting to let people know that the hype is deserved and people should check himout. Kind of a pre-emptive strike against people who would see he's "all hype", you understand me?
 
Originally Posted by TheProfessorOfPugilism

Originally Posted by Proshares

Originally Posted by TheProfessorOfPugilism

Originally Posted by Proshares

I haven't seen this much hype/excitement around a prospect for a while...maybe not since Amir Khan's name started getting around.

I feel its warranted. I mean, any dude who has more than one person call him the greatest amateur fighter EVER is worth some serious talk.
Oh no I didn't mean to sound like I think it's not warranted, I just haven't heard THIS much praise about an amateur going pro in a long time. Now that I think about it Amir Khan didn't even have this kind of hype/buzz around him.
Don't trip, i understood what you were saying. I was just commenting to let people know that the hype is deserved and people should check him out. Kind of a pre-emptive strike against people who would see he's "all hype", you understand me?


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Mike they have videos of actual fights on that site? When I click on boxing videos it just takes me to old interviews.
 
Originally Posted by Proshares

Mike they have videos of actual fights on that site? When I click on boxing videos it just takes me to old interviews.
Yea they do. Did you go to the video trading block forum? I just watched Mayweather Sr. get his #!* handed to him by Sugar Ray.
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Sr. was game though.

By the way, is PBF taking a different approach to this fight? I watched the interview and he's not really saying anything disrespectful about Marquez.
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I was hoping for more trash talk.
 
Damn, how they get JMM to agree on 147. What was JMMs fight night weight against Diaz?

I will say this, if JMM somehow beats PBF it easily trumps Pac's wins over DLH and Hatton.

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Mosley?: Those hoping for a Mayweather-Shane Mosley fight shouldn't hold their breaths. Mayweather doesn't seem to be interested.

Mayweather said he wanted to fight the Los Angeles-area product around the time of the Hernandez bout, when Mosley held a lightweight title, but Mosley wasn't interested. Now, it seems to be too late. He said he can make more money against other opponents.

"Now that he has five losses and his career is coming to an end, he wants to fight," Mayweather said. "No disrespect to him but Mosley can only sell tickets in L.A., in California. I'm not saying he's not a good fighter; he is. When you're talking pay-per-view, though, he doesn't do tremendous numbers."

Mayweather-Mosley wouldn't do as well as Mayweather-Marquez in the United States?

"Absolutely not," he said.

Leonard Ellerbe, Mayweather's advisor, then chimed in: "When has Shane Mosley ever been the "A" side of a promotion? That's all I have to say."
Nobody trying to fight Mosley. He might as well fight Paul Williams.
 
and the fight will be at 147 not 144
NEW YORK -- When Floyd Mayweather Jr. walked away from boxing, he was widely considered the pound-for-pound king, the mythical mantle bestowed upon the best in the game.

Now that he's back, at least one person believes Mayweather still is: lightweight champ Juan Manuel Marquez, whom he'll face in his highly anticipated return.

"I'm expecting the best Floyd Mayweather ever," Marquez said Tuesday, at a news conference on the 80th floor of the Empire State Building to help launch the fight. "I'm putting in my mind that he never retired, so I'm expecting the best."

The two will meet July 18 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, where tickets are scheduled to go on sale Friday. They'll fight at a catch-weight of about 143 pounds, eight more than Marquez has ever fought and the lightest that Mayweather has been since 2005.

Neither believes the weight will make much difference.

Mayweather already has been in the gym a couple of months, ever since giving his adviser Leonard Ellerbe the green light to screen potential opponents. Mayweather claims he's close to 147 pounds and pronounced himself fit after a run through Central Park on Tuesday morning.

Marquez has been packing on muscle while training in the mountains of central Mexico.

He said the brutal regimen, which has included several weeks of lifting boulders, has given him confidence that he'll be the one to finally dethrone the king.

"I always prepare myself to win," Marquez said quietly, sitting a few feet from where the outgoing Mayweather held court with dozens of reporters. "He's not a machine, he's a human being, and human beings can be beat."

Mayweather, the former five-division champ, hasn't stepped in the ring since knocking out Ricky Hatton in December 2007, when he was still basking in the aura of his transcending victory over Oscar De La Hoya. He'd cashed in his "Pretty Boy" nickname for one more befitting his agenda -- "Money" -- and was showing up everywhere from "Dancing with the Stars" to WrestleMania.

That's when Mayweather abruptly called it quits, turning his attention to show business.

Mayweather's year away from the ring opened the door for Manny Pacquiao to step through, and the charismatic Filipino icon did it in destructive fashion. Where Mayweather needed 12 rounds to beat De La Hoya, Pacquiao needed eight; where the flamboyant welterweight needed 10 rounds to stop Hatton, the smaller Pacquiao needed only two earlier this month.

Now, much to Mayweather's chagrin, many consider Pacquiao the best.

"I respect him for what he does, I respect him in the fight game, but I've never been beat," Mayweather said of Pacquiao, who's lost three times, the last in 2005. "Nobody has the antidote for Floyd Mayweather."

While most presume the two will eventually settle the pound-for-pound dispute in the ring, Mayweather (39-0, 25 KOs) must first deal with Marquez, his hand-picked opponent.

Marquez (50-4-1, 37 KOs) lost a slugfest by close split-decision to Pacquiao in 2008, a bout that Mayweather and many others believe the Mexican fighter won. Five years ago, Marquez rallied from three first-round knockdowns to earn a bloody draw with Pacquiao in their first bout.

Marquez's stunning knockout of Joel Casamayor last year and his brutal knockout of Juan Diaz in February entrenched him as one of the most electrifying fighters available. More importantly, they produced an opponent that intrigued Mayweather enough to return to the ring.

"Marquez is a warrior," he said, conferring rare praise upon one of his foes. "He's a hell of a fighter. I don't have to come here and bad-mouth anybody."

Mayweather paused for a moment, then added: "They say to be the best, you got to beat the best. I think they got Marquez in the dark and somebody has to give him a shot. Why not me?"
 
Proshares they just posted this on The Ring site...

[h1]Marquez's disadvantages are increasing[/h1]At least the fighters appeared to agree on a catch weight of 144 pounds, as it was explained by Marquez's camp when the fight was announced on May 2.

However, now, even that equalizer is gone. The sides have agreed in the end that this will be a welterweight fight, meaning they can weigh as much as 147 pounds. That's exactly what Mayweather weighed in his last fight, against Ricky Hatton in December 2007.
 
Payback: Mayweather said Marquez deserved this opportunity in part because another fighter with Mexican blood once gave him a chance.

Mayweather was 21 years old and 17-0 when Mexican-American Genaro Hernandez, one of the most-polished boxers of his time, agreed to risk his WBC junior lightweight title against the hot young prospect. It was Mayweather's first shot at a major belt, which he won when an overmatched Hernandez retired after the eighth round.

Mayweather became the first member of the 1996 U.S. Olympic team to win a world title.

"Genaro Hernandez gave me a big chance; I have to give (Marquez) a chance," he said. "And I want to say that I know Genaro is sick. I want him to know I'm here if he needs anything. We all just want him to get well."

Hernandez has been battling cancer but is in the early stages of remission.

Thats soem stand up %++@ rite there

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im telling u in the fight VS diaz on fight night JMM was 147 from the HBO weight in before the fight, thats why i never thought it was a big deal for him to bepushing for a fight at a lower weight
 
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