2012 Toyota GT-86 / SCION FRS/ BRZ - FRS $24,930 MSRP

Originally Posted by RyanNYC

you guys screaming no power. like the single cam civics had power, its going to be a modern toy car. people are just going to use them as drift cars engine swaps ect.

plus that's enough decent power for a graduating high school kid lol.

i just see it as new age play around car. be ready for these things to be boosted out the booty, people putting down crazy numbers the whole nine to come
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QFTMFT!!!!
 
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@ that torque level. I guess HKS and the lot will have a lot of fun shooting out parts for these puppies.
 
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@ that torque level. I guess HKS and the lot will have a lot of fun shooting out parts for these puppies.
 
I'd drive the BRZ as a daily.
These cars are gonna be EVERYWHERE though. I can already imagine the craze once these drop in the US. It'll be interesting to see how people mod them. I've seen the pics of the white one that they lowered w/springs, and i must say it looks very clean.

Most seem happy with the 25k price tag though, but am I the only one that thinks it's a little high for what's actually being bought? I thought it'd be in the 20k-!*@ range. But maybe that's just cause of the perception that Scion has(very affordable, popular/trendy economy cars)
 
I'd drive the BRZ as a daily.
These cars are gonna be EVERYWHERE though. I can already imagine the craze once these drop in the US. It'll be interesting to see how people mod them. I've seen the pics of the white one that they lowered w/springs, and i must say it looks very clean.

Most seem happy with the 25k price tag though, but am I the only one that thinks it's a little high for what's actually being bought? I thought it'd be in the 20k-!*@ range. But maybe that's just cause of the perception that Scion has(very affordable, popular/trendy economy cars)
 
Originally Posted by TH0MAS CR0WN

I'd drive the BRZ as a daily.
These cars are gonna be EVERYWHERE though. I can already imagine the craze once these drop in the US. It'll be interesting to see how people mod them. I've seen the pics of the white one that they lowered w/springs, and i must say it looks very clean.

Most seem happy with the 25k price tag though, but am I the only one that thinks it's a little high for what's actually being bought? I thought it'd be in the 20k-!*@ range. But maybe that's just cause of the perception that Scion has(very affordable, popular/trendy economy cars)
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You might be surprised. Toyota only plans/expect to sell 10k this year and 20k next. Subaru is only having around 6k for the US iirc. I mean those numbers are good but it isn't Camry/Corolla that sells 3-4 times that a month and Prius' sells 30k units a month. 
 
Originally Posted by TH0MAS CR0WN

I'd drive the BRZ as a daily.
These cars are gonna be EVERYWHERE though. I can already imagine the craze once these drop in the US. It'll be interesting to see how people mod them. I've seen the pics of the white one that they lowered w/springs, and i must say it looks very clean.

Most seem happy with the 25k price tag though, but am I the only one that thinks it's a little high for what's actually being bought? I thought it'd be in the 20k-!*@ range. But maybe that's just cause of the perception that Scion has(very affordable, popular/trendy economy cars)
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You might be surprised. Toyota only plans/expect to sell 10k this year and 20k next. Subaru is only having around 6k for the US iirc. I mean those numbers are good but it isn't Camry/Corolla that sells 3-4 times that a month and Prius' sells 30k units a month. 
 
Originally Posted by RFX45

It's working already, it'll probably be a bad idea to downsize the 370Z though, it's better to just release a newer, smaller version.

Nissan renews talk of sub-370Z sports car to take on Subaru BRZ

Subaru BRZ and Scion FR-S got you excited? Well, it appears the new Toyobaru twins might be moving the needle at other automakers, too. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the pair may have challenged Nissan to once again reinvestigate its on-again, off-again plans for an affordable, lightweight sports coupe of its own. Nissan's Chief Creative Officer, Shiro Nakamura, says his employer is looking at downsizing its Z sports car, though it isn't clear if that would mean the Japanese automaker would field two separate Z models or just replace the current 370Z with a smaller, less costly model.

"I much prefer smaller sports car," Nakamura tells the Herald. "It is the time to look at that. With 370Z, we still don't know next generation will have a larger or smaller engine."

If Nissan were to reduce the size of the 370's powerplant, it would be the first time that model's displacement has dropped. Since the Z gets its model designation from the size of its engine (3.7 liter V6), Nissan could have a problem marketing a smaller Z called the 300Z, since the last time a new 300Z was sold in the States was way back in 1986.

More likely would be the revival of long-forgotten nameplates like 200SX or 240SX. Either would almost certainly be direct competition for the Subaru and Scion rear-drive coupes.

Nakamura reminded fans that even if the 370Z loses some cubic inches, Nissan will still have the young but already legendary GT-R. When asked if Nissan would be willing to support three sports cars, Nakamura says, "If there is a market, we will do it."
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eww...just make a new car and leave da 370z alone....
 
Originally Posted by RFX45

It's working already, it'll probably be a bad idea to downsize the 370Z though, it's better to just release a newer, smaller version.

Nissan renews talk of sub-370Z sports car to take on Subaru BRZ

Subaru BRZ and Scion FR-S got you excited? Well, it appears the new Toyobaru twins might be moving the needle at other automakers, too. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the pair may have challenged Nissan to once again reinvestigate its on-again, off-again plans for an affordable, lightweight sports coupe of its own. Nissan's Chief Creative Officer, Shiro Nakamura, says his employer is looking at downsizing its Z sports car, though it isn't clear if that would mean the Japanese automaker would field two separate Z models or just replace the current 370Z with a smaller, less costly model.

"I much prefer smaller sports car," Nakamura tells the Herald. "It is the time to look at that. With 370Z, we still don't know next generation will have a larger or smaller engine."

If Nissan were to reduce the size of the 370's powerplant, it would be the first time that model's displacement has dropped. Since the Z gets its model designation from the size of its engine (3.7 liter V6), Nissan could have a problem marketing a smaller Z called the 300Z, since the last time a new 300Z was sold in the States was way back in 1986.

More likely would be the revival of long-forgotten nameplates like 200SX or 240SX. Either would almost certainly be direct competition for the Subaru and Scion rear-drive coupes.

Nakamura reminded fans that even if the 370Z loses some cubic inches, Nissan will still have the young but already legendary GT-R. When asked if Nissan would be willing to support three sports cars, Nakamura says, "If there is a market, we will do it."
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eww...just make a new car and leave da 370z alone....
 
A Japanese motoring show, complete with titles in comic fonts, put three racing pilots behind the wheels of the Mazda MX-5 Miata, Subaru BRZ and Scion FR-S (Toyota 86, in this case) for three laps of the 2.1-mile East Road Course at Twin Ring Motegi. Of course the segment producers know that putting the 167-horsepower roadster against the 200-hp coupes isn't exactly fair, so they gave the Mazda a small head start of about three grid positions.

Ex-sports car racer Takayuki Kino****a handles the Mazda, former open-wheel pilot Naoki Hattori drives the BRZ, and former Le Mans-class winner Keiichi Tsuchiya gets fast and loose in the FR-S. The drivers offer copious on-track commentary, but it's in Japanese. That said, watching the MX-5 try to stay in front and watching Tsuchiya start drifting are universal gearhead languages.
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A Japanese motoring show, complete with titles in comic fonts, put three racing pilots behind the wheels of the Mazda MX-5 Miata, Subaru BRZ and Scion FR-S (Toyota 86, in this case) for three laps of the 2.1-mile East Road Course at Twin Ring Motegi. Of course the segment producers know that putting the 167-horsepower roadster against the 200-hp coupes isn't exactly fair, so they gave the Mazda a small head start of about three grid positions.

Ex-sports car racer Takayuki Kino****a handles the Mazda, former open-wheel pilot Naoki Hattori drives the BRZ, and former Le Mans-class winner Keiichi Tsuchiya gets fast and loose in the FR-S. The drivers offer copious on-track commentary, but it's in Japanese. That said, watching the MX-5 try to stay in front and watching Tsuchiya start drifting are universal gearhead languages.
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In quick terms, what is the exact difference between the Subi and Scion version besides naming and little interior/exterior details?
 
In quick terms, what is the exact difference between the Subi and Scion version besides naming and little interior/exterior details?
 
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