2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

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Eric Bledsoe and the Phoenix Suns have been ballin :smokin

They're playing some AWESOME team basketball. They're essentially a whole team of college seniors with how old the majority of them are and it shows. They look like a well coached college team. Shoutout to Coach Hornacek.


Also shoutout to the Morris twins especially Markieff. I have to remind myself not to give up on some of these young dudes so early, a lot of players people laughed at or overlooked will be household names in a few years.

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I'd like to personally thank the T'Wolves and their fans (JPZ, HOOD, etc) for that loss last night.
 
The difference between Mayo and Beal isn't athleticism. It's that Beal is an 'elite' shooter and Mayo is just a 'good' shooter. You can teach ballhandling, you can't teach elite shooting ability.


Beal compares pretty favorably to Ray Allen. He came into the league at 19 and put up comparable stats to rookie Ray Allen who was 21.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bealbr01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html


Allen was never particularly prolific at drawing fouls on a Kobe, Wade, Harden level. But he was an elite shooter, somebody who defenses had to run off the line all the time. Beal is only 20 and already developing that reputation as a guy you cannot leave on the three-point line. Putting it on the floor will develop naturally, ballhandling ability is one of the easiest traits to develop. Kevin Durant, Paul George, and many more all were terrible ballhandlers coming into the league and now are nearing elite status in creating off the dribble.

That metric for comparing Ray and Beal as rookies is a moot point because if we are talking who compares to who as a rookie, Mayo blows both Beal and Allen out of the water and we both know Mayo Nor Beal is no Ray Allen as of right now.

But back to your point, Ballhandling ability is one of the hardest traits to develop, at least in my opinion. It's one of those things that by the time you reach the NBA, I feel like in most cases that's what you are as far has your handle. The thing that improves most out of players once they hit the NBA is shooting accuracy. All the other improvements one sees out of Pros are due more to opportunity than actual improvement. Most players if you look at what they do best in the NBA, did the exact same thing the same way on the college level. The only thing that changes is opportunity.

I also can't call Beal an Elite shooter yet. He's literally 6 games into his sophomore season and his rookie year wasn't even that spectacular with respect to "Elite" shooting. Beal hasn't done enough to warrant an "Elite" shooter tag and I feel that there isn't a big difference between the two as of right now. I would love for Beal to start becoming better off the bounce, but I honestly don't know if it'll happen and that to me is when Beal will become not only an elite shooter, but an elite 2 guard. The difference right now between the two is Mayo's ability off the bounce, which isn't spectacular, but it is better than beal's. Everything else they are about the same, with OJ just being a tad bit better. But Beal is 20 years of age so in theory, he shouldn't be a finished product, but we'll see.
Ballhandling is not one of the hardest traits to develop. All it takes is focus and effort. There are random dudes in the park who have insane handles simply because they were willing to practice dribbling every day. Like I said, Kevin Durant and Paul George had terrible handles when they came into the league, now KD is out here breaking dudes off at 6'11. Go watch videos of KD's goofy slow *** at Texas or his rookie year, then tell me with a straight face NBA players can't improve their handle.

The hardest trait to develop is bball IQ and awareness, which is what will always keep OJ Mayo from being an elite player. Beal came into the league with that trait, it's something you can't teach.


If you don't think Beal is an elite shooter, I guess you haven't seen him play enough. Every scout that has seen him, opposing coaches, players, commentators, etc rave about his pure shooting ability. If you take out his first two months when he was adjusting to the NBA game, Beal is shooting over 40% from three for his career which is an elite mark. And as you said yourself, players generally improve their shooting accuracy the longer they're in the league. So if he's already shooting 40%+ at age 20, he's on pace to be an unstoppable outside shooter in a few years.. which is what everyone who saw him play in HS, Florida, draft workouts, etc predicted. It's not some hidden secret that he has elite shooting ability, people already knew that and he's proving them right.



I don't know if you're just stanning OJ Mayo or what lol. There is zero comparison between him and Beal. Or Klay Thompson. Or Ben McLemore. Elite shooting ability and bball IQ are the two most important traits for a shooting guard prospect.
 
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Speaking of Phoenix...what was Indy's return for Miles Plumlee?

Beal (at the same age as Mayo) is probably considered to have a higher upside. This kid is going to be a special talent in the league.
 
Ballhandling is not one of the hardest traits to develop. All it takes is focus and effort. There are random dudes in the park who have insane handles simply because they were willing to practice dribbling every day.
Tell that to Rudy Gay and O.J. Mayo. :lol
 
Ballhandling is not one of the hardest traits to develop. All it takes is focus and effort. There are random dudes in the park who have insane handles simply because they were willing to practice dribbling every day.
Tell that to Rudy Gay and O.J. Mayo. :lol
"All it takes is focus and effort"

If a player isn't willing to put the work in (as Durant, George, Kobe, etc have done) that's on them. Some guys don't have what it takes mentally.
 
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I feel like Rubio is going forward at some point have to change that jumper. Jim Pete, one of the best commentators, repeatedly said Rubio jumper really didn't have a arc to his shot. Really the only thing holding us back from being that surprise team in the West.
 
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I feel like Rubio is going forward at some point have to change that jumper. Jim Pete, one of the best commentators, repeatedly said Rubio jumper really didn't have a arc to his shot. Really the only thing holding us back from being that surprise team in the West.
Even before the jumper, if he can learn to finish drives to the basket consistently he will be an elite player.  He's so good at passing in that space that giving him a little more respect from the defense will be deadly.
 
 
"All it takes is focus and effort"

If a player isn't willing to put the work in (as Durant, George, Kobe, etc have done) that's on them. Some guys don't have what it takes mentally.

:lol Because 3 elite talents and athletes were able to improve their handle, you think it's easy? It's easy to improve your handles a little bit, it's difficult to improve your handle to a good NBA level. It's not about focus or effort. These guys have been putting effort into improving their whole lives. OJ Mayo has plateaued a while back and he's one of the hardest workers out there. It's funny how you think these guys can go from only line-drive dribbles to CP3 just by "focus and effort." You really underestimate how much these guys work on their game.
 
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I still remember OKB talmbout he was gonna be Randy Foye 2.0 :lol

Yup, big miss on my part.

I just thought turnover prone mediocre shooting combo gaurd who wouldn't be able to make the transition to the 1, below average PER in the SEC.

you learn that.

-I didn't give him enough credit for playing out of position at kentucky
- a 19 year old guy at 6'0 feet, 200 pounds 5% body fat I under estimated his level of athleticism.
-if you are going to take a risk, take a risk on elite athletes,
 
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5-2 :smokin

I feel like Rubio is going forward at some point have to change that jumper. Jim Pete, one of the best commentators, repeatedly said Rubio jumper really didn't have a arc to his shot. Really the only thing holding us back from being that surprise team in the West.

Bro you know how hard it is too change a jumper, be happy with the player he is now

He can become more consistent with the jumper he has now and thats all you can hope for. Once your that far in your career its almost impossible to change it

Mini Bron is about to CASH OUT this summer.

Max deal?
 
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Lol at this Kevin Martin talk after just a couple games...... O wait, y'all though Lin was better than Jordan for a week too
 
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