2013 College Football Thread (Realer than Real Deal Holyfield -->S/O Craftsy)

Jon Gruden is definitely getting back into coaching this next season.

No one knows his preference of college or pros

Gotta believe the Eagles and Browns are going to come calling.

Gruden has contacted several of his coaching buddies about possibly joining a staff he would put together .

so stay tuned.
 
worldbeefreeg said:
Errrmm...I don't smoke anymore so wrong.
Not defending Mathieu at all. Point to where I defended him explicitly? The kid went to rehab for weed for christ sake and still got busted, he's obviously a tard for that. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the American system in general and its sad to see another black kid possibly have his future ended by something that is pretty harmless and 75 percent of college students do.
And yes some people like to drink/smoke and hang around girls sometimes. I know you would know nothing of such activities though.
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I don't get why you're making excuses for him. He had guidelines to abide by and wasn't able to do it b/c of his addiction. HE controls his future. Stop putting the blame on the system. There are millions of people who go through day-to-day life w/o having the same hiccups as this fool. He put himself around people who didn't have his best interest in mind and now you'll probably watch him return punts in Canada until he's arrested again. I got little-to-no sympathy for him.
 
worldbeefreeg said:
jhawk826 said:
Always the smokers who defend fellow smokers. Mathieu ****** up. It wasn't the weed that ended his career. It was inability to follow simple rules. He was given multiple chances and proved that he was incapable to doing so. Why the pity?
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Errrmm...I don't smoke anymore so wrong.

Not defending Mathieu at all. Point to where I defended him explicitly? The kid went to rehab for weed for christ sake and still got busted, he's obviously a tard for that. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the American system in general and its sad to see another black kid possibly have his future ended by something that is pretty harmless and 75 percent of college students do.

And yes some people like to drink/smoke and hang around girls sometimes. I know you would know nothing of such activities though.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I'm staying away from the personal attacks because this thread is actually civil.

You made an excuse for idiocy. Tyrann has shown to be an idiot on multiple occasions. Instead of leaving Baton Rouge, he stayed around the element that caused him to get in trouble and what happened? He got in trouble again. No sympathy for him. He's a moron.

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ShannonsCrooks said:
You mormon by chance?
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As a matter of fact, yes. However, my reasons for not caring for alcohol are not religious. By that I mean, I won't say, "Don't drink alcohol because God said not to". Who am I to tell who what to do?

I just believe that alcohol and drugs don't enhance a person's personality or character or improve their quality of life. You and others may choose to believe differently, and by all means, you're entitled to that and I completely respect your point of view, even if I disagree with it.
 
JJs07 said:
I don't get why you're making excuses for him. He had guidelines to abide by and wasn't able to do it b/c of his addiction. HE controls his future. Stop putting the blame on the system. There are millions of people who go through day-to-day life w/o having the same hiccups as this fool. He put himself around people who didn't have his best interest in mind and now you'll probably watch him return punts in Canada until he's arrested again. I got little-to-no sympathy for him.
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Once again where did I make an excuse for him. He was in given an opportunity that few are ever presented with and blew it. But you love going on your little "everybody else gets through the same stuff routines" which echoes of some douchey libertarian ethos and is why Duece called you a House word (which I don't agree with or condone).

Did you grow up without parents? Did you grow up with your father in jail? He isn't an adult for christ sake, he is twenty years old? You know how many more privileged kids I've seen hiccup and **** up only to get rescued by their privilege? He doesn't have that opportunity because of where he comes from. George Bush spent his life doing coke and getting plastered, generally not giving a **** but because of who he was....all that could be washed away in a moment.

God forbid you feel sympathetic for a 20 year old kid who possibly blew his life for something as minor as smoking weed. Not everybody is the same, everybody deals with different stuff in life and to judge a person without knowing what their demons are is stupid. The kid is obviously troubled and very much plagued by where he comes from and the culture that surrounds it. He used weed, a much more benign drug that alcohol for the matter, as a coping mechanism to escape the pressures he faced.

Imagine the biggest sports magazine in the nation threw you on the cover, writing a profile of how you blew your life with weed and putting all your business out there. As a twenty year old kid, how would that make you feel? Putting the fact that your father is in prison, you were raised by your aunt/uncle, basically making you look like a fool. That would be kind of intense would it not?

That's why college sports are so ****** up. Chews these kids and spits them out. Everyone profited off Tyrann Mathieu except Tyrann and he ends up on the curb not for doing anything violent but for simply blowing it down once in a while, an activity a large part of his athletic peers take place in.
 
worldbeefreeg said:
JJs07 said:
I don't get why you're making excuses for him. He had guidelines to abide by and wasn't able to do it b/c of his addiction. HE controls his future. Stop putting the blame on the system. There are millions of people who go through day-to-day life w/o having the same hiccups as this fool. He put himself around people who didn't have his best interest in mind and now you'll probably watch him return punts in Canada until he's arrested again. I got little-to-no sympathy for him.
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Once again where did I make an excuse for him. He was in given an opportunity that few are ever presented with and blew it. But you love going on your little "everybody else gets through the same stuff routines" which echoes of some douchey libertarian ethos and is why Duece called you a House word (which I don't agree with or condone).

Did you grow up without parents? Did you grow up with your father in jail? He isn't an adult for christ sake, he is twenty years old? You know how many more privileged kids I've seen hiccup and **** up only to get rescued by their privilege? He doesn't have that opportunity because of where he comes from. George Bush spent his life doing coke and getting plastered, generally not giving a **** but because of who he was....all that could be washed away in a moment.

God forbid you feel sympathetic for a 20 year old kid who possibly blew his life for something as minor as smoking weed. Not everybody is the same, everybody deals with different stuff in life and to judge a person without knowing what their demons are is stupid. The kid is obviously troubled and very much plagued by where he comes from and the culture that surrounds it. He used weed, a much more benign drug that alcohol for the matter, as a coping mechanism to escape the pressures he faced.

Imagine the biggest sports magazine in the nation threw you on the cover, writing a profile of how you blew your life with weed and putting all your business out there. As a twenty year old kid, how would that make you feel? Putting the fact that your father is in prison, you were raised by your aunt/uncle, basically making you look like a fool. That would be kind of intense would it not?

That's why college sports are so ****** up. Chews these kids and spits them out. Everyone profited off Tyrann Mathieu except Tyrann and he ends up on the curb not for doing anything violent but for simply blowing it down once in a while, an activity a large part of his athletic peers take place in.
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I agree 100% Just because he has made some big mistakes doesn't absolve us as outsiders to feel a sense of empathy, its part of being human.....nobody from the outside can determine whether he is trying to change or not, he obviously is extremely troubled and handling addiction is not as easy as "oh I'm done today with all this" its a disease. Everyone is different in how they handle it, some can get through it quicker than others....Josh Hamilton got compassion and has way more to lose than Mathieu, why shouldn't he be afforded the same sentiments? He's one yr younger than me....nobody has life figured out at this age

Anyone with an opinion on his situation should check this out : http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...ed-channels-anger-onto-field-switch-to-safety
 
GUNNA GET IT said:
Jon Gruden is definitely getting back into coaching this next season.
No one knows his preference of college or pros
Gotta believe the Eagles and Browns are going to come calling.
Gruden has contacted several of his coaching buddies about possibly joining a staff he would put together .
so stay tuned.
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Couple of rumors out.
 
GUNNA GET IT said:
Jon Gruden is definitely getting back into coaching this next season.
No one knows his preference of college or pros
Gotta believe the Eagles and Browns are going to come calling.
Gruden has contacted several of his coaching buddies about possibly joining a staff he would put together .
so stay tuned.
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they said this last year tho and you see he stayed out and just took a longer deal with ESPN
 
worldbeefreeg said:
Once again where did I make an excuse for him. He was in given an opportunity that few are ever presented with and blew it. But you love going on your little "everybody else gets through the same stuff routines" which echoes of some douchey libertarian ethos and is why Duece called you a House word (which I don't agree with or condone).
Did you grow up without parents? Did you grow up with your father in jail? He isn't an adult for christ sake, he is twenty years old? You know how many more privileged kids I've seen hiccup and **** up only to get rescued by their privilege? He doesn't have that opportunity because of where he comes from. George Bush spent his life doing coke and getting plastered, generally not giving a **** but because of who he was....all that could be washed away in a moment.
God forbid you feel sympathetic for a 20 year old kid who possibly blew his life for something as minor as smoking weed. Not everybody is the same, everybody deals with different stuff in life and to judge a person without knowing what their demons are is stupid. The kid is obviously troubled and very much plagued by where he comes from and the culture that surrounds it. He used weed, a much more benign drug that alcohol for the matter, as a coping mechanism to escape the pressures he faced.
Imagine the biggest sports magazine in the nation threw you on the cover, writing a profile of how you blew your life with weed and putting all your business out there. As a twenty year old kid, how would that make you feel? Putting the fact that your father is in prison, you were raised by your aunt/uncle, basically making you look like a fool. That would be kind of intense would it not?
That's why college sports are so ****** up. Chews these kids and spits them out. Everyone profited off Tyrann Mathieu except Tyrann and he ends up on the curb not for doing anything violent but for simply blowing it down once in a while, an activity a large part of his athletic peers take place in.
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Your whole post reeks of excuses. I'm sorry, but I don't see things your way at all. At some point people need to be held accountable for their actions. The lack of accountability is why so many people are ****** up in this world. I have plenty of sympathy and empathy for plenty of people. As of now, Tyrann Mathieu isn't one of them. As a matter of fact, I was all for him getting another chance at LSU when he was booted and commended him for sticking it out initially.

Where I lose sympathy is when stupidity sets in. The weed is one thing. Party promoting and surrounding yourself with people who don't have your best interest in mind further complicates the situation. He did this to himself. There are many other people in this world in worse situations who don't use their childhood as an excuse for continually ******g up. He had people looking out for him. He didn't want the help. I mean, are we always going to excuse Mathieu's actions due to having a rough upbringing? Sounds like that's what you're saying.

He had a GOLDEN opportunity...and blew it. I'm supposed to feel sorry for him? Nah. What I hope for him is that if this is rock bottom, he can realize that at 20 he STILL has potential. A potential to play on Sundays or even make a living doing something else. It's just going to be up to him (yup, accountability) to make the proper decisions to get his mind right from here on out.

*I just finished reading a book called The Other Wes Moore I highly recommend it to you.

Here's the summary

*Starred Review* In 2000, Wes Moore had recently been named a Rhodes Scholar in his final year of college at Johns Hopkins University when he read a newspaper article about another Wes Moore who was on his way to prison. It turned out that the two of them had much in common, both young black men raised in inner-city neighborhoods by single mothers. Stunned by the similarities in their names and backgrounds and the differences in their ultimate fates, the author eventually contacted the other Wes Moore and began a long relationship. Moore visited his namesake in prison; he was serving a life sentence, convicted for his role in an armed robbery that resulted in the killing of an off-duty policeman. Growing up, both men were subject to the pitfalls of urban youth: racism, rebellion, violence, drug use, and dealing. The author examines eight years in the lives of both Wes Moores to explore the factors and choices that led one to a Rhodes scholarship, military service, and a White House fellowship, and the other to drug dealing, prison, and eventual conversion to the Muslim faith, with both sharing a gritty sense of realism about their pasts. Moore ends this haunting look at two lives with a call to action and a detailed resource guide.
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Someone also needs to hand Mathieu a copy as well. Moore is living proof (I've heard him speak as well) that there is hope after hitting rock bottom. He stopped making excuses for himself, hanging out w/ the wrong crowd, and turned his life around.

Mathieu can do the same, but it will be up to him.
 
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once LSU threw him under the bus in that SI issue it was all over with him getting another chance to play, i have know idea why his people told him to go back for class's
 
*Yawns*

That picking yourself up by your bootstraps mentality is lame and ignores the social realities of this country. For an individual, yes its the thing to do but it just ignores the gross inequalities that exist within the system. To be Mr. Moore, to escape the realities of social, cultural and economic poverty is that you have to essentially live a pretty flawless existence. It's easy to say "well look that guy did it, so you can do it too." That just ignores the reality of the real world, life is much more complicated than that. For 95 percent of people that just isn't viable. People are always imperfect and makes mistakes, its life. What were you doing when you were 20 years old? I'd love


I work with the homeless, mostly guys with histories of drug abuse and criminal backgrounds. To say they all ended up there because its their own fault ignores how America works. Do many of these guys have trouble taking responsibility and making the necessary steps that they need to get out of their position? Of course, because they were never taught how to. Most never had never had parents who went to work or had jobs, the only people with money they were surrounded were hustlers/gangsters.

If being Wes Moore was as simple as being mature and taking responsibility, than there would be a lot more Wes Moore's. Why do 1 out of 5 black men die before the age of 25. Why are 1 in 3 black men facing incarceration in there lifetime. Wes Moore is an outlier, he should be commended for achieving as much as he has, but he should not be held as a lesson in accountability. It ignores 400 years of the cruelest form of subjugation that African-Americans has suffered through in this country.

You don't know Tyrann Mathieu. I don't know Tyrann Mathieu. What if he suffers from mental illness such as depression or anxiety and that is an underlying factor in his behavior. There are obviously deeper problems underneath the surface with this guy and that's what you don't seem to get.

Then again you were the guy who questioned the legitimacy of Brandon Marshall's mental illness so maybe you just chose to look at things from a close minded lens and not really try to understand people and situation but just make judgements instead.
 
worldbeefreeg said:
*Yawns*
That picking yourself up by your bootstraps mentality is lame and ignores the social realities of this country. For an individual, yes its the thing to do but it just ignores the gross inequalities that exist within the system. To be Mr. Moore, to escape the realities of social, cultural and economic poverty is that you have to essentially live a pretty flawless existence. It's easy to say "well look that guy did it, so you can do it too." That just ignores the reality of the real world, life is much more complicated than that. For 95 percent of people that just isn't viable. People are always imperfect and makes mistakes, its life. What were you doing when you were 20 years old? I'd love
I work with the homeless, mostly guys with histories of drug abuse and criminal backgrounds. To say they all ended up there because its their own fault ignores how America works. Do many of these guys have trouble taking responsibility and making the necessary steps that they need to get out of their position? Of course, because they were never taught how to. Most never had never had parents who went to work or had jobs, the only people with money they were surrounded were hustlers/gangsters.
If being Wes Moore was as simple as being mature and taking responsibility, than there would be a lot more Wes Moore's. Why do 1 out of 5 black men die before the age of 25. Why are 1 in 3 black men facing incarceration in there lifetime. Wes Moore is an outlier, he should be commended for achieving as much as he has, but he should not be held as a lesson in accountability. It ignores 400 years of the cruelest form of subjugation that African-Americans has suffered through in this country.
You don't know Tyrann Mathieu. I don't know Tyrann Mathieu. What if he suffers from mental illness such as depression or anxiety and that is an underlying factor in his behavior. There are obviously deeper problems underneath the surface with this guy and that's what you don't seem to get.
Then again you were the guy who questioned the legitimacy of Brandon Marshall's mental illness so maybe you just chose to look at things from a close minded lens and not really try to understand people and situation but just make judgements instead.
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Wes Moore is not an outlier. He's just someone who realized that there were people in his corner who had his best interest in mind. Read the book. He turned his life around after so many missteps because he came to the realization that he needed to do something with himself before he ended up as a statistic. He came to that understanding as a TEEN. Like Mathieu, he did have good people in his corner.

All I know about Mathieu is what is written on him. Same with you. All these "what ifs" are irrelevant because none of that has come to surface (depression, anxiety, etc).

I just think it's too convenient to point to a problem from your past or an "issue" you're currently dealing with as the rationale as to why you're messing up as an adult. What family doesn't have problems? Who doesn't have their own issues? We all deal with these things on a daily basis. This all goes back to accountability. He needs to take some. I don't have an ounce of sympathy for the situation he's currently in. This is HIS doing. What I hope for is that he can turn his life around after hitting rock bottom. That is going to be completely up to him because at 20, he's got a long way to go in his life.
 
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Also, why the **** did he answer the door knowing one time was knocking...just look through the peep hole.

That was stupid...
 
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Kansas St.
Notre Dame
Alabama

all 3 will lose tomorrow thats my prediction

I really wanna see Bama make it to the SEC title game tho and face Florida so the Gators can knock them off
 
I think Oklahoma does beat ND, but I also think Kansas St. and Alabama will both win.

Dawgs have a chance :hat. ....They haven't won a big game in forever though

So we shall see, but I think Tech and Miss St. both get exposed.

ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. THOUGH!
 
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