2013 College Football Thread (Realer than Real Deal Holyfield -->S/O Craftsy)

Athlon asked current coaches to talk anonymously about their opponents, and it's always interesting to getopposing coaches' impressions off the record, especially when it's not bland 'coach speak'.

Here are some excerpts as to what coaches thought about their opponents in the SEC West:

Alabama

"They'll be really good again, don't worry. They lost a lot of guys on the defensive line. Last year wasn't their best defensive line, and they might not have been quick enough to handle fast quarterbacks who could turn broken plays into big gains like Johnny Manziel. On offensive, they can be better than last year. Obviously a lot depends on how well the defensive develops. Linebackers and secondary, they'll be fine. CJ Mosley is probably the best linebacker in the country…They really didn't' have an answer for Manziel last season. They could stand to get quicker up front."

Arkansas

"They are going to be terrible. What they are doing now, it's the product of bad recruiting. They have a long ways to go. That's nothing against the new coaching staff. But they are going to be terrible in Year 1. I think they'll struggle up front, they'll struggle in the secondary, the linebackers should be average. It's going to take them three years to get a good foundation. It's a product of bad recruiting ? which is typical of Bobby Petrino. It's the same thing that happened at Louisville that got Steve Kragthorpe fired. Petrino didn't leave him any players. It's the same thing at Arkansas. They have no players on defense…I think the young running back, Jonathan Williams, is going to be good for them."

Auburn

"Auburn's biggest problem was trying to be a pro-style offense with spread-type personel. I'm not sure what is going to happen at that position [quarterback] with Gus Malzahn taking over. Malzahn has an outstanding reputation. It is a little different when you are the head coach than just he offensive coordinator, but he knows what he's doing. The tackling is suspect. The defensive wasn't overly physical. It's a really athletic team. They were really young, so there wasn't much consistency there."

LSU

"[Defensive coordinator] John Chavis, he's done the same stuff schematically for what feels like forever. It's not very difficult. They do a lot of two-man, a lot Tampa 2. That's one thing that he's just not going to change. I don't think they will be the same up front at all. They lost a lot of players. In my opinion, there's a slow, steady decline of that program. Athletically, they can reload up front. But developing fundamentally sound players, that takes time, time they might not have this year. So, I'm not sure they can recover that quickly. Zach Mettenberger, to me, is very average. With Cam Cameron coming in as the offensive coordinator, it will be a different offense. It's probably going to open up things a lot more, and Mettenberger will probably be a better fit with doing that."

Mississippi State

"I'm thinking they [defense] are pretty good, or at least a lot better. On defense, they just aren't as athletic as the top teams.Our defensive big guys were bigger than some of their offensive big guys. They can get pounded up front. Linebackers are average athletically. I think schematically they are always going to put up some points. It all depends on whether they can put up a defense that can stop people. It's not effort, they just don't have the guns…The quarterback, Tyler Russell, I think most people like him ? he can be a little erratic but has some natural ability. He didn't play very well against some of the better teams team sin the league. But he's a good player."

Ole Miss

"They have a lot of tricks up their sleeve. They always get guys open. They put you in tough situations. They do so many different things. They have a good plan…They have to be a little concerned about Bo Wallace's shoulder surgery. James Franklin at Missouri had the same thing, and he wasn't at full strength at the beginning of last season. He [Wallace] needs to eliminate turnovers. You shouldn't have a freshman offensive lineman come in and play early unless he's a complete freak. The Laremy Tunsil kid, he's a complete freak. He will find a way to get on the field this season."

Texas A&M

"I think offensively they are still going to be really, really good.I actually think they are going to be the team to beat in the West, just because of who they have coming back overall, what they do schematically, how fast their offensive goes…Mark Snyder is a good defensive coordinator. Still, they almost beat Florida.I don't really know why LSU was so hard for them. You're really limited what you can do against A&M's offensive line.They only run about eight plays or so. It's just so fast.Where Johnny Manziel is really good ? and how he got us ? he gets you is the same way Cam Newton did. Once you've got everyone covered, if you don't account for the quarterback, he's going to run for a first down."
 
So we have an OL get arrested for DUI a couple years ago and he just has to run a few sets of bleachers, no punishment from the school. Johnny gets in a fight and almost gets suspended for a year? Something doesn't add up. Little drama queen is just over-exaggerating things like he always does.
 
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[h1]Which Teams Fit the 
National Championship Mold in 2013?[/h1]
Wouldn’t it be easy if there were key indicators that could trim down a list of National Title candidates prior to each year? I recently went and looked through every imaginable stat from each team that won the National Title and also those that got to the BCS Title game. I also included those few #3 teams that had a legitimate beef about being about being left out. I searched for common threads in numerous categories and was very pleased with what I have found.

Before I get into my selection process for the upcoming season, last year  was the first time that I did the championship mold article and it had great success. The 11 teams who made the cut were Alabama, Florida St, LSU, Michigan, Michigan St, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Stanford and Texas.

All 11 of my teams that fit the mold went on to a bowl game with six of the 11 teams winning at least 10 games. 4 of the 11 teams would go on to win a BCS Bowl game and of course, Alabama who was included would win the National Title!    

Naturally, we can not 100% accurately predict the stats that each team will have for the upcoming season so what I did for each previous National Title winner and contender was to look what they did the year prior to their great seasons in order to examine the teams coming into 2013 (used 2012 stats).

I used a combo of 24 different categories/stats from every National Title winner and contender from the last 21 years to come up with a list of just 14 teams that meet all of the criteria and in my opinion legitimately fit the national championship mode.

Before I get to those 14 teams, I thought it would be interesting to break down each and every category and analyze which stats/categories eliminate which teams. I also must say that for many categories I did not count the 1995 Arizona St (6-5) team which would go on to nearly win the national title in 1996 because their stats particularly on defense that year were far outliers and it would not have allowed me to eliminate any teams in those categories.

First I started off with the 124 teams who played in the FBS last year as I think we can all agree that Old Dominion and Georgia St will not win the national title this year.

My first category was to look at wins and losses the previous season and each team that contended for and/or won a national title in the last 21 years at minimum lost five games or less the previous seasons (ex: Oklahoma 7-5 in ’99, Ohio State 7-5 in ’01). The Buckeyes did go 6-7 in 2011 before going 12-0 last year. However, the 2011 team was under extraordinary circumstances losing their head coach in late May and having five of their best players suspended for nearly half or all of the season, so I did not count them. This eliminated 68 teams right out of the gate and here are the 56 teams that met this first general category.
AlabamaFresno StNebraskaSouth Carolina
ArizonaGeorgiaNorth CarolinaStanford
Arizona StKansas StNorthwesternSyracuse
Arkansas StKent StNotre DameTexas
Ball StLouisianaOhioTexas A&M
BaylorLouisiana TechOhio StTexas Tech
Boise StLouisvilleOklahomaToledo
Bowling GreenLSUOklahoma StTulsa
BYUMiami, FlOregonUCF
CincinnatiMichiganOregon StUCLA
ClemsonMiddle TennesseePenn StULM
East CarolinaMississippi StRutgersUtah St
FloridaNorthern IllinoisSan Diego StUTSA
Florida StNavySan Jose StVanderbilt
My next categories would start dealing with stats from the previous year. The first one examined offensive ppg where Michigan in 1996 avg only 23.1 ppg the year before their national title season and it was the lowest ppg in the last 21 years among title winners/contenders. All of the 56 remaining teams avg’d at least 23.1 ppg last year with the exception of Rutgers (21.5) and Bowling Green (22.9) who both avg’d less than 23.1 ppg. This brings the list down to 54. 

Naturally the next category was defensive ppg where the 2009 Auburn Tigers the year before their national title in 2010 allowed 27.5 ppg, which was the highest in the last 21 years. In order to fit the National Championship mold the remaining 54 teams would have had to allow less than 27.5 ppg last year. This category would eliminate 16 teams as Louisiana Tech (38.5), Baylor (37.2), Arizona (35.3), Ball St (32.0), Texas Tech (31.8), East Carolina (31.6), Miami, Fl (30.5), ULM (29.2), Texas (29.2), UTSA (28.8), Toledo (28.4), Oklahoma St (28.2), Louisiana (28.1), Middle Tennessee (28.0), UCLA (27.6) and Nebraska (27.6) all allowed more than 27.5 ppg last year. Now we are already down to 38 teams.

The next two categories dealt with offensive and defensive ypg. On offense the 1998 Virginia Tech Hokies (prior to Michael Vick) avg only 314 ypg prior to their National Title appearance the following season. This category eliminated no teams this year. On defense the 2010 Oklahoma St Cowboys allowed 409 ypg, every National Championship contender for this year would have had to allow 409 ypg or less and this eliminated Kent St (410 ypg).

After five categories we are now down to 37 teams and here they are:
AlabamaLSUOregon St
Arizona StMichiganPenn St
Arkansas StMississippi StSan Diego St
Boise StNorthern IllinoisSan Jose St
BYUNavySouth Carolina
CincinnatiNorth CarolinaStanford
ClemsonNorthwesternSyracuse
FloridaNotre DameTexas A&M
Florida StOhioTulsa
Fresno StOhio StUCF
GeorgiaOklahomaUtah St
Kansas StOregonVanderbilt
Louisville  
I now started looking at rush and pass yard stats and started off with offensive rush ypg. Oklahoma in 1999 avg’d only 104 rush ypg in their pass-happy offense prior to winning the national title in 2000. This category eliminated no teams.
Next up I looked at defensive rush ypg allowed and the 1995 Florida Gators who would appear in the title game that year (lost to Neb 62-24) prior to taking home the title in ’96 allowed a 21-year high among title contenders with 160 rush ypg. This category eliminated six teams as Navy (194 ypg), Oklahoma (192 ypg), Arizona St (183 ypg), Georgia (182 ypg), Fresno St (172 ypg) and Mississippi St (166 ypg) all allowed more rush ypg last year.

With 31 teams left I then looked at pass ypg on offense/defense but due to the contrasting style of play over the last 21 years (more pass-oriented) I was unable to eliminate any teams as option-based Nebraska avg’d just 114 pass ypg in 1992 and surprisingly the 2003 USC Trojans who won the title that year allowed 276 pass ypg. Both were the low/high watermarks of the last 21 years.

I then looked at first downs avg’d per game on offense and defense as Va Tech avg’d just 17 FD’s a game in 1998 and Oklahoma St gave up 22.3 FD’s on defense in 2010. This eliminated one team (Northern Illinois) who gave up 22.4 FD’s a game on defense last year. After 11 categories, I was still sitting on 30 teams.

I then dived further into rush stats and looked at rush ypc on offense and defense. I found that Florida St in their national title winning season in 1999 (again played in title gm following year) avg’d only 3.3 rush ypc. On defense, Auburn in 2009 was the high water mark of the last 21 years allowing 4.1 rush ypc. This surprisingly eliminated three more teams as Ohio (4.4), Louisville (4.3) and Clemson (4.2) didn’t make the cut leaving me with just 27 teams.
Since I dived further into rush stats, I decided to also look at pass % completed and % allowed as my next two categories. Again Nebraska’s 1992 option-based team avg’d just 44.9%, which did not eliminate any teams. However on pass defense I got some results with Oklahoma St’s 2010 defense allowing 62.5 %, the high water mark among contenders the last 21 years. This category would eliminate Arkansas St (63.9%), and Syracuse (63.5%).

Now after 15 categories I was down to just 25 teams and here they are:
AlabamaOregon
Boise StOregon St
BYUPenn St
CincinnatiSan Diego St
FloridaSan Jose St
Florida StSouth Carolina
Kansas StStanford
LSUTexas A&M
MichiganTulsa
North CarolinaUCF
NorthwesternUtah St
Notre DameVanderbilt
Ohio St 
I then decided to take a look at TO margin. Ohio St in 2005 was -9 the year before appearing in the title game being the lowest of the last 21 years, but unfortunately, this did not eliminate any teams as UCF (-9) just made the cut.

With 25 teams left I then looked Offensive and Defensive YPP (yards per point). Michigan in 1996 had the highest offensive ypp with 16.5. Every other team had a lower ypp and this category again eliminated no teams. I then looked at defensive ypp (higher the number the better) and Auburn’s 2009 defense allowed 13.6 yards per point. This category again eliminated no one. 

18 categories down and still 25 teams left! To further dwindle the list I then took a look at returning starters for the National Championship teams and contenders and the least amount of returning starters on offense was four while the least amount of returning starters on defense was three. These two categories helped me eliminate one more team as Kansas St (2 def) did not meet the criteria.  

Now after 20 categories, I was down to just 24 teams and now I felt it was time to look at non-stat factors.

First, no school from outside the BCS conferences has ever won the national title in the last 21 years, so this would immediately eliminate Tulsa, Boise St, San Diego St, San Jose St and Utah St. Also it should be noted that no Big East (now AAC) team has ever won the national title since it lost its strongest core of teams to the ACC in 2004. Even Cincinnati, who finished the 2009 regular season a perfect 12-0, was only #4 into their bowl game and it would take every single team in a conference like the SEC to have at least two losses for an undefeated AAC team to get voted above them. Therefore this would eliminate Cincinnati and UCF. BYU also really isn’t an AQ status team like their independent peer Notre Dame, so I decided to eliminate them as well. 

With 16 teams remaining I started looking at other factors that separated them and found that no team that lost as many as eight or more games two seasons prior has contended for a national title. This eliminates Oregon State who went 3-9 in 2011. Also Penn State is in eligible for a bowl this year and while statistically they qualify, their sanctions prevent them. 

So here are the final 14 teams that met all of the criteria and in my opinion fit a championship mold for the upcoming season based on the last 21 years. While there may be a couple of teams left out (Texas, USC, Louisville, Oklahoma St and Georgia), 13 of these teams made my preseason Top 40 (11 in Top 24) including my top 3 in Alabama, Ohio St and Florida St!
[h1]The Final 14 Teams Who Fit the 
National Championship Mold in 2013[/h1]
AlabamaNotre Dame
FloridaOhio St
Florida StOregon
LSUSouth Carolina
MichiganStanford
North CarolinaTexas A&M
NorthwesternVanderbilt
 
2016 ATH Tyler Byrd to UF 
 
It'd surprise me if Johnny's ego blew up after the Heisman season, just because he already came from money and most people who are able to grow up humble with that advantage already enjoy the benefits that come with fame.
 
It'd surprise me if Johnny's ego blew up after the Heisman season, just because he already came from money and most people who are able to grow up humble with that advantage already enjoy the benefits that come with fame.

I kid you not, he was just a normal dude before the season. He'd walk into the gym and we'd all hoop like he was just another dude. First time I met him before I knew he was a football recruit we hooped one night. After we finished dude asked for my name so he could add me on Facebook. Pulled his phone out and asked me to help him find me. I left the gym thinking he was the weirdest ******* dude I've ever met :lol
 
I kid you not, he was just a normal dude before the season. He'd walk into the gym and we'd all hoop like he was just another dude. First time I met him before I knew he was a football recruit we hooped one night. After we finished dude asked for my name so he could add me on Facebook. Pulled his phone out and asked me to help him find me. I left the gym thinking he was the weirdest ******* dude I've ever met
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hahahaha funny ****
 
I kid you not, he was just a normal dude before the season. He'd walk into the gym and we'd all hoop like he was just another dude. First time I met him before I knew he was a football recruit we hooped one night. After we finished dude asked for my name so he could add me on Facebook. Pulled his phone out and asked me to help him find me. I left the gym thinking he was the weirdest ******* dude I've ever met :lol

[COLOR=#red]Yeah I can totally see that. I was surprised to see so many of A&M's football players at the Student Rec hoopin. Starters, bench guys, and everything in between. Mike Evans was hooping and before I knew who he was I was like he must play for the hoop squad..nope their leading receiver. I know some football programs forbid their players from hooping due to the likelihood of ankle injuries and sprains.

I remember back in the days at UNC's famed Woolen Gym Mack Brown walked in and literally told the football players to get the eff off the court. They had been sneaking in to play anyway.[/COLOR]
 
Mike Evans cramped one day and started screaming like a girl, everyone died laughing that day. But yeah man the summers are awesome. Bunch of players come in the afternoon after class and practice. I had to guard demontre moore once, dude drove to the rack and stiff armed the life out of me :rollin
 
Sporting News Top 25 players for 2013....with juicy quotes!


Sporting News annual Top 25: College Football's Best Players

Each year we break down the top 25 players based not solely on NFL Draft stock, but on college performance and pro potential.

2013

25. Bradley Roby CB Ohio State
24. Sammy Watkins WR Clemson
23. Brett Hundley QB UCLA
22. De'Anthony Thomas RB Oregon
21. C.J. Mosely LB Alabama
20. Ka'Deem Carey RB Arizona
19. Loucheiz Purifoy CB Florida - "The best pure cover corner in the game"
18. Lache Seastrunk RB Baylor - "Told Sporting News this spring that he's going to win the Heisman"
17. Aaron Murray QB Georgia
16. Stephon Tuitt DE Notre Dame
15. Jake Mathews OT Texas A&M
14. Marcus Mariota QB Oregon
13. Kyle Van Noy LB BYU - "The best linebacker in the game in coverage"
12. Tajh Boyd QB Clemson
11. Taylor Lewan OL Michigan - "Don't be surprised if Lewan is a top 5 pick in the NFL Draft"
10. T.J. Yeldon RB Alabama - "He'll have a bigger season than the three star tailbacks before him."
9. AJ McCarron QB Alabama
8. Anthony Barr LB UCLA
7. Braxton Miller QB Ohio State - "Meyer says Miller is the best athlete he has ever coached."
6. Will Sutton DT Arizona State - "The best interior pass rusher in college football in more than a decade."
5. Teddy Bridgewater QB Louisville
4. Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina - "A fantastic player...(but) Taylor Lewan dominated Clowney for much of the Outback Bowl."
3. Todd Gurley RB Georgia - "Has been compared to Herschel Walker."
2. Marqise Lee WR USC - "Kiffin says he has considered playing Lee on defense and will likely use him in Wildcat."
1. Johnny Manziel QB Texas A&M - "Oklahoma DC Mike Stoops says Manziel is the best he has ever seen at QB."

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...ball-players-johnny-manziel-jadeveon-clowney/
 
brett hundley?

no hate.  he that good right now?
 
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Lol @ Clowney not being #1

But yeah, me thinks Hundley is that good.

Would get drafted in front of Manziel

3. Todd Gurley RB Georgia - "Has been compared to Herschel Walker

So they quoted Cardo I see
 
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Mike Evans cramped one day and started screaming like a girl, everyone died laughing that day. But yeah man the summers are awesome. Bunch of players come in the afternoon after class and practice. I had to guard demontre moore once, dude drove to the rack and stiff armed the life out of me :rollin

[COLOR=#red]Yeah bro..Damontre is my frat...got some stories but it would just be wrong on a public forum :lol Phi Nu Pi!!![/COLOR]
 
Lol @ Clowney not being #1

But yeah, me thinks Hundley is that good.

Would get drafted in front of Manziel
So they quoted Cardo I see
No one compares to Herschel. I wouldv'e said Adrian Peterson in the SEC.

Folks was all in my mentions on twitter the other day when I said Clowney is overrated tho....
 
Lol @ Clowney not being #1

But yeah, me thinks Hundley is that good.

Would get drafted in front of Manziel
So they quoted Cardo I see
No one compares to Herschel. I wouldv'e said Adrian Peterson in the SEC.

Folks was all in my mentions on twitter the other day when I said Clowney is overrated tho....
Overrated as in he's NOT the best DE/defensive player in the country?
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He would have graded out as a top 5 pick THIS year.  How is he overrated?
 
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