2014-15 Lakers Season Thread (21-61) KAT

[kal-el-8]

Agreed. repped.

 

[senorroboto2k5]

And on Kobe, his elevation on jumpers looks like it's improving game by game. Looks very similar to what he was doing pre-injury. It's just his finishes around the rim, tentative nature on fast breaks, and ability to get to the rim all look shaky. It has a lot to do with him looking slow out there. The homer in me thinks he can get it back, but the realist in me thinks this is how he'll be. I do think we need to be patient with the guy though, it wont be instantaneous, he'll need until December.

Also, part of his less frequent drives and out-of-rhythm stretches could be because of Byron's No Space Offense, which is up to Byron to fix.

He'll continue to improve, but I think attacking the basket will stay pretty limited. And that's something that made him Kobe, even in 2013. But even without that, he should still be a great player.

 

[CP1708]

Had very little to do with D'antoni. He was an easy scapegoat. I still to this day think if he was coaching OKC, they would be ridiculous. 

I even think he's a better coach than Byron. The stuff the Lakers are running on offense, really doesn't make much sense to me. Literally no spacing, and it's setting up plays for long 2's. I don't mind midrange jumpers like most of analytics + the majority of the NBA, but taking long 2's should be a last option. Somehow it seems like all his actions want us taking long 2s. 

But it's preseason and I'm not going to judge with a lot of players out. Simply having Lin out there helped a lot of the issues tonight, but still the offense looks sketchy. 

I hope Byron proves me wrong. 

I'm sorry but hell no in any way is Pringles was our ever will be a better coach then Byron Scott.

Byron won coach of the year one season. He took the fricking Nets to the Finals 2 straight years.

Pringles NEVER has and I seriously doubt will ever take a team with his run & gun style to the Finals.

Mike Brown won coach of the year and went to the Finals with the frickin Cavs tho.

None of those things make them a better coach than anyone else.

 

[mr j 858]

Mike Brown won coach of the year and went to the Finals with the frickin Cavs tho.

None of those things make them a better coach than anyone else.

Ok but look at what Byron has done with a rookie & young Chris Paul and veteran in the prime of his career Jason Kidd.

Nobody is going to come in here and say he didn't help them out in their careers.

Pringles on the other hand though literally everywhere he's been (Phoenix, New York, LA) nearly all of his big men complained and hated his system.

 

[senorroboto2k5]

Nobody is going to come in here and say he didn't help them out in their careers.

You're right, nobody's said or gonna say that. He did connect with his three point guards really well (those 2 + Kyrie). However, I think Byron's lows are lower than a lot of coaches, D'Antoni included.

I don't really care how Byron ranks next to D'Antoni though. I do, however, think Laker fans will have a lot of stuff to complain about Byron in a few months, maybe more than they did with Mike.

Could be wrong, but that's my prediction.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

D'antoni wasn't a scape goat. Until another team shows even mild interest in him and he takes them to moderate success, he deserved his fate and got lucky as hell that management is whacky and didn't go with Jackson to begin with.

Scott on the other hand will be out of a job in a few years as well so to compare the two and try to make a claim for who's better is irrelevant. Scott rode Paul and Kidd to all of his success.

When the rebuild finally happens I hope they can also finally hire a decent coach.

 

[youngwolf]

kobe needs to start giving lessons on how to seal a defender off 

dem fundamentals :x  tucker had no chance 

He is. I'm not sure, but I think it was Ellington that mentioned this in an interview not too long ago.

 

[mr j 858]

D'antoni wasn't a scape goat. Until another team shows even mild interest in him and he takes them to moderate success, he deserved his fate and got lucky as hell that management is whacky and didn't go with Jackson to begin with.

Scott on the other hand will be out of a job in a few years as well so to compare the two and try to make a claim for who's better is irrelevant. Scott rode Paul and Kidd to all of his success.

When the rebuild finally happens I hope they can also finally hire a decent coach.

I don't think Byron will be fired in 2 years. Even if they miss the playoffs this season or barely make it as the 7th or 8th seed.

Reason being is Jim Buss knows the franchise needs to show some stability and belief they are headed in the right direction. Right now for the the next couple season the Lakers have been and will continue to be in re build mode.

Byron's time right now as coach really does remind me of Phil Jackson's second stint of coaching the Lakers when he came back in 2005. Lakers missed the playoffs in 03-04. Then the next 2 years we lost in the first round.

 

[Lizakers]

It just might work for Byron If he can connect with these players with his old school, gritty, defensive minded, tough, I played here and won rings so I know what it takes attitude

It's all about players buying in And playing hard every game, Xs and Os are overrated, he has an assistant who has been around for decades, these guys aren't stupid, they know the game

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

They aint barely making the playoffs, in my humble opinion, it could get ugly. Are they capable of staying out of the worst 5 teams defensively?

Buss' idea of stability and our idea of stability could be vastly different. Depending on him to have a grasp on the term is putting a lot more faith in him than I would.

The good news is that they should be able to rebuild quickly whenever Kobe decides to retire. Just hire a decent coach.

Ed Davis coming over was probably their best move all things considered.. which is not exactly saying much. Outside of Randle just sort of falling to them.

To say X's and O's is overrated is pretty naive.

 

[mr j 858]

They aint barely making the playoffs, in my humble opinion, it could get ugly. Are they capable of staying out of the worst 5 teams defensively?

Buss' idea of stability and our idea of stability could be vastly different. Depending on him to have a grasp on the term is putting a lot more faith in him than I would.

The good news is that they should be able to rebuild quickly whenever Kobe decides to retire. Just hire a decent coach.

Ed Davis coming over was probably their best move all things considered.. which is not exactly saying much. Outside of Randle just sort of falling to them.

To say X's and O's is overrated is pretty naive.

Hiring a decent coach is only one step in getting the Lakers back to contenders or winning championships again.

To me it's pretty clear the Lakers front office (Jim Buss & Mitch Kupchak) firmly believe in the plan of maintaing cap space for the next 2 summers and that the next franchise superstar like Durant will eventually come here and sign, is the way to go. Which a ton of NT'ers in this thread want the opposite and want to just tank 2 straight years and build through lottery picks.

That's the main reason why they only signed guys to mainly 1 year contracts our kept or got expiring contracts.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Well if we're talking championships, obviously it's going to take a complete overhaul from coaches (IMO) to the roster (IMO). Yes LA is spoiled by the Lakers' success but it's going to be a process. Like I said, the good thing is a rebuild should be doable in terms of cap space and money.

Hell, IMO I also don't think the Lakers will ever get back to that level under Jim

 

[sea manup]

To me it's pretty clear the Lakers front office (Jim Buss & Mitch Kupchak) firmly believe in the plan of maintaing cap space for the next 2 summers is the way to go. Which a ton of NT'ers in this thread want the opposite and want to just tank 2 straight years and build through lottery picks.
 

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[senorroboto2k5]

building through lottery picks is not the opposite. In theory it helps make a better roster to attract players, while maintaining that cap space.

If the picks don't pay off they still pretty much have the same amount of cap space to work with

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Still kind of disappointed we couldn't find a way to sign trev. Would have been a nice upgrade from wes.

 

[bravelude]

I know I asked this before, but anyone wanna play in our league?  It's kind of a community league I created for guys just for fun.

Please let me know your YAHOO.  Just want guys willing to play and give effort.  Thanks.

12 teams max

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30 SECONDS

 

[bravelude]

Damn, Kobe's 9s were beautiful tonight

need info on these.

 

[mjsaver]

PTI talked about the Abbott piece today. Like what they had to say. They said its unfair to blame kobe. Mike said stern played the biggest role im the lakers being in the current situation they are in. The fact that he vetoed what would have been another of a long line of great deals for the lakers has more to do with it then just kobe. And tony killed d12....which i always enjoy.

That "irrelevant" article I posted yesterday? Heh, who'da thunk?

Oh, the NBA thread is on fire too about it?

Flea and Phil Jackson goin at Abbott about it on Twitter?


I'm such an *** hole for posting that in here yesterday. Gee, it was such a non-story.

Does your neck hurt from pleasing yourself so much ?

You being an *** hole has nothing to do with that story, it goes far beyond that.

My biggest problem with that story is it's inaccurate and full of bias, LIES, and exaggeration........and you knew what it would cause posting it in here.

You just don't stop either, you're the type to keep a cycle of negativity going just like you did with that article.

Takes real dedication to kill the morale of an entire thread , congrats you're right on the brink of it.

 

[CP1708]

Kill morale?

That article is THEE topic of the NBA right now, everywhere. Dude, literally, everywhere.

LakerNation has been going over it section by section.


It's relevant to our team, and best player.


You want us to avoid relevant topics because they are negative?????? Man, come on. You can't be this sensitive. Lakers have always had negative stuff said about us, how do you not have thicker skin to it by now?

 

[CP1708]

Check your PM btw Saver.

 

[darthska]

The Mamba is back !!

I seriously laugh at some people in this thread who predict and still think he's going to be a shell of himself and will average 17, 19, 20, 22, or 23 points this season

What's he averaging for the preseason?

 

[sb]

Damn, Kobe's 9s were beautiful tonight

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im surprised krby hasnt played with the kobe 9 boots to better cushion his achilles. he must trust it fully to play in lows.

 

[sb]

kobe averaging 25/5/5 doesnt seem out of reach

 

[sb]

feeling in a giving mood. havent given away a movie in a while.

if interested, first person to quote this gets a digital download of x-men: days of future past.



edit: for thread regulars. sorry lurkers.

 

[cruzair13]

feeling in a giving mood. havent given away a movie in a while.

if interested, first person to quote this gets a digital download of x-men: days of future past.



edit: for thread regulars. sorry lurkers.

movie?