2016 MLB thread. THE CUBS HAVE BROKEN THE CURSE! Chicago Cubs are your 2016 World Series champions

[RyGuy45]

Sosa

1998 - 66 HR, 158 RBI, 134 R, .647 SLG
1999 - 63 HR, 141 RBI, 114 R, .635 SLG
2000 - 50 HR, 138 RBI, 106 R, .634 SLG
2001 - 64 HR, 160 RBI, 146 R, .737 SLG


Watching baseball those years was CRAZY.

Baseball Tonight was like a damn firework show, Ravich and Gammons losing their breath each night

 

[dmxfury]

All this talk about juiced hitters makes me shake my head in appreciation of Greg Maddux even more. Awesome what he could do

 

[RyGuy45]

if ted williams didn't choose to be a military hero he would have the most records, including hr

This is no joke either, I bring this up all the time.

Ted Williams missed three full seasons from age 24-27 for World War II and missed 287 games from 33-34 for the Korean War

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Sosa

1998 - 66 HR, 158 RBI, 134 R, .647 SLG
1999 - 63 HR, 141 RBI, 114 R, .635 SLG
2000 - 50 HR, 138 RBI, 106 R, .634 SLG
2001 - 64 HR, 160 RBI, 146 R, .737 SLG


Watching baseball those years was CRAZY.

Baseball Tonight was like a damn firework show, Ravich and Gammons losing their breath each night

everyone benefited from expansion. even Griffey.

statistically, power generally peaks at 24, declines after 26. but expansion, dilution of pitching talent gave everyone a second prime window.

from 94-03, pretty much everyone had a late power surge.

If Ken Griffey stays healthy I think he gets at least 1 55+ hr season after 29.

 

[CP1708]

Sosa

1998 - 66 HR, 158 RBI, 134 R, .647 SLG
1999 - 63 HR, 141 RBI, 114 R, .635 SLG
2000 - 50 HR, 138 RBI, 106 R, .634 SLG
2001 - 64 HR, 160 RBI, 146 R, .737 SLG


Watching baseball those years was CRAZY.

Baseball Tonight was like a damn firework show, Ravich and Gammons losing their breath each night

It sucks that it's tainted, but as someone that followed Sosa when he was just coming up, and he was raw and electric as all hell, like an early Vlad, I was elated to see him morph into THIS Sosa, until I found out how and why. |I


My dumb *** thought it was all just legit progression from the talent I saw early on.

 

[shirt1995]

*flame suit on*

I think PEDs should be legal

 

[dmxfury]

Harper tweaked his wrist...

 

[thekidgriffey24]

*flame suit on*

I think PEDs should be legal

No. That's awful. Baseball's numbers are sacred, I don't want numbers at astronomical levels and records being broken year after year. Records being broken are best when they come from nowhere.

Out of all the PED users, Sosa pisses me off the most. He had no place putting up the numbers he did. Without PEDs he was a good player with a lot of Ks and then he turns into a perennial 60 hr guy? McGwire hit 70 and then 65 and then was mostly done, but Sosa goes on to be a member of the 600 hr club. I have no respect for him whatsoever.

Harper tweaked his wrist...

.....Well you know what I have to say....O-VER-RATED!!!!!

Kidding, I hope these injuries don't significantly alter his career. He's way too young for that. Staying healthy is a skill, it's why Mays is better than Mantle and right now it's one of the reasons Trout is better than Bonds.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

No. That's awful. Baseball's numbers are sacred, I don't want numbers at astronomical levels and records being broken year after year. Records being broken are best when they come from nowhere.

Out of all the PED users, Sosa pisses me off the most. He had no place putting up the numbers he did. Without PEDs he was a good player with a lot of Ks and then he turns into a perennial 60 hr guy? McGwire hit 70 and then 65 and then was mostly done, but Sosa goes on to be a member of the 600 hr club. I have no respect for him whatsoever.
.....Well you know what I have to say....O-VER-RATED!!!!!

Kidding, I hope these injuries don't significantly alter his career. He's way too young for that. Staying healthy is a skill, it's why Mays is better than Mantle and right now it's one of the reasons Trout is better than Bonds.

1. you don't know anything about steroids and the effect they had on baseball. none of what you said is true.

2. the number were never sacred. they have always been "tainted" by "performance enhancing" substances.

 

[thekidgriffey24]

1. you don't know anything about steroids and the effect they had on baseball. none of what you said is true.

2. the number were never sacred. they have always been "tainted" by "performance enhancing" substances.

What did I say that wasn't true? You're going to attribute Roger Maris' 61 home runs to performance enhancers? Greenies were responsible for Hank Aaron hitting 755? Sosa gets to 600 without PEDs? Sosa gets 4 consecutive 60 hr seasons without PEDs?

What pre PED era numbers were a product of PEDs?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

What did I say that wasn't true?

You're going to attribute Roger Maris' 61 home runs to performance enhancers? Greenies were responsible for Hank Aaron hitting 755?

1. yes.

Sosa gets to 600 without PEDs? Sosa gets 4 consecutive 60 hr seasons without PEDs?

2. maybe

What pre PED era numbers were a product of PEDs?

amphetamines enhance your performance.

is this really that difficult to grasp.

 

[thekidgriffey24]

1. yes.
2. maybe
amphetamines enhance your performance.

is this really that difficult to grasp.

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/performanceenhancingdrugs/a/Amphetamines.htm

Amphetamines give you a small boost in performance at best. You don't consider Babe Ruth's numbers clean? Steroids make you hit the ball farther.....look at Ryan Braun this year, he's still a good hitter but it's obvious he doesn't have the power he had before.

If you really think there's a chance Sammy Sosa has 4 consecutive 60 homer seasons with roids I'm done with this conversation.

 

[green rhino123]

for maddux & glavine to get into the hof and not clemens is a joke
it devalues the hof and its caliber to exclude clemens


but he will get in eventually so whatever

 

[thekidgriffey24]

for maddux & glavine to get into the hof and not clemens is a joke
it devalues the hof and its caliber to exclude clemens


but he will get in eventually so whatever

How does that devalue the HOF? Clemens shouldn't get into the HOF.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

They all should get in.

 

[green rhino123]

it doesn't accurately depict the greats of the game
those that excelled

Spoiler

always suspected griffey jr. of steroids

Spoiler

and wouldn't really care

 

[thekidgriffey24]

Are you trolling or serious? Griffey was clearly not using. I'm a Giants fan and a huge Bonds fan. Going to AT&T to watch him are some of my fondest childhood memories, but he used and shouldn't get in. Same goes for Clemens, A Rod, Sosa, McGwire, and anyone else we KNOW used.

 

[651akathepaul]

Just let Pete in so the floodgates open.

 

[green rhino123]

serious and you need to wake up kid



what happens if tech & med science converge with econ and people start getting stem cell therapy and such to cure ailments, inprove fitness, even genetically pre-program children
before they're born

will ball players be excluded from such health benefits, would steroids as we know them now be relevant anymore?


where do you see pro baseball in 100 years?

 

[mister friendly]

*flame suit on*

I think PEDs should be legal

I agree

Its should be doctor regulated though

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

I agree as well. I go to games to be entertained I personally don't care if they use PEDs

 

[madj55]

Keep winning, Nats.

Keep losing, Braves.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/performanceenhancingdrugs/a/Amphetamines.htm

Amphetamines give you a small boost in performance at best. You don't consider Babe Ruth's numbers clean? Steroids make you hit the ball farther.....look at Ryan Braun this year, he's still a good hitter but it's obvious he doesn't have the power he had before.

If you really think there's a chance Sammy Sosa has 4 consecutive 60 homer seasons with roids I'm done with this conversation.

Amphetamines give you a small boost in performance at best.

okay champ an about.com page too huh.

im not oging to go into to detail because this has been beaten to death. but here is the cliff notes version.

ill put it in a spoiler to spare the others.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

1. There isn't any statistical evidence that steroids significantly improve your ability to hit a baseball for power.

2. The effect that increased muscle mass on your ability to hit a baseball for power is hazy and undefined.

3. We know for certain that reaction time, hand eye coordination, and eye sight (things that dramatically impact your ability to hit a baseball) are effected by fatigue in a significant and measurable way.

4. Amphetamines give you peak wakefulness and therfore improved, eye sight, hand eye coordination and reaction time.


The outliers home run numbers and late career primes of players can be explained by,

1. the rapid expansion post strike causing the dilution of pitching talent. (AVG FB velocity was like 3 mph slower.)

2. a different baseball MLB introduced post strike. (researchers found that pills [ball cores] from the 1995 and 2000 balls bounced an average of 33 percent higher than their 1989)

3. power has been increasing in baseball basically at a pretty steady rate since the war.

4. the introduction of several home run friendly ball parks like coors feild.

5. Increased use of sabermetrics led to a revolution on striking out. (basically striking out is no worse than any other kind of out, sometimes better.)

less fear of the strikeout meant more hitters like Adam Dunn, Jack Cust Mark Renoylds whos Home run centric approach wouldn't have been tolerated in the 70's.80's

 

[thekidgriffey24]

serious and you need to wake up kid



what happens if tech & med science converge with econ and people start getting stem cell therapy and such to cure ailments, inprove fitness, even genetically pre-program children
before they're born

will ball players be excluded from such health benefits, would steroids as we know them now be relevant anymore?


where do you see pro baseball in 100 years?

I don't even think the planet as we know it will be here in 100 years. Steroids don't make the game more entertaining. We went through practically a century of entertaining baseball before steroids. Baseball is fun, it doesn't need people hitting 60 home runs each year for it to remain fun. Baseball is and always will be a kids game. It's popularity stemmed from the fact that it allowed adults to feel like kids again. Pumped up sluggers don't relate to kids, normal looking people do. Ruth was a star because he was an average joe with amazing ability. I can't believe this many people are this nonchalant on PEDs.

 

[mister friendly]

Because most rational people realize they don't have the skill of these players

PEDs enhance these players performance therefore making the game better