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Who from that class hasn’t got paid yet that is expected to?
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Ok, if your point is that there are a few other big market owners in the league willing to spend at his level, ok fine. Granted
I did say much of the Warrior's success is from drafting and player development. But I don't buy that is the only reason. They have been competent enough not to pull a Dallas with Jalen Brunson goof with their draft picks over money.
Dudes point about Wiggins is still nonsense IMO. The one-time salary jump allowing Durant to come to the team was a major break for them. Durant deciding to come was a major break. The fact they didn't lose him for nothing was a major break. Which ultimately lead to them getting Wiggins
Warriors are a highly competent franchise, and a lucky one.
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Very trade-able contract if it comes to it
They don't get outta the first round without him last year. So at least you know you can play him 1 round into it if not 2 if you get anyone other than GSW
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Curious if Cam Johnson and PJ Washington get deals done. Nas Little even.
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Dawg. A lot of the dynasties are lucky. You can point to numerous lucky bounces or circumstances of the Spurs, Lakers etc.
GSW are as organic as any past dynasty if not the most
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Grant williams?
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Renner is curious too
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Getting Durant was far from organic. People still not letting Durant live that down
I'm not hand-waving the Warrior's competency, especially with draft and player development
I am saying that is not the full story. No matter how much people try to act like it is.
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To be honest, the one thing I give full credit to the Warriors that raised their ceiling the most and made them a championship-level team last season was..........getting rid of Kelly Oubre
Probably as impactful as when they signed Durant
Been preaching the gospel too...
Probably as impactful as when they signed Durant
Been preaching the gospel too...
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It's basically unheard of in today's NBA for a team to have 3 draft picks in two years completely max out their talent while fitting perfectly together and then the team being able to keep all of them for long term tenures like what happened with the Warriors with Steph, Klay and Draymond. So I definitely think its fair to say that the Warriors have had some very good furtune in this run. But I don't see it as criticism. Like
Vincent Van Goat
said, you can point to "lucky" factors with almost all sports dynasties.
Vincent Van Goat
said, you can point to "lucky" factors with almost all sports dynasties.
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Not really that far though
When you build the way they did, attracting a player like Durant is all connected
I'm not saying you're ignoring the Warriors' savvy moves/development, just pointing out the fact that a lot of dynasties are lucky. Luck is almost a must in these things
I think most Warriors fans will admit they had a lot of good fortune
At the same time many other orgs have also had great fortune and nothing's come of it
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Cameron Boozer playing Bronny James on ESPN 2 right now
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Man I can smell the lotion activated from the thighs rubbing through the screen.
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This seems like a really charitable take on the Durant situation that the majority of people don't give. A lot of people still knock KD for that move.
Ok, even if that were the case...
And what did the Warriors do to make the TV deal expire at a fortunate time, for the new deal to be a major increase, and then for the teams to reject cap smoothing which lead to a cap jump that gave them the opportunity to upgrade from Harrison Barnes to KD?
Like this started with one Warriors fan responding to my joke about the Warriors by claiming the Warriors are just draft picks and a player no one wanted (Wiggins), and then another person claimed the only real break they got was being able to re-up Steph on a discount. I think their success, and fortunes, extend beyond those things.
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I missed anyone saying it's the only reason...but it is BY FAR the most important reason they are where they are. Everything starts w/ the core of Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green.
Kevin Durant wanted to play w/ the Warriors...because of THAT core. I'm missing how building a team that players want to play for constitutes as a "break". Working out a sign and trade when he wanted to leave wasn't a break. The Nets had their incentive for why they wanted to do it also.
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As for Wiggins...we're certainly not about to re-write the book on him. His stock was very low when that trade was made. You referenced his numbers prior to joining GS that year and left out soooooo much context. This is why it's important to look beyond PPG, RPG, APG in a vacuum, because it excludes efficiency. What was supposed to be a fresh start after Jimmy Butler, started off well...and Andrew Wiggins was on FIRE to start the season. He then progressively got worse after the month of November and was getting booed at home.
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The overwhelming consensus on here and in general was that Minnesota won that trade and Wiggins was one of the worst contracts in the league, if not THE worst. There certainly weren't teams lining up to trade for Andrew Wiggins. Extracting peak value out of him enough to win a championship while revamping his image and reputation was certainly not luck or a break.
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i'm sure teams wanted wiggs' production but a lot of media called his 5years/$150 million an untradable "albatross" even with his 22/5/3. i don't like myself for appreciating a billionaire but props to Lacob for being willing to stay competitive at all costs, even if it meant dipping into the luxury tax to have a 15-win season followed by a loss in the play-in round.
it makes sense for warriors' fans to have a "made it out the mud" mentality. save for a few seasons, that franchise was a doormat for 40 consecutive years with frugal nickel and diming ownership. they became free agent destination because they drafted three future HoFers in almost successive drafts. Iggy was the first to know.
if we could play revisionist history, say if the spurs hadn't drafted kawhi, would they have been similarly as active in the free agent/trade market to extend the duncan-manu-parker dynasty?
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Even the post you were originally replying to, there's a lot of truth to it
There's a lot of truth to what you're also saying as well
But
Wiggins was viewed as an albatross contract at the time. Sure he wasn't Russ level as a player but I don't think anyone was trying to trade for Wiggins. The pick was kind of the prize of the trade
The fact that they rehabbed Wiggins is still impressive
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Im going to be really interested to see how good a Warriors playoff defense is without Draymond.
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Didn't read Varnell or Moe's posts before mine lol but they explained it better than I did
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That's what I've been saying... Even their regular season success tbh
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They aren’t going to move him this year because of this. Can’t risk it when you’re trying to repeat. He’s too important.
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Looking ahead to next season... this year def their swan song. Hope Green plays nice, the repeat is def right there for the taking
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well yah I get that, but if they don't bring extend him.
people are making it seem like it's a done deal no Draymond extension.
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