Originally Posted by
tokes99
Originally Posted by
emmanuelabor
never wear them wrote:
Sneaker art wouldve evolved eventually..... That simple... We would not be stuck in a world of chucks.... Tinker was the first to step up... That's it. His view on shoe designs were ahead of his time tho.
we might not be stuck in a world of Chucks, but we might be stuck in a world of Dada or Reebok.
what Im saying is that I kinda feel like alot of what Nike is today was built off Tinker's design process. Sure others MAY have surpassed him now, but there is the distinct possiblity that his design style made them look at shoes differently, and thus influence what theyre coming out with now
1. what makes nike what it is today & really separates nike from the other brands is primarily that they market, promote, & tell their story better than everyone else...and they stay consistent with the message, that they make innovative product(s) for athletes; so they always have a connection to sport/sport lifestyle...it was a confluence of factors that built the empire, the designs while influential, were not the main factor(s) as much as the philosophy that nike seems to have about the product(s) they make...
2. rockdeep's point is one i always bring up when i have these discussions about favorite designers, the fact that tinker had the blessing of designing for the most influential athlete in the modern era (at least when it comes to selling product) always gives me pause, because despite all that tinker (just look at all those patents!) has done for nike, the reason we know his name is because of jordan
3. a world of dada or reebok? would that be a bad thing?...those places have designers too, that work just as hard
granted we are talking about nike, but there have been plenty of influential designers @ nike (& with other brands as well, who aren't as well known, whose names we don't & will prolly never know like the aforementioned E. Scott Morris, Bruce Kilgore, Scott Hewett, Kyle Pulli, Jon Morris, etc)...man i wish kicksology was still around...
i can't really put one in front on the other....but if i had to choose, i'd rock with avar as my#1...with tinker 1a
1. I guess you could say that, but would you agree that the whole visible air concept really helped Nike along? Wasnt Tinker responsible for that? I mean Im not dicussing who made Nike what it is on a business level, Im speaking strictly on the level of designers and potential influences.
2. is designing for Jordan really a blessing? I'd say its a gift and a curse. if anything, I could argue that Tinker is as important to Jordans sneaker legacy as Jordan is himself. Look at the popularity of the Jordan shoes NOT designed by Tinker vs. shoes he did design, and consider the large percentage of sneaker consumers doesnt have a clue nor care who Tinker is. Look at Lebron and Kobe. theyre both huge stars, yet their shoes dont sell nearly as well as Jordan in his playing days. that could be attributed to a number of things, but to assume that just because a person is designing for the flagship player(s) of the company is a blessing is a stretch in my opinion.
3. would it be a bad thing? Maybe. how many pairs of Dada's and Reebok do you own compared to Nike? Are you saying that Dada and Reebok have designs that are consistantly comparable to Nike? I never said they dont have designers that work just as hard, so Im not sure why you even took that angle and I really dont see what work ethic has to do with it.