ACA: Affordable Care Act (better known as OBAMACARE) - Enrollment Starts October 1st - You In?

[andycrazn]

 

[superblytrife]

Great answer. You people are so ******g difficult.

Dat irony.

I just watched Republicans grill a lady for hours about a website. A WEBSITE. Not a law. A website.

Yes, everyone knows the site is a piece of **** website by now. Whoever was in charge needs to be dummy smacked for the atrocity that healthcare.gov is. But do we really need to call special committees and launch investigations (aka spend YOUR tax dollars) into WHY it sucks? Any rational person would answer that with a simple "no" because the simple fact that it's a cluster**** of a site says it all. Finding out why it failed isn't going to change the fact that the ACA is the law of the land.

But in an attempt to grandstand, Republicans want to make a show out if it for all the world to see. They failed to stop ACA from becoming the law of the land. They failed a few weeks ago with the government shutdown situation. So now their only hope is to go in as hard as they can on a website. NOT THE LAW....a website.

And Democrats are being difficult? If the law is that bad, let it run it's course, fall flat on its face and then tell everyone "I told you so". But for ***** sake, sit the **** down about this website already. We all know they ****** it up, but that has nothing to do with the actual law itself. But Republicans are doing their best to equate the two because, well, that's all they have left. Enough already.

 

[heliumclinton]

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Poor you, your policy is getting change. What a crime right?

 

[crcballer55]

Serious question, can this be repealed?

Also, crazy how this thread has been ignored when everyone on this site is going to be influenced by this in one way or another.

Theoretically? Yes, it just wouldn't be under Obama. Practically? No, because government has never taken away something this big before and the congress & President knew that. People have been screaming about Social Security going broke for over 20 years now, but when Bush tried to allow people to contribute their Social Security money to private investments the Congress cried that it would bankrupt the system because they already knew it was a ponzi system and might bring down the system under their watch instead of kicking the can down the road (which is what you want if you're an elected official)

 

[secretzofwar]

As a healthy, self-insured 24-year old, I paid $225/mo for a fantastic $1k deductible 100% coverage plan from BCBS.

After Obamacare? $250/mo.

11% higher? I can deal with that if it lowers the cost burden on those less fortunate than I. And this is for THE best coverage I could get.

I recently had an incredibly expensive ankle surgery after suffering a freak accident. I had already met my deductible, so the total out of pocket cost? $12. Well worth the 11% increase.

 

[superb]

GOOD THING ABOUT HEALTH REFORM, IF YOU DON USE YOUR INSURANCE MUCH THEY SEND REFUND CHECKS TO YOU AT END OF YEAR, ALSO PREVENTIVE CARE AND MEDS REQUIRE NO DEDUCTIBLE NOW

sorry caps

 

[rillo561]

Why repeal it? Is there an alternative? How come this was OK when it was a GOP plan, but once Obama backed it became "evil" and it's going to "destroy America".

To everyone that's against it in this thread, please give some alternatives to ACA. Besides single payer because, you know, that's socialist.

 

[ninjahood]

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Poor you, your policy is getting change. What a crime right?

We're not born cars, we're humans...you dont have to

Drive...apple & oranges.

 

[ninjahood]

Great answer. You people are so ******g difficult.

Wait till da midterms of 2014...

 

[rillo561]

Theoretically? Yes, it just wouldn't be under Obama. Practically? No, because government has never taken away something this big before and the congress & President knew that. People have been screaming about Social Security going broke for over 20 years now, but when Bush tried to allow people to contribute their Social Security money to private investments the Congress cried that it would bankrupt the system because they already knew it was a ponzi system and might bring down the system under their watch instead of kicking the can down the road (which is what you want if you're an elected official)

Yeah I believe that was in '08. We all know what happened in '08, SS shouldn't be privatized.

 

[andycrazn]

Why repeal it? Is there an alternative? How come this was OK when it was a GOP plan, but once Obama backed it became "evil" and it's going to "destroy America".

To everyone that's against it in this thread, please give some alternatives to ACA. Besides single payer because, you know, that's socialist.

its not a democrat vs republican thing with me. i hate when government grows and tells us what to do word to bloomberg with the soft drinks issue. so go back to that flow chart i posted and tell me whats so great about ACA.

the healthcare industry sucked before ACA and it sucks with ACA. why? the insurance companies are the ones telling us that we NEED insurance and why the hell do we have the kind of system where we know the PRICE AFTER we had the care? i dont get that when i go to the mechanics, or to the vet.


http://kfor.com/2013/07/08/okc-hospital-posting-surgery-prices-online/

Oklahoma City hospital posts surgery prices online; creates bidding war

OKLAHOMA CITY – An Oklahoma City surgery center is offering a new kind of price transparency, posting guaranteed all-inclusive surgery prices online. The move is revolutionizing medical billing in Oklahoma and around the world.

Dr. Keith Smith and Dr. Steven Lantier launched Surgery Center of Oklahoma 15 years ago, founded on the simple principle of price honesty.

“What we’ve discovered is health care really doesn’t cost that much,” Dr. Smith said. “What people are being charged for is another matter altogether.”

Surgery Center of Oklahoma started posting their prices online about four years ago.

Click here to see the online prices at Surgery Center of Oklahoma.

The prices are all-inclusive quotes and they are guaranteed.

“When we first started we thought we were about half the price of the hospitals,” Dr. Lantier remembers. “Then we found out we’re less than half price. Then we find out we’re a sixth to an eighth of what their prices are. I can’t believe the average person can afford health care at these prices.”

Their goal was to start a price war and they did.

Their first out-of-town patients came from Canada; soon everyday Americans caught on.

Matthew Gang, 22, tore his patella tendon, dislocating his knee-cap playing basketball earlier this year.

Gang is from California and he is uninsured.

Surgery in his home-state was going to be about $30,000.

The posted price at Surgery Center of Oklahoma was $5,700, one-fifth the price.

Matthew and his father Tom Gang flew from California to Oklahoma for surgery.

“It was well worth it,” Tom Gang said. “I need a rotator cuff surgery right now. I’m thinking about flying out there and having my surgery because it was such a positive experience for us.”

A handful of other Oklahoma medical facilities have started joining Surgery Center of Oklahoma in price transparency:

McBride Orthopedic Hospital
Oklahoma Heart Hospital
Cancer Specialists of Oklahoma
Breast Imaging of Oklahoma
Comprehensive Diagnostic Imaging

Surgery Center of Oklahoma does accept private insurance, but the center does not accept Medicaid or Medicare.

Dr. Smith said federal Medicare regulation would not allow for their online price menu.

They have avoided government regulation and control in that area by choosing not to accept Medicaid or Medicare payments.

Several medical facilities in Oklahoma are posting their prices online through The Kempton Group’s website, in order to circumvent that Medicare guideline.

The Kempton Group is a third-party administrator for self-funded health insurance plans in Oklahoma and Texas.

Click here for a list of Oklahoma facilities which offer online pricing through The Kempton Group.

“The key to this is really about empowering employees.” Kempton Group President and CEO J. Wayne Kempton said.

Some Hospital administrators accuse the surgery center of cherry-picking the healthiest and wealthiest patients.

Oklahoma Hospital Association President, Craig Jones, supports transparency in theory.

Jones calls the issue “complicated” and does not expect major metro hospitals to offer online price menus in the future.

“Where we can reveal information that’s meaningful to the patient, we very much support that; that’s what hospitals need to do,” Jones said. “The difficulty when you compare hospitals with surgery centers is that surgery centers, most of the work they do are elective procedures which are a bit more predictable.”

The difference in price is staggering.

News Channel 4′s Ali Meyer obtained bills from the metro’s three largest medical centers: Mercy Medical Center, Integris Baptist Medical Center and OU Medical Center.

Mercy Hospital charged $16, 244 for a breast biopsy; the procedure will cost $3,500 at Surgery Center of Oklahoma.
OU Medical Center billed $20,456 for the open repair of a fracture; the procedure will cost $4,855 at Surgery Center of Oklahoma.
OU Medical Center billed $21,556 for a gall bladder removal surgery; the procedure will cost $5,865 at Surgery Center of Oklahoma.
OU Medical Center billed $23,934 for an ankle arthroscopy; the procedure will cost $3,740 at Surgery Center of Oklahoma.
Integris Baptist billed $37,174 for a hysterectomy; the surgery costs $8,000 at Surgery Center of Oklahoma.

“I think there’s a tendency to over-simplify the issue of price transparency but there’s no doubt that hospitals are and need to be more accountable to the public,” Jones said. “To try to make the services and the businesses that they carry out more understandable.”

According to the hospital association, about half of Oklahoma’s hospitals are losing money.

However, the metro’s largest hospitals, which are building free-standing emergency rooms and satellite facilities, are not on that list.

“The ‘haves’ seem to be doing a little bit better and the ‘have-nots’ seem to be doing a little bit worse,” Jones said.

However prices may be dropping because of the transparency at Surgery Center of Oklahoma.

As patients are demanding price-matching, some hospitals relent.

“Hospitals are having to match our prices because patients are printing their prices and holding that in one hand and holding a ticket to Oklahoma City in the other hand and asking that hospital to step up,” Dr. Smith said. “So we’re actually causing a deflationary effect on pricing all over the United States.”

The economics are not simple.

But for patients who are finding ways to save on medical care, that seems to be all that matters.

 

[rell826]

Car insurance =/= healthcare. But you knew that right?

According to Forbes numbers based off of the Obama administration estimate, around 93 million Americans will lose their coverage.

 

[deuce king]

 

Great answer. You people are so ******g difficult.

Wait till da midterms of 2014...

You said the same thing for the presidential race in 2012, what happened then champ??

 

[ninjahood]

 

Great answer. You people are so ******g difficult.

Wait till da midterms of 2014...

You said the same thing for the presidential race in 2012, what happened then champ??

This is a NON Presidential election cycle in 2014..

Last one that occurred was 2010, & we all know what

Happened there.

 

[rell826]

 

[rillo561]

So basically NO alternative.

Website=\=healthcare.

 

[deuce king]

 

 

 

Great answer. You people are so ******g difficult.

Wait till da midterms of 2014...

You said the same thing for the presidential race in 2012, what happened then champ??

This is a NON Presidential election cycle in 2014..

Last one that occurred was 2010, & we all know what

Happened there.

Looking at the polls champ, things aren't looking to good for your Republican brethren as a whole.  Might be time to start thinking about Plan B my man. 

 

[ninjahood]

 

 

 

Great answer. You people are so ******g difficult.

Wait till da midterms of 2014...

You said the same thing for the presidential race in 2012, what happened then champ??

This is a NON Presidential election cycle in 2014..


Last one that occurred was 2010,

Looking at the polls champ, things aren't looking to good for your Republican brethren as a whole.  Might be time to start thinking about Plan B my man. 

Rings hollow when that website STILL doesnt work

& obama just bait & switch folks with da "if you like

Your plan you can keep it"

Obama's negatives now outweigh his positives for

Da first time in his whole presidency.

2014 shaping up to be another 2010.

 

[Nike Jordan]

As a fellow Black man, why do you hate Obama so much?

 

[ninjahood]

 
 why do you hate Obama so much?

his policies suck, i could care less if it was a robot running da white house.

as soon as i saw him try to pass cap and trade in 2010 i knew it was bout that European style socialist cloth...

 

[deuce king]

Rings hollow when that website STILL doesnt work

& obama just bait & switch folks with da "if you like

Your plan you can keep it"

Obama's negatives now outweigh his positives for

Da first time in his whole presidency.

2014 shaping up to be another 2010.

The website will be fixed and running by the end of next month.  You and your Republican brethren are going to have to come up with something else (Plan B) champ.  No to mention President Obama will not be on the ballot in 2014 but the Republican party/brand will be.  With that being said, currently things aren't looking too good for your boys muchacho.  The Republican and Tea Party brand is at an all-time low.  I suggest you join the winning team my man before it's too late

.

 

[rell826]

As much as you like to pretend to be on your pro black ******** at times, you should be well aware of what Malcolm X said about the "winning team".

 

[ninjahood]

 

Rings hollow when that website STILL doesnt work

& obama just bait & switch folks with da "if you like

Your plan you can keep it"

Obama's negatives now outweigh his positives for

Da first time in his whole presidency.

2014 shaping up to be another 2010.

The website will be fixed and running by the end of next month.  You and your Republican brethren are going to have to come up with something else (Plan B) champ.  No to mention President Obama will not be on the ballot in 2014 but the Republican party/brand will be.  With that being said, currently things aren't looking too good for your boys muchacho.  The Republican and Tea Party brand is at an all-time low.  I suggest you join the winning team my man before it's too late

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oh please, every single democrat that has a vulnerable senate seat is advocating a delay because their *** is on da line in 2014 midterm elections, 

it doesn't matter that obama

isn't on da ballot, thats actually a GREAT thing, because it leave all those non descrip senate seats in coal country where da EPA harassing, and obamacare fall out is gonna

get picked off one by one till obama is lame duck status...its looking BAD for ya

 

[sundoobie]

his policies suck, i could care less if it was a robot running da white house.

as soon as i saw him try to pass cap and trade in 2010 i knew it was bout that European style socialist cloth...

All his policies suck?

What about the tax policy he passed to help those taxpayers that short sale their homes and were able to cancel their debt? The Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act and Debt Cancellation. That didn't help millions of taxpayers during the housing crisis?

What about the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure (CARD) Act of 2009, that stopped interest rate increases, hidden fees, late fees traps, etc..

What about the Helping Families Save Their Homes Act that provided protection to renters whose homes were foreclosed?

What about the Fair Sentencing Act that helped millions of minorities serve less time in prison due to the disparity of sentencing between crack and cocaine?

I am not saying that he shouldn't receive a ton of criticism also for some of his bonehead decisions but for the most part, his policies that help us average Americans has been very beneficial.

But I know how you're going to respond with the typical Republican answer... yah yah yah but he's still a socialist, he's not even American, he's a Muslim, he's the Anti-Christ,

 

[ninjahood]

 

his policies suck, i could care less if it was a robot running da white house.

as soon as i saw him try to pass cap and trade in 2010 i knew it was bout that European style socialist cloth...

All his policies suck?

What about the tax policy he passed to help those taxpayers that short sale their homes and were able to cancel their debt? The Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act and Debt Cancellation. That didn't help millions of taxpayers during the housing crisis?

What about the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure (CARD) Act of 2009, that stopped interest rate increases, hidden fees, late fees traps, etc..

What about the Helping Families Save Their Homes Act that provided protection to renters whose homes were foreclosed?

What about the Fair Sentencing Act that helped millions of minorities serve less time in prison due to the disparity of sentencing between crack and cocaine?

I am not saying that he shouldn't receive a ton of criticism also for some of his bonehead decisions but for the most part, his policies that help us average Americans has been very beneficial.

But I know how you're going to respond with the typical Republican answer... yah yah yah but he's still a socialist, he's not even American, he's a Muslim, he's the Anti-Christ,

da man's economic policies are ideologue driven...... its no wonder we're da recovery that resembles molasses...