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ART DISCUSSION: What is art? Who/what inspires you?
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wrong.
1. not all art portrays reality.
2. a lot of it is created from within, using references to replicate, but not imitate.
and even if something is "imitated," perception will always be relative. when looking at the same (tangible) "thing", what i see and what you see are completely different. the first element i notice is probably different than the one you notice. my "reality" is different from yours, making art a unique interpretation of perspective, not life.
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I AM RUNNING ON CARGO: SHAYNA BATYA ON CARGO
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cargo collective is nice but Virb is also very good. I chose virb over cargo collective simply because it was just ridiculously easy to set up. It's a $10 a month so really, it's not that much. I launched two different sites under virb (virb.com), I liked the themes and customization features they offered there as well.
www.comeroamwithme.com
www.upsetspecialistphoto.com
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Some of those shots in the ROAM photoset are VERY nice. What kind of setup are you working with for your photography? I'm assuming you're shooting with a 35mm and, judging by the grain, ISO3200 film? Did you choose to shoot such grainy film during the day since you were doing street photography and needed the extra speed? or was it more for the aesthetics of the grain?
Good +$*+ though
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Originally Posted by Boys Noize
I love this piece. So beautifully minimalist. It's a part of the world yet it tells nothing about the world.
Flashbacks of Jasper Johns' "Flag" come to mind.
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your photography is awesome. wow! i'm especially in love with your shadow/reflection shots - do you know lee friedlander's work? he always found an interesting way to include his own shadow.
when looking your pics, i'm also reminded of garry winogrand... just a realness to the photographs, they put me right there.
And on the topic of cargo - being that it is a collective, it is a GREAT way to meet new artists and connect with them. Cargo's community alone will ensure traffic.
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Thanks, man. I don't really have 'set-up', for me it's really lack there ofOriginally Posted by Boys Noize
Some of those shots in the ROAM photoset are VERY nice. What kind of setup are you working with for your photography? I'm assuming you're shooting with a 35mm and, judging by the grain, ISO3200 film? Did you choose to shoot such grainy film during the day since you were doing street photography and needed the extra speed? or was it more for the aesthetics of the grain?
Good +$*+ though
I do rock with 35mm. I mess with my Minolta x-700, been using it for almost a decade now and aside from couple repairs, it's been solid. Now as far as film goes, I shoot with almost strictly with ISO 400. With ROAM series, it was all ISO 400, Fuji Neopan. I overdevelop them so that it would eliminate any grays but bring up whites and blacks. I wouldn't tell you how long I over develop them that's little secret of mine
I also use high number of filter like #4 and #5 when I'm in darkroom, printing. I just like grains because it give a surrealistic effect in everyday environment. It's a regular street at the end of the day but as a photographer, I am incline to give something to the audience about the world as I see it. That doesn't mean I don't see my everyday so grainy (I would need a pair of glasses then) but I think whether you are into art or not, we are all incline to look at something 'different'.
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Man, stop talking to me about Friedlander. Friedlander have been my HERO for a long time. His self-portraits are hilarious to me. Winogrand is awesome as well, it's unbelievable that there are films that he shot that still hasn't even DEVELOPED yet. It's crazy to know just how many rolls of films he shot when he was doing his thing. I love Winogrand.Originally Posted by DJ bana
your photography is awesome. wow! i'm especially in love with your shadow/reflection shots - do you know lee friedlander's work? he always found an interesting way to include his own shadow.
when looking your pics, i'm also reminded of garry winogrand... just a realness to the photographs, they put me right there.
And on the topic of cargo - being that it is a collective, it is a GREAT way to meet new artists and connect with them. Cargo's community alone will ensure traffic.
I don't restrict with genres or whatever when it comes down to photography because my thing is like 'give me the damn camera, I'll stand behind it and do work' but I gotta tell you, I LOVE street photography and those who've been in the game doing their things for a long time.
Lee Friedlander is one of my favorite so is some of these people below...
Walker Evans
Robert Capa
Daido Moriyama
Nobuyoshi Araki
Josef Koudelka
Mario Giacomelli
Boogie (!!!!)
Lisette Model
William Klein
William Klein, Koudelka and Moriyama are my top three but list can go on and no one puts it down better than Boogie does in terms of street photography right now. He's killing it.
and Weegee > Weezy. I'm just saying
Thanks
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nice photos DJ.
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Very cool. When I shoot 35mm, I usually run with ISO 400 too and I also use filters #4 and #5 so this is blowing my mind as to how you're getting this really clear grain shooting in the day lightOriginally Posted by parasight21
Thanks, man. I don't really have 'set-up', for me it's really lack there ofOriginally Posted by Boys Noize
Some of those shots in the ROAM photoset are VERY nice. What kind of setup are you working with for your photography? I'm assuming you're shooting with a 35mm and, judging by the grain, ISO3200 film? Did you choose to shoot such grainy film during the day since you were doing street photography and needed the extra speed? or was it more for the aesthetics of the grain?
Good +$*+ though
I do rock with 35mm. I mess with my Minolta x-700, been using it for almost a decade now and aside from couple repairs, it's been solid. Now as far as film goes, I shoot with almost strictly with ISO 400. With ROAM series, it was all ISO 400, Fuji Neopan. I overdevelop them so that it would eliminate any grays but bring up whites and blacks. I wouldn't tell you how long I over develop them that's little secret of mine
I also use high number of filter like #4 and #5 when I'm in darkroom, printing. I just like grains because it give a surrealistic effect in everyday environment. It's a regular street at the end of the day but as a photographer, I am incline to give something to the audience about the world as I see it. That doesn't mean I don't see my everyday so grainy (I would need a pair of glasses then) but I think whether you are into art or not, we are all incline to look at something 'different'.
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I love street photography. Y'all are naming some of the heavy hitters. Friedlander, Winogrand, Evans, Capa, Moriyama, Koudelka, Klein. Weegee.
I want to add to that of classic street photographers list:
Robert Frank
Henri Cartier-Bresson
Joel Meyerwitz
I'll have to check out Araki, Giacomelli, and Model.
Also, I'm loving some of the contemporary street view photography coming out.
Jon Rafman
Michael Wolf
Doug Rickard
I want to add to that of classic street photographers list:
Robert Frank
Henri Cartier-Bresson
Joel Meyerwitz
I'll have to check out Araki, Giacomelli, and Model.
Also, I'm loving some of the contemporary street view photography coming out.
Jon Rafman
Michael Wolf
Doug Rickard
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Anyone into conceptual art? Has anyone been to the dia in beacon NY? I went there... tripping on ... you know
Richard Serra's pieces took me to another planet.
And Sol Lewitt's wall drawings had me
Richard Serra's pieces took me to another planet.
And Sol Lewitt's wall drawings had me
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I love conceptual art. I believe all art is conceptual art. The color red is a concept, just as much as Duchamp's Fountain is a concept. But that is a next level conversation.
The dia beacon is so dank. Anybody in NY state, go check it out. It's next to the hudson in Beacon, NY:
http://www.diabeacon.org/
I could only imagine being there tripping in another dimension. Sounds fun.
If you are into drugz and art ( I recommend both), check out Fred Tomaselli:
pills/drugs embeding in the resin of the painting. Y'all gotta see these in person.
The dia beacon is so dank. Anybody in NY state, go check it out. It's next to the hudson in Beacon, NY:
http://www.diabeacon.org/
I could only imagine being there tripping in another dimension. Sounds fun.
If you are into drugz and art ( I recommend both), check out Fred Tomaselli:
pills/drugs embeding in the resin of the painting. Y'all gotta see these in person.
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close-up of the line work. Pills, shroom stems, cannabis leaves, more pills
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lol @ "if you are into drugs and art" -- the 2 are completely separate, but when together.. can create greatness.
BUT, on the topic of "trippy art"...
check out larry carlson.... dude is THE MAN!
also, a more famous "trippy" artist, alex grey.
BUT, on the topic of "trippy art"...
check out larry carlson.... dude is THE MAN!
also, a more famous "trippy" artist, alex grey.
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Originally Posted by Boys Noize
Finally wrapped this one. I thought I was going to be done last Friday... 20 hours later...
Luke - oil on canvas
36" x 48"
Also, I finally have a legit web portfolio. I'm still adding pieces to it (and I really need to photograph my work with something other than my iPhone) but I'm happy with it so far. Just need to buy my domain name and I'll be set.
http://cargocollective.com/darrylleung
I love Cargo. Followed you. Great work.
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for the redditors out there: http://www.reddit.com/r/wtfart
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those psychedelic works are nice. Andre Masson is my favorite artist who tried to use his subconscious by trippin'.
Cartier Brenson is amazing.
Cartier Brenson is amazing.
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By the way, to jump into the discussion that OP created in first place. I mean, at certain point it's really like beating a dead horse talking about what is art and what separates art from craft (how are you going to deal with 'folk art'?).
Those who aren't really up to all of this gibberish (because it really become sound like a gibberish at some point whether you actually studies this or not, TRUST ME). Read some Kandinsky and John Berger's on how to look and enjoy art. Berger's 'Way of Seeing' is a classic read for understanding art. Read up on some philosophers especially Michele Foucault and Roland Barthes because they wrote and lectured ton of stuff relating to art/art criticism. Barthes has some great writings on photography. It's not must but it does help to a some degree.
I believe, and it's my only belief, that art serves itself as a frontline for the society. Meaning, artworks speak to the rest of the world that 'this is how far you can push for and anything under this line, you are totally safe'. It doesn't just restrict in conceptual, contemporary, neo-whatever, post-blah blah blah art scene. It's also apparent in popular art scene or even in music. NWA made records that got them a warning from FBI, Public Enemy made a record that gave people an awareness about state of Arizona and their celebration (or actually, not celebrating) of MLK day. Before all the politics involving trends, curatorships and all that junk, what art allowing people to do is to stimulate their brain in a different way, more complex way to see things or at least allow people to see certain issues closer than they have been before. And that can be really whatever from, your inner thoughts, environmental issues, OWS, inequality, soccer chants, mundaneness and so on. One of more interesting medium that I'm drawn into right now is media art. I don't really know whole lot of media artist but I'm really into concept. It's attempting to find something humanistic touch in sea of electronica music, lan-lines, internet and touch screen extravaganza. It's total geek chic and it can be painfully hit-or-miss but I think the basic approach is really interesting.
I understand people are numb or indifferent about it and to a certain extent, I am too. I graduated with BFA in photography not too long ago and really I'm more interested in rooting for my alumni's basketball team in NCAA tournaments or wishing my football team would end up in a bowl game but I think art can allow people a different view or even a cooler view on way we look at not only on things but on the world in general. Something that we really haven't thought of or aren't really aware of. Art is the gateway to those uncovered parts of world. That's what I believe.
And those who are 'artist' themselves, don't give yourself titles (this is especially for those who are finishing or just finished BFA) but have whole lot of fun. If you are having the most fun, somehow, someway, people will recognize you one by one and soon enough the title will follow your name.
Those who aren't really up to all of this gibberish (because it really become sound like a gibberish at some point whether you actually studies this or not, TRUST ME). Read some Kandinsky and John Berger's on how to look and enjoy art. Berger's 'Way of Seeing' is a classic read for understanding art. Read up on some philosophers especially Michele Foucault and Roland Barthes because they wrote and lectured ton of stuff relating to art/art criticism. Barthes has some great writings on photography. It's not must but it does help to a some degree.
I believe, and it's my only belief, that art serves itself as a frontline for the society. Meaning, artworks speak to the rest of the world that 'this is how far you can push for and anything under this line, you are totally safe'. It doesn't just restrict in conceptual, contemporary, neo-whatever, post-blah blah blah art scene. It's also apparent in popular art scene or even in music. NWA made records that got them a warning from FBI, Public Enemy made a record that gave people an awareness about state of Arizona and their celebration (or actually, not celebrating) of MLK day. Before all the politics involving trends, curatorships and all that junk, what art allowing people to do is to stimulate their brain in a different way, more complex way to see things or at least allow people to see certain issues closer than they have been before. And that can be really whatever from, your inner thoughts, environmental issues, OWS, inequality, soccer chants, mundaneness and so on. One of more interesting medium that I'm drawn into right now is media art. I don't really know whole lot of media artist but I'm really into concept. It's attempting to find something humanistic touch in sea of electronica music, lan-lines, internet and touch screen extravaganza. It's total geek chic and it can be painfully hit-or-miss but I think the basic approach is really interesting.
I understand people are numb or indifferent about it and to a certain extent, I am too. I graduated with BFA in photography not too long ago and really I'm more interested in rooting for my alumni's basketball team in NCAA tournaments or wishing my football team would end up in a bowl game but I think art can allow people a different view or even a cooler view on way we look at not only on things but on the world in general. Something that we really haven't thought of or aren't really aware of. Art is the gateway to those uncovered parts of world. That's what I believe.
And those who are 'artist' themselves, don't give yourself titles (this is especially for those who are finishing or just finished BFA) but have whole lot of fun. If you are having the most fun, somehow, someway, people will recognize you one by one and soon enough the title will follow your name.
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^^^
Woah.
Woah.
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parasight dropping knowledge.
Looks like adsense can sense this thread.
Looks like adsense can sense this thread.
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^ I'm visiting the SFMOMA tomorrow to view the Richard Serra retrospective actually
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Too bad you are going on a sunday, I don't think any of of the galleries near sfMOMA will be open. I'd recommend walking through all of the 49 Geary building. The Stephen Wirtz gallery is especially cool.
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I've spent half my life in San Francisco and I have no idea how I haven't heard of 49 Geary. I'll check it out next time I'm back in town.
