kobefan88
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First thing I said in the thread: After the Jordan era, Kobe is the best player not named Tim Duncan, Steve Nash, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, or Kevin Garnett since MJ.
Congrats Due: Kobe, youngest to 20,000 points
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Word to that then.
My bad.
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this post has turned into a mess complete with an appearance from 3pledouble
darthska
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^ The first time you quoted me, you failed. You tried to laugh at my omission of Shaq's name, and then you bailed on that argument.
Now you're quoting the same thing again, but tryng a new argument: that Nash, Melo, and Wade don't belong in the sentence.
You fail again, because I already explained my opinion on that one:
Now you're quoting the same thing again, but tryng a new argument: that Nash, Melo, and Wade don't belong in the sentence.
You fail again, because I already explained my opinion on that one:
Kobe Bryant is the best player never to win any sort of MVP.
That's the highest compliment I can give him at this point.
Duncan? Nash? Dwyane? Garnett? Hell, Chauncey? MVPs. LeBron? ROTY. 'Melo? O.K., that's just a personal opinion, so I have nothing to back it up.
But Kobe? His 'ROTY + MVPs Trophies Room' is as decorated as the 'Suns Championship Trophies' room.
Try not to ditch our effort so quickly this time.
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While he may be the youngest ever, Kobe is still the third fastest player to 20,000 pts in terms of games played......
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kobe is a great offensive player but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
dude is not touching mj's airness.
only thing kobe has over mj is 3pt out of every aspect of basketball.
dude is not touching mj's airness.
only thing kobe has over mj is 3pt out of every aspect of basketball.
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Opinions are like you know what... I think Pippen is the best even not to win MVP, I'm sure no one here agrees with me on that.
kobefan88
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^ Barkley won MVP in 93
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kobefan88
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nobody really knows how good pippen was
every year him and mike won the championship he was the second best player in the league
and he shoulda got the MVP in '94
yup
darthska
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Kobe Bryant is the best player never to win any sort of MVP.
That's the highest compliment I can give him at this point.
Duncan? Nash? Dwyane? Garnett? Hell, Chauncey? MVPs. LeBron? ROTY. 'Melo? O.K., that's just a personal opinion, so I have nothing to back it up.
But Kobe? His 'ROTY + MVPs Trophies Room' is as decorated as the 'Suns Championship Trophies' room.kobefan88 wrote:
by your logic, Nash, Chauncey, Lebron are better than Barkley, awesome, maybe next time I wont negate your argument so quickly. This is where you come in, quote a bunch of crap, think your right, call me wrong, then act high and mighty. Your entire argument for them being better is because they won a MVP, or in some cases ROTY or no MVPs. This is why people are laughing at you.
Why the personal attacks?Don't worry about me; worryabout your argument.
But you are wrong. You're too condescending and proud to actually conceded, so I don't expect you to go down easy.
But that still doesn't change your error.
#1- You've already admitted you were wrong about Chuck not being an MVP.
#2- Nash, Chauncey, and LeBron have been better than Barkley SINCE JORDAN RETIRED.
You do read English, right?
Because you are having a real rough time arguing a very simple sentence, bro. I'm... I'm starting to feel bad for you.
Now, like 1D said, I simply stated my opinion. You've challenged (and failed) three times to refute my opinion, but that still doesn't make me right.An opinion can't be right or wrong. It's just an opinion. But I'm calling you wrong because... well, Barkley IS an MVP, so you're wrong. AndLeBron, Wade, and Chauncey HAVE played better than Barley since Jordan retired. So you're wrong there, too.
P.S. If you have a problem with my style, "Let sleeping dogs lie.""Leave well enough alone."
Don't worry about me,then.Because if you're going to come at me instead of my argument,I think this place would be better off without you.
P.P.S. No, that's not a threat. Judging by your style (and pride), I would guess you would be quick to say something like, "See, look. Someone argueswith you and you threaten to ban them." Chill with that before the words come off your keyboard. I've had hundreds of arguments on here, and no onehas ever been banned for disagreeing with me. I'm just giving you an unofficial warning to chill with the problems you have with people when you'redebating something on here. Just a piece of advice. Do with it as you please.
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Kobe is the best individual player since Jordan, Shaq most dominate(while we can argue for Kobe), and Duncan the best winner.
Leave it alone folks. Lebron shouldn't be discussed he may not pass the record. What if he gets help on the Cavs to the point he averages 20 or less, 10dimes, and 7 boards? What if he gets injured for a stretch or injury plagued seasons?
We don't know and he still hasn't done anything to prove he can be in conversation with Kobe or anyone even more legendary than Kobe. Kobe is who ischasing and if he can eclipse that then he can think about Magic, Bird, Oscar, Wilt, Kareem, and Jordan.
But Kobe is still chasing those guys so...with probably another 10 years to his career and if Kobe does catch those guys winning a ring or two unless Lebron isabsolutely riidiculous and winning he won't catch Kobe if Kobe catches those guys.
Simple logic haters and fanboys.
Leave it alone folks. Lebron shouldn't be discussed he may not pass the record. What if he gets help on the Cavs to the point he averages 20 or less, 10dimes, and 7 boards? What if he gets injured for a stretch or injury plagued seasons?
We don't know and he still hasn't done anything to prove he can be in conversation with Kobe or anyone even more legendary than Kobe. Kobe is who ischasing and if he can eclipse that then he can think about Magic, Bird, Oscar, Wilt, Kareem, and Jordan.
But Kobe is still chasing those guys so...with probably another 10 years to his career and if Kobe does catch those guys winning a ring or two unless Lebron isabsolutely riidiculous and winning he won't catch Kobe if Kobe catches those guys.
Simple logic haters and fanboys.
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#2- Nash, Chauncey, and LeBron have been better than Barkley SINCE JORDAN RETIRED.
You do read English, right?
Because you are having a real rough time arguing a very simple sentence, bro. I'm... I'm starting to feel bad for you.
that would be an analogy, where I say an argument, and compare it to what you are arguing. Your argument = Nash, Chauncey, and Lebron> Kobebecause they have some sort of MVP or accolade (in Lebron's case, a ROTY) so I simply used the same argument you were using, which I admit I was wrongabout, to show you your flaw. But since that didn't work, I will go a different route.
But Kobe? His 'ROTY + MVPs Trophies Room' is as decorated as the 'Suns Championship Trophies' room.
Kobe= Allstar MVP. There he has a MVP award. So since you are now wronglol im ******ed.
But i was merely challenging the fact that I think it is dumb to say that someone is a greater INDIVIDUAL player than someone else because they won a MVP awardin a voting system that votes for the best player on the best team. I will agree that some of those players are more valuable than Kobe, but better, no. Valuability =/= best player, hence me laughing. The only reason I laugh is because people are going to look back at Nash's career and automatically assumethat since he has two MVP's he was as good as Malone, Shaq, Duncan.
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Props to Kobe
Hate him or love him, you gotta respect his game.
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But Kobe? His 'ROTY + MVPs Trophies Room' is as decorated as the 'Suns Championship Trophies' room.kobefan88 wrote:
Kobe= Allstar MVP. There he has a MVP award. So since you are now wronglol im ******ed.
But i was merely challenging the fact that I think it is dumb to say that someone is a greater INDIVIDUAL player than someone else because they won a MVP award in a voting system that votes for the best player on the best team. I will agree that some of those players are more valuable than Kobe, but better, no. Valuability =/= best player, hence me laughing. The only reason I laugh is because people are going to look back at Nash's career and automatically assume that since he has two MVP's he was as good as Malone, Shaq, Duncan.
I agree with that only because I don't think Nash should be a two-time winner.
The first year he won (on 15 ppg, 11 apg, and 3 rpg) should have gone to either Kidd (14, 8, and 7), Garnett (22, 5, and 13) or Duncan (20, 2, 11). Or evenShaq, who finished 2nd in voting with 22, 2 10.
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First off, MJ is a better offensive player then kobe. Period. MJ's effiency(sp?) is off the charts. I've watched mj score 40 plus without even workinghard. When Kobe scores 40, he has to do it making 5 to 7 threes in a game. MJ scored the same amount of points with no more then 2 treys in a game most of thetime. MJ in the post was also better than kobe. Kobe's handle, and if you want to give this category to him his shooting(even though mj wins this 2 imo)are the only things that kobe gets a slight edge in. Other than that, it really can't be any argument over who is better offensively and there REALLY ISNTAN ARGUMENT when comes down to who's the better player overall. Kobe is great, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
I do think he should have won an mvp award by now though. 05-06 yea you could argue that season. But no argument, in 02-03 I truly think he should have won itthat year no question.
Oh, and how can Bean be the best offensive player of all time when imo, AI is a better offensive player than him. He gets more assist and still manages to putup 30 plus. He's getting better as he gets older. Over the past few weeks he's been in the 30's in points and double figures in assists!. He'sbeen doing that his whole career. Oh yeah, people say you shouldn't throw his height into the discussion but c'mon, he's got the 3rd highestscoring average in NBA HISTORY and all this talk about 20,000 BUBBA did this a while back. And he's 5'10. AI>KOBE offensively. I've been aroundawhile and seen a lot of great offensive players but imo, MJ, AI, and KB, are the 3 best offensive players of all time.
I do think he should have won an mvp award by now though. 05-06 yea you could argue that season. But no argument, in 02-03 I truly think he should have won itthat year no question.
Oh, and how can Bean be the best offensive player of all time when imo, AI is a better offensive player than him. He gets more assist and still manages to putup 30 plus. He's getting better as he gets older. Over the past few weeks he's been in the 30's in points and double figures in assists!. He'sbeen doing that his whole career. Oh yeah, people say you shouldn't throw his height into the discussion but c'mon, he's got the 3rd highestscoring average in NBA HISTORY and all this talk about 20,000 BUBBA did this a while back. And he's 5'10. AI>KOBE offensively. I've been aroundawhile and seen a lot of great offensive players but imo, MJ, AI, and KB, are the 3 best offensive players of all time.
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^^PREACH!
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"When Kobe scores 40, he has to do it making 5 to 7 threes in a game."
False, I quit reading after that.
False, I quit reading after that.
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Best players since MJ:
Shaq
TD
KG
Kobe
in that order.
Lebron is about to be on top soon.
Thank you.
Shaq
TD
KG
Kobe
in that order.
Lebron is about to be on top soon.
Thank you.
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the way I see it is that MJ is "mom" and kobe is the "stepmom". MJ retired. Kobe started getting light and it sorta feels like he is tryingto fulfill the role as mom. I used to hate Kobe but then I realized I only did not like him because people and media compared him to MJ. Then as I got older Irealized his favorite player is probably jordan( today he named Jordan as his numba 1 in his top 5 all time players and I've seen him in a jordan jerseynumerous times and the shoes of course). I am still not of fan of Kobe but i respect him and congrats on the 20k.As much as I love Jordan as a basketballplayer, if i was as in the NBa I would try to be like Jordan(that impossible move you always wanted to do if you were in a NBA game) and try to transcend hisachievements. Maybe that is what Kobe is doing BTW, i am a Iverson fan.
Don't it ever get on ya'll nerves how every post we can never stay on topic. I know I am not helping but somebody has to say somethin
Don't it ever get on ya'll nerves how every post we can never stay on topic. I know I am not helping but somebody has to say somethin
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Not getting involved in the argument- Money dominated the L for damn near 2 decades (KB needs another 5+ years PLUS some more individual awards PLUS someadvancement in the playoffs to even be considered on that level). But it is pretty stupid how KB hasn't won an MVP yet.
02-03??
05-06??
06-07??
With the team he's got now, hopefully he'll get one.
02-03??
05-06??
06-07??
With the team he's got now, hopefully he'll get one.
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1.Wilt Chamberlain (499 games) during the 1965-66 season (7th NBA season)
2.Michael Jordan (620) January 08, 1993 vs Milwukee Bucks (9th)
3.Oscar Robertson (671) during the 1968-69 season (9th)
4.Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (684) during the 1976-77 season (9th)
5.Elgin Baylor (711) during the 1968-69 season (11th)
6.Allen Iverson (713) January 23, 2007 vs. Denver Nuggets (11th)
7.Jerry West (~720) during the 1970-71 season (11th)
8.Shaquille O'Neal (727) March 20, 2003 vs. Sacramento Kings (11th)
9.George Gervin (~745) during the 1985-86 season (10th)
10.Bob Petit (~760) November 13, 1964 (11th)
11.Dominique Wilkins (763) November 05, 1992 vs New York Knicks (10th)
12.Karl Malone (772) Jan 20, 1995 vs Cleveland Cavs (10th)
13.Adrian Dantley (775) December 11, 1987 vs. Washington Bullets (12th)
14.Larry Bird (809) Nov 20, 1990 vs Washington Bullets (12th)
15.Kobe Bryant (811) December 23, 2007 vs New York Knicks (12th)
2.Michael Jordan (620) January 08, 1993 vs Milwukee Bucks (9th)
3.Oscar Robertson (671) during the 1968-69 season (9th)
4.Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (684) during the 1976-77 season (9th)
5.Elgin Baylor (711) during the 1968-69 season (11th)
6.Allen Iverson (713) January 23, 2007 vs. Denver Nuggets (11th)
7.Jerry West (~720) during the 1970-71 season (11th)
8.Shaquille O'Neal (727) March 20, 2003 vs. Sacramento Kings (11th)
9.George Gervin (~745) during the 1985-86 season (10th)
10.Bob Petit (~760) November 13, 1964 (11th)
11.Dominique Wilkins (763) November 05, 1992 vs New York Knicks (10th)
12.Karl Malone (772) Jan 20, 1995 vs Cleveland Cavs (10th)
13.Adrian Dantley (775) December 11, 1987 vs. Washington Bullets (12th)
14.Larry Bird (809) Nov 20, 1990 vs Washington Bullets (12th)
15.Kobe Bryant (811) December 23, 2007 vs New York Knicks (12th)
