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[Master Zik]

But then what about Inception?

Inception isn't a superhero franchise. It was a sci-fi thriller. It will not have sequels or prequels or spinoffs. The cliffhanger was just one big nice mind ****. It's a cliffhanger that's suppose to make you think after you leave and even then the only options are it was reality and that was a happy ending or he's still stuck in limbo and just made up a happy ending for himself.

The rumor is like Marvel's post credit scenes DC will have cliffhangers at the end of their movies from sequel to sequel to franchise to franchise. Like I said that sounds like a pretty bad idea.

I'm not against cliffhangers in general, just in this format for this specific genre. We're not talking about cliffhangers in general. Usually they're great when done well but that's not a guarantee.

 

[rfx45]

Well I was speaking of cliff hangers in general and what it is but it really doesn't matter.

I still do not see a huge difference between a sci-fi over comic book film though when it comes to cliff hangers. We really never knew that Nolans Batman film was planned for a sequel, the same for the X2 (my other example), it's still suppose to make you think of what's to come next and a sequel that comes out a few years later shouldn't affect that, no matter what type of film it is. To me at least. Another example, Catching Fire, I know there are 2 more films after it and I never read the books so I do not know what happens next but the cliff hanger doesn't affect how I viewed the film, I still enjoyed it and had me wondering what is going to happen next. Again I think we are just viewing it differently.

I mean really Marvels "teasers" are borderline cliff hangers too, they just happen to do it after the credits instead of actually being part of the film before the credits roll. Some view SHIELD recruiting Tony at the end of IM as a cliff hanger, same with Thanos smirking at the end of Avengers. I think it's in that grey area and I do not really see why DC can't do that? Their plan is to simply put it in the end and their mid-credit scene be a short film, likely as an origin to the next hero they want to introduce.

I think we'd all have to see it to judge for ourselves because if their cliff hangers are just like the Avengers with Thanos and but instead it is Darkseid and it is at the end of the film instead of after the credits and it really isn't bad, is it? Marvel is doing the same thing in every film and I do not see how DC cannot do the same and be successful with it? Cliff hanger doesn't have to be in the end Batman gets stabbed by a parademon and then the screen goes black and it ends there, it doesn't have to be that big of a cliff hanger but that wouldn't be so bad of cliff hanger actually. There are degrees of cliff hangers, in this one a big cliff hanger that leads to a JL film where a boom tube opens up but at the end of the JL film, it can be a small cliff hanger like a scene where they show a vat in Lex's lab and they zoom in and just show a part of doomsdays boney fist and then it goes black. Doomsday cliff hanger is big in a Thanos way big but they do not necessarily have to address it in the next film, you just know it'll lead there. And so forth.

It's a waiting game to see what they pull off but I just do not see it being too bad at all unless they really just wanted to mess up the franchise and do something stupid, which I really wouldn't put past Goyer/DC at this point.

 

[rfx45]

More From Kevin Smith On Ben Affleck's MAN OF STEEL 2 Bat-Suit


“I talked about it on Hollywood Babble-On, but I have seen the suit. I did this Man Of Steel Yahoo, fan event when the DVD came out. I was hosting Zack Snyder was there, Amy Adams, we had Henry Cavill from satellite over in the UK, and you know it was all about Man of Steel. And at one point Zack talked a little bit about the future and Batman Vs Superman, but when the show was all done, Zack was all like ‘Kev come here, come here’, and he takes me over to the corner and whips out his phone, and he shows me a picture of Batman. Live action version of Batman. A very familiar Batman, I might add. It didn’t look like any of the cinematic Batmans that have ever gone before. He shows me that picture and behind Batman…Superman in the suit looming in the distance. Both on a roof top kind of thing. It was on a set, a little set the put together for this photo shoot. So I was like ‘Oh my god! Is that the suit?! The suit looks amazing! Did you get people to model it?’ And he goes, ‘That’s your boy.’ And I look closely and it’s Ben Affleck wearing the suit. The suit, it is not mine to spill, in terms of what it looks like, you’ll see it. They’ll tell you when they want you to know, but any Batman fan is going to be F—ing pleased. I’m going to tell you that right now. They gave you the suit you all wanted to see.”

 

[donmega]

If I were to base it on his last sentence, the suit is in no way the Noel suit. My guess is it could either be the one he wore in the Hush arc or the real bulky Arkham version.

 

[Master Zik]

Is DC paying Kevin Smith on the side or something?

If this suit turns out to be average or crappy I'm prepared to laugh at the backlash.

 

[sunshineblotters]

John Hamm is in the lead to play Dr. Strange

DAMN I HOPE HE TAKES IT. It's like Dr. Strange that's coming out on the same day as BvS so Marvel aint even worried about DC. No need for them to be.

 

[Master Zik]

I can't imagine Hamm as Strange yet. He's still Don Draper to me. I aint even see that rumor anywhere but once I processed it all I could see is Dr. Strange smoking, drinking and banging various women in Greenwich village.

I still do not see a huge difference between a sci-fi over comic book film though when it comes to cliff hangers.

You gotta take everything I said as one fact. It's not just that it's sci-fi. That can't be the main difference you took from what I said. Inception is not a franchise, it will not have sequels, etc.

I will give you another example in Prometheus which ended in a bit of a cliffhanger. Hell you can even think Ender's Game ended in a cliffhanger since in both films the main character goes off in space on their own. Those cliffhangers aren't anything new though so to a translation to superhero movies if they're done that way then it's nothing worth of mention cuz we'll just know more when the sequel comes. That type of cliffhanger alone really is not enough and can only create so much buzz. Like I said the other way to go was to keep ramping up to big cliffhangers which would be more a problem to come back from if it just keeps escalating.

We really never knew that Nolans Batman film was planned for a sequel, the same for the X2 (my other example), it's still suppose to make you think of what's to come next and a sequel that comes out a few years later shouldn't affect that, no matter what type of film it is. To me at least. Another example, Catching Fire, I know there are 2 more films after it and I never read the books so I do not know what happens next but the cliff hanger doesn't affect how I viewed the film, I still enjoyed it and had me wondering what is going to happen next. Again I think we are just viewing it differently.

The X films are garbage so nobody really cares. I won't bother going in to that. So anyway, TDK was a great movie. I don't recall ppl wondering what would happen to Batman next in the sequel. Nobody was buzzing about Batman being seen as a murderer cuz of what he was forced to take the blame. They just saw that as a nice storytelling tactic with the hero we need but don't deserve line or w/e Gordon said. The TDK cliffhanger wasn't big or specifically something that was great in a way it would hook fans in to the next sequel. The movie could've ended without that and ppl would still be looking forward to the next Nolan Batman movie.

As for the status of the sequel, that was the next thing fans were worried about for a while. Yes TDKR wasn't a guarantee (not that I ever had a whole lot of doubt it'd happen even without Nolan) but once it was confirmed fans weren't then wondering about Batman's status as a murderer in Gotham, that cliffhanger wasn't being talked about. Fans were talking about who was gonna be the next villain and what would Nolan do to top TDK (which he didn't).

I mean really Marvels "teasers" are borderline cliff hangers too, they just happen to do it after the credits instead of actually being part of the film before the credits roll. Some view SHIELD recruiting Tony at the end of IM as a cliff hanger, same with Thanos smirking at the end of Avengers. I think it's in that grey area and I do not really see why DC can't do that? Their plan is to simply put it in the end and their mid-credit scene be a short film, likely as an origin to the next hero they want to introduce.

If you want to view post-credit scenes or teasers as cliffhangers fine. Then those are cliffhangers done right.

I think we'd all have to see it to judge for ourselves

I'm not saying otherwise. I'm going off what I read and from what I read it doesn't sound like a good idea.

It's a waiting game to see what they pull off but I just do not see it being too bad at all unless they really just wanted to mess up the franchise and do something stupid, which I really wouldn't put past Goyer/DC at this point.

I have no faith in Goyer or DC at this point which is why unless I hear something that sounds like it'll be good or a good idea rumored I'm not gonna react as if it has a chance to be good. DC is basically climbing out of a hole for me when it comes to shared cinematic universe superhero movies.

I wouldn't be surprised if they just decided to just do Batman and Superman movies only if some of this stuff doesn't work out and put their other properties on the CW.

 

[goldmember]

I wonder what suit he's talking about that " everyone to see "

 

[rfx45]

As for the status of the sequel, that was the next thing fans were worried about for a while. Yes TDKR wasn't a guarantee (not that I ever had a whole lot of doubt it'd happen even without Nolan) but once it was confirmed fans weren't then wondering about Batman's status as a murderer in Gotham, that cliffhanger wasn't being talked about. Fans were talking about who was gonna be the next villain and what would Nolan do to top TDK (which he didn't).

I had a different experience from that, visiting a comic book store after TDK, this was definitely a hot topic whether Bats will be a bad guy in the view of the world and that Heath would come back as the Joker and tease him about being being hated and telling him to join up or whatever. Cliffhanger was definitely talked about when the next film was announced, of course the big subject is who the villain was and mostly because Heath was dead. If Heath was alive, I think the major subject would have been where Bats would be and if he would be actively hunted down by the GCPD. The cliff hanger was definitely a subject though for sure, it wasn't ignored.

I tried searching for what people thought it a good or best cliff hangers in the most recent films and TDK is right up there from WhatCultue website: http://whatculture.com/film/10-best-cliffhanger-endings-in-recent-films.php/2

So to say the least, it is still a good cliff hanger to some, I am not alone on it. I still think you are just basing it too much on knowing what happened in TDKR. Joker card in begins is big w/o knowledge of TDK and Bats running away is big w/o knowing what happens in TDKR. That's how I'm viewing anyways.

The TDK cliffhanger wasn't big or specifically something that was great in a way it would hook fans in to the next sequel. The movie could've ended without that and ppl would still be looking forward to the next Nolan Batman movie.

That could be said about Marvels films and it's teasers too. People would still see Avengers even if Loki wasn't in in the post credit scene of Thor when they presented the tesseract or in Captain America if Fury didn't talk to Rogers about getting him back on the field, Avengers would have still made their billion.

DC's track record as of late has been good, I still have no confidence in them fully like I do with Marvel but 3 very good and successful Batman films plus MoS isn't a bad track record in the past decade? GL is bad but that is almost comparable to IM2/IM3, almost, GL is still far worse.

This is their first venture to a shared universe so I want to see what they do but again, I am not as confident with it as I am with Marvel. Then again I wasn't fully confident in Whedon with Avengers, or at least did not expect it to be as good as it was.

 

[rfx45]

Is DC paying Kevin Smith on the side or something?

Kevin Smith is just a big DC fan and he happens to be best friends with Ben Affleck. Not really too far fetch for him to be this excited about it especially since he likely gets asked this question all the time now since he is best friends with Bats. Keep in mind this dude also turned in a script for a Superman film iirc so dude is just as big of comic book nerd as all of us here.

 

[rfx45]

Didn't really want to post this rumor but just to get away from the cliff hanger talk, why not?

Just spoilering so you can try and avoid it if you don't want to know what might happen.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

- The villains are Lex Luthor and Metallo

- Batman forms a UN type deal to stop Superman from destroying another city

- Aquaman is in it, but not called Aquaman. He’s there because the world engine in the ocean did something to the fish

- Wonderwoman poses as a Wayne Enterprises investor to retrieve an item that belongs to her people.

- Lex Luthor is in the shadows a lot, a manipulator. Not much face time with Superman.

- Robin betrayed Batman at some point, leading to a falling out between them

- The Batcave was super cool looking, and the mobile looked similar to Burton’s

- Lois is investigating Lex.

- Metallo “kills” Clark

- The Daily Planet is bought by Lex Luthor for PR purposes

- At the end Superman is living in exile, and the Justice League is an government approved superhero team.

Via: http://latino-review.com/2014/01/superman-v-batman-release-date-change-triggers-massive-plot-rumors/

 

[Master Zik]

I was gonna post but laughing too much.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Good idea to get rid of Clark though. Hopefully that secret id stays dead. No more dumb glasses as a disguise and it puts Supes in a position Lex had assumed of him in the comics. Maybe we get a fortress of solitude or space station on the moon as his exile.

Don't care about the Robin stuff or Aquaman, all them fish can die for all I care. JL as an UN approved team has potential.

I hope the Rock isn't Metallo. If he is just goes to show DC sucks and can really waste talent.

That could be said about Marvels films and it's teasers too. People would still see Avengers even if Loki wasn't in in the post credit scene of Thor when they presented the tesseract or in Captain America if Fury didn't talk to Rogers about getting him back on the field, Avengers would have still made their billion.

Nah, I think the post credit scenes establishing a shared universe and upcoming inter connecting of each solo movie played a big part in Avengers being a billion dollar franchise. The post-credit scenes literally kept fans in their seats to watch all of the damn credits just to see the last tacked on scene.

 

[rfx45]

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Rocks going to be Aquaman.



Just make him Cyborg and get it over with.

 

[Master Zik]

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Rocks going to be Aquaman.

They're killing two birds with one stone. Put a black hero on the big screen and kill the stereotype that they can't swim.

Just make him Cyborg and get it over with.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Probably won't count cuz he grew up in Hawaii


:x if he ends up Cyborg

 

[rfx45]

Batmannews.com have gotten hold of another video interview with Gal Gadot, who once again spoke about her casting as Wonder Woman on a talk show in her native Israel. As is generally the case with any big franchise picture these days, Gadot says that she's signed a three movie deal to appear as the iconic DC super-heroine, and also very openly reveals her fee for starring in Zack Snyder's Batman Vs. Superman themed sequel: $300,000. The actress is scheduled to start filming that sequel in May, which would fit with the production delay announced last week.

 

[donmega]

I do kind of expect him to be in the JL flick. I mean, he has to be there. Dude's already kinda established as GA.

From Joblo

Arrow star Stephen Amell says he's had "discussions" about appearing in a Justice League film

The hunger for information on DC's plans in creating their own cinematic universe have gone ravenous of late, which seems to be working in the company's favor in terms of building hype. There's new speculation, rumors, tidbits, etc. hitting the web daily and while some folks have grown weary of it, others simply can't get enough. With that said, we've got some new information from Arrow star Stephen Amell, who says that there have been "discussions" about his incarnation of Arrow crossover with the big-screen JUSTICE LEAGUE film, but is both cautious and revealing in his response.

“All we have to do for something like that to happen, or even be a possibility, is continue to take care of business with our show and then we put ourselves in a position – but the important thing is our show,” he says, revealing that there definitely have been talks at a studio level. “I have had discussions, but I think the gestation process for this project is a lot slower than most people think. I mean, they haven't even shot the next one. They haven't even shot a frame of the movie before the movie everyone thinks is the Justice League movie!”
Amell's explanation reveals some interesting bits, namely the last sentence where he discusses "the movie before the movie" which could indicate that the rumored plans of BATMAN VS SUPERMAN and JUSTICE LEAGUE being the next two entries in the DC cinematic universe. With the release date being pushed back a year, that gives Amell plenty of time to stay focused on Arrow (and keeping ratings up), while contemplating a crossover into the film world. Could DC be planning to link their TV shows with their films as Marvel has? I can't see scenario where they wouldn't consider the possibility, especially when you're talking about merging an already successful and established brand. More food for thought, which is all this fan speculation is. If we can't talk about the possibilities then what the hell are we doing here, eh?

- See more at: http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/arr...in-a-justice-league-film#sthash.7pPwjaFL.dpuf

 

[rell826]

According to a translation provided to Batman-News (via THR), Gadot reveals that she's been signed for three Wonder Woman movie appearances, including the forthcoming Batman vs. Superman film. Gadot says that she starts filming BvS in May now that it's been delayed, and even revealed that she's getting paid a mere $300,000 for the film. That's a pretty meager salary given the multi-millions the film will cost to produce and will eventually rake in at the box office.

 

[rfx45]

Just posted that 2 posts up.


I don't think $300k is meager though considering she isn't the lead and Hemsworth, Evans, Maguire, etc... got paid about $200k-$300k to star in their own franchise. Historically, women gets paid less than men too unless you have a supersta name so $300k for the first film (assuming it's only for the first film) isn't too bad at all especially since she isn't going to be the main focus of the film. Hell she might have one line in this film for all we know.

 

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We’re told Gadot will play the role in not only the upcoming “Batman-Superman” flick, but in a Justice League movie and a Wonder Woman standalone film.

The Israeli entertainment show “Good Evening with Gai Pines” reported that Gadot will earn $300,000 per film.

 

[donmega]

Might as well consider it a rumor until we see the suit in promo shoots. The armored one does make sense though.

From Joblo:

No, that's not a typo in the headline. Ben Affleck might be wearing two different Batsuits in BATMAN VS SUPERMAN, according to a new report from Latino-Review. We've been hearing that Affleck's suit in the new movie will be very different from previous big screen versions, and both Batsuits described by the site below sound like they will fit very well in Zack Snyder's film. They're report on Ben Affleck's Batsuits isn't too different from what others have been saying about what Batman will be wearing in the upcoming movie, however there are a few new details worth checking out.

"Kevin Smith has seen a Jim Lee-inspired Batsuit. It’s hard to tell who is parrotting Smith and who is an independent source confirming a rumor, but it seems likely to me that Batman will don the Grey-and-Blue on screen for the first time since Adam West. That means tiny ears on the cowl and a big black bat across the chest. This seems like it’s happening. The more interesting thing I’ve heard is that Batman will actually wear 2 batsuits in the film, but where as Grey-and-Blue has already been designed and Affleck has worn it, the second Batsuit is more armored like the one in the Dark Knight Returns and Kingdom Come comics. I bring this up, because this rumor seems a bit more expected in a movie where Batman fights Superman, because: of course, Batman would die without an armored suit."

The site also has a couple of other possible details about the armored Batsuit.

"According to the source, the plating is silver/white. The plates are attached to a black undercloth. The plates doesn’t cover his entire body. We see the black undercloth at the joints. Supposedly, it looks incredible. Equally, or maybe even better-looking than the other suit and it’s leagues above and beyond Bale’s suit from what I’m told.

I actually had no problem with Christian Bale's Batsuit in his movies, but I'm very excited to see what Ben Affleck will be wearing in BATMAN VS SUPERMAN. Of course we have no way of knowing if any of this is true until an official photo is released, but I think it's safe to say Ben Affleck's Batsuits will be unlike other movie versions of the costume, which is a good thing in my opinion. So when might we be able to see the new suits? Latino-Review thinks we'll get an official look at the costumes sometime in February or early March."

BATMAN VS SUPERMAN will be in theaters on May 6th, 2016.

 

[rfx45]

KC Bat-Armor is awesome
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[SORIANOTRON]

Id put my money on the grey/blue duds...

as they should

 

[donmega]

KC Bat-Armor is awesome

True. I do prefer it more than the TDKR armor.Still, either would be awesome if they'd be able to them right.

Id put my money on the grey/blue duds...

as they should

They might make it a darker shade of blue, considering that is how they interpreted the color of Supe's costume. Or they'd just straight out use the Hush suit as well.