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Didn't Dwight also drop 40 to close out the Cavs that year?
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Didn't Dwight also drop 40 to close out the Cavs that year?
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[quote name="ricky409"]why is everyone going in on dhoward?
like... famb took hedo turkoglu to the finals...
woulda beat the lakers if skip to my lou would have stayed the pg...
i swear people just listen to the media and not eem try to create their own opinion.[/quote]Yes, there are a LOTTT of folks who just piggyback what the media says... but not everyone. When he was in ORL & it looked very strong like he would be a Laker, there were folks asking "Man, do you guys really want all this drama and taking games off? :\ " I was one of them. Now, I'm not saying that for a cookie, and I'm not asking for $1 for being right about him creating drama (unless you have a buck.
Or a cookie 
), I'm just letting you know that there were definitely plenty of us saying all this before he joined.
like... famb took hedo turkoglu to the finals...
woulda beat the lakers if skip to my lou would have stayed the pg...
i swear people just listen to the media and not eem try to create their own opinion.[/quote]Yes, there are a LOTTT of folks who just piggyback what the media says... but not everyone. When he was in ORL & it looked very strong like he would be a Laker, there were folks asking "Man, do you guys really want all this drama and taking games off? :\ " I was one of them. Now, I'm not saying that for a cookie, and I'm not asking for $1 for being right about him creating drama (unless you have a buck.
Or a cookie ), I'm just letting you know that there were definitely plenty of us saying all this before he joined.I don't know why people think anything he did in Orlando matters right now.
RIGHT NOW he is nowhere close to what he was 2 years ago. That's our point. That's our problem with him, that's our issue.
If he's hurt, he's hurt. We get that. We get things will be limited. Understood.
THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM WE ARE ADDRESSING RIGHT NOW PEOPLE.
When Steve Nash and Earl Clark are getting frustrated with you for not moving your feet, for not rolling, for not doing the things that YOU DO BEST which is play the pick and roll properly, then THAT is a problem and something that needs to be addressed.
The health will come. (hopefully) He could/should get back to his old self and then we will have a cleared picture of what he can do. That may not happen til the offseason, but he should be able to recover as long as he doesn't go the LJ way of rehabbing his back.
But there is ZERO excuse for him not making the smart play and helping out his teammates when they have a chance to set him up.
ORLD Dwight was all over the floor. From the three point line to the rim, he covered in 3 steps. He was everywhere, offense and defense. Always moving, always in motion.
LA Dwight is a statue. And that has to change. Some games we see him flyin around, and we know he's in there. Other games he barely moves. Miami was one of those games. Boston was another. (I'll give him a pass on that one, he may not have been mentally ready to play that game with all the stress about his shoulder, etc)
Tonight, he needs to MURDER the Suns. 40-20. Absolutely shut the entire world up. Treat his old teammate like he stole something. Destroy everything, and do it in front of the fans, and get them on his side like he so desperately wants. We don't want him to fail, we want him to succeed at the highest level.
We're not stupid. We as a fanbase know what excellence looks like. He can't fool us. So it's time he starts to understand that and go balls out every play.
40-20 Dwight. Or 20-15, either way, just play hard and get this win.
RIGHT NOW he is nowhere close to what he was 2 years ago. That's our point. That's our problem with him, that's our issue.
If he's hurt, he's hurt. We get that. We get things will be limited. Understood.
THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM WE ARE ADDRESSING RIGHT NOW PEOPLE.
When Steve Nash and Earl Clark are getting frustrated with you for not moving your feet, for not rolling, for not doing the things that YOU DO BEST which is play the pick and roll properly, then THAT is a problem and something that needs to be addressed.
The health will come. (hopefully) He could/should get back to his old self and then we will have a cleared picture of what he can do. That may not happen til the offseason, but he should be able to recover as long as he doesn't go the LJ way of rehabbing his back.
But there is ZERO excuse for him not making the smart play and helping out his teammates when they have a chance to set him up.
ORLD Dwight was all over the floor. From the three point line to the rim, he covered in 3 steps. He was everywhere, offense and defense. Always moving, always in motion.
LA Dwight is a statue. And that has to change. Some games we see him flyin around, and we know he's in there. Other games he barely moves. Miami was one of those games. Boston was another. (I'll give him a pass on that one, he may not have been mentally ready to play that game with all the stress about his shoulder, etc)
Tonight, he needs to MURDER the Suns. 40-20. Absolutely shut the entire world up. Treat his old teammate like he stole something. Destroy everything, and do it in front of the fans, and get them on his side like he so desperately wants. We don't want him to fail, we want him to succeed at the highest level.
We're not stupid. We as a fanbase know what excellence looks like. He can't fool us. So it's time he starts to understand that and go balls out every play.
40-20 Dwight. Or 20-15, either way, just play hard and get this win.
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Ok so we are willing to get rid of a player halfway into a season where he's coming off an injury, has played through another Injury, and has come into a system that literally has nothing in place for him.
To do what trade him for k.Love who has been such a winner in his career thus far
. Is a HORRIBLE Defender, and isn't exactly a Dominant player himself.
how can you openly acknowledge his injury problems know he isn't moving anywhere close to healthy and continue to bash him for not PHYSICALLY being able to do certain things.
If prior to L.A Dwight had an issue on the court as far as effort i would agree. But even last year in the midst of all the trade talk and controversy he was Putting that horrible team on his back and was playing great ball before the injury.
IMO we haven't gotten the same dwight not because theirs something mentally wrong but because he's hurt.
To do what trade him for k.Love who has been such a winner in his career thus far
. Is a HORRIBLE Defender, and isn't exactly a Dominant player himself.how can you openly acknowledge his injury problems know he isn't moving anywhere close to healthy and continue to bash him for not PHYSICALLY being able to do certain things.
If prior to L.A Dwight had an issue on the court as far as effort i would agree. But even last year in the midst of all the trade talk and controversy he was Putting that horrible team on his back and was playing great ball before the injury.
IMO we haven't gotten the same dwight not because theirs something mentally wrong but because he's hurt.
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Teams can sign and trade over the salary cap now? Because Dwight is not walking from $30M.
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then dont play...its that simple...
he opens himself up to the criticism by going on the court...once you lace up, aint no more injuries..aint no more my back hurts...leave that in the locker room b...
im not downplaying his injury, im not saying it obviously isnt taking away from his explosiveness..im saying this is pro sports, dudes play injured every day b...emmit smith carried the rock 20 sum times with a seperated shoulder..phillip rivers balled on a tore acl...dont even gotta mention kobe and his numerous injuries...
if your on the floor, no excuses...simple as that..
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From one of my favorite bands:
"Do you wanna go big? Do you wanna go back?
Do you wanna get way ahead of yourself
With your integrity intact?
Do you wanna go on? Do you wanna go out?
Do you wanna go big or not?
Give it one more great big shot.
Do you wanna just give in
Or give it everything you've got?
Do you wanna go big? Do you wanna go home?
Where it is safe and it is sound
And where the safe and sound are found.
Do you wanna go there?
That's nowhere!
Or do you wanna just go at it?
Are you telling me you've had it?
Put on your big boy pants.
Tighten your grip and adjust your stance.
You may have messed around
And missed your chance.
You've got a safety cord.
You've got the luxuries
Most can't afford.
You may be grateful or faithful
Or jump when you're bored."
Pretty much, yep.
"Do you wanna go big? Do you wanna go back?
Do you wanna get way ahead of yourself
With your integrity intact?
Do you wanna go on? Do you wanna go out?
Do you wanna go big or not?
Give it one more great big shot.
Do you wanna just give in
Or give it everything you've got?
Do you wanna go big? Do you wanna go home?
Where it is safe and it is sound
And where the safe and sound are found.
Do you wanna go there?
That's nowhere!
Or do you wanna just go at it?
Are you telling me you've had it?
Put on your big boy pants.
Tighten your grip and adjust your stance.
You may have messed around
And missed your chance.
You've got a safety cord.
You've got the luxuries
Most can't afford.
You may be grateful or faithful
Or jump when you're bored."
Pretty much, yep.
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Pretty much. If you're hurt and you feel that you can't play, sit down.
darthska
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CP, I agree that we don't have ORL Dwight, but I don't think injuries is the only reason why not.
I don't even think it's the major reason; I think attitude is.
I don't even think it's the major reason; I think attitude is.
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[quote name="CP"][quote name="CP"]Injuries didn't prevent him from moving in the paint to give Nash a passing angle. That is something else guys. That got nothin to do with a shoulder or back, that's something else, and Nash railed him for it.[/quote]*taps mic*
Is this thing on?[/quote]It's not just that one play, though. It sounds like, overall, you would have people believe that the reason we don't have ORL Dwight is because of injuries.
If that's not the case, then... cool.
Is this thing on?[/quote]It's not just that one play, though. It sounds like, overall, you would have people believe that the reason we don't have ORL Dwight is because of injuries.
If that's not the case, then... cool.
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The Mighty Mighty Bosstones
darthska
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This guy. Freaking Hanson. 
[barkley] Are you kiddin' me? [/chuck]
Mighty Bosstones
[barkley] Are you kiddin' me? [/chuck]
Mighty Bosstones
*taps mic*
Is this thing on?[/quote]It's not just that one play, though. It sounds like, overall, you would have people believe that the reason we don't have ORL Dwight is because of injuries.
If that's not the case, then... cool.[/quote]
Oh I see what you're askin.
I don't know what the percent is. 50/50, 75/25 injuries, 60/40......I don't know.
I think "part" of it is contract. Not wanting to completely injure something and screw up max deal.
I wonder, if we'd been in better shape early and were a 3-4 seed, he might play harder. I'm thinkin he doesn't want to push if he feels there's no chance at a title. Not sure.
If he was %100, I think he'd be fine and get it right with Nash/Kobe etc. Since he's not, he's holding back or worrying about his deal or doesn't like this coach, pick and roll Shaq stuff, etc.
Needs to just ball, that will shut everyone up except Shaq.
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I don't believe LeBron cares about money because he needs, but he does care about a max contract. He's never had one...his own words. Plus there's a lot to be said about being validated as the best by receiving your top earning potential. He can opt out and still get the max and stay. In fact, so can Wade and Bosh. I doubt he finishes his current contract.
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I'm basing this off the fact that throughout his career Dwight was never questioned for his effort.... Maturity yes, diva behavior yes, Hustle and effort NO.
Could he have stepped up for a better passing lane yes, just like Nash Or Kobe could step in and make a defensive play which im SURE they missed several times against the heat. Every player makes bad plays, I hear people calling for Pau back instead of dwight when Pau clearly has been in mode ***** since 2011. Hell even this season he played well for a week and decided he had to tell the media how disappointed he was coming off the bench
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Oh so now its my fault Dwight's "soft", speaking out ya *** there buddy
And no, Dwight didn't want to go to LAL, it was far from his top options. Go do your research. No surprise he's unhappy, anyone could of seen this coming before the season if the Lakers didn't do well.
Get the trade done now, before the deadline, then Dwight can keep his money and everyone is happy, everyone wins. Kevin Love is a better fit for the Lakers right now, and going forward. Is this not clear?
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KLove has made it clear that he's not going to stay in Minnesota, why would the Lakers trade their best player for him when there's a decent chance they could land him another way?
And I'm not in the camp that feels that Dwight is intentionally playing himself out of LA. Is it possible that he is? Sure, and I'll be sure to admit my mistake when that day comes. But I think his injury has cost him some of his athleticism (at least in the short term) and that by next season he'll be playing significantly better. The Lakers would be making a mistake shipping Dwight out when they clearly will not get enough value for him.
Fortunately, the team has told him they won't be shopping him around the trade deadline and they'll wait it out. Best decision.
And I'm not in the camp that feels that Dwight is intentionally playing himself out of LA. Is it possible that he is? Sure, and I'll be sure to admit my mistake when that day comes. But I think his injury has cost him some of his athleticism (at least in the short term) and that by next season he'll be playing significantly better. The Lakers would be making a mistake shipping Dwight out when they clearly will not get enough value for him.
Fortunately, the team has told him they won't be shopping him around the trade deadline and they'll wait it out. Best decision.
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CP, personally, I don't think Dwight would get w/ it, even if we were more successful this season so far.
I go back to him saying, in ORL, that if he doesn't get traded to the Nets, he would play out the season for the team he is traded to... then bounce.
I go back to him being in ORL arguing/discussing/'whatever you want to call it' w/ Kobe about his possible role here if he were to come. Kobe was saying "Me first, then most times Pau, and sometimes you, 2nd or 3rd. But we're both out in like 2-3 years, then you're the man now dog." And Dwight was feeling no part of that. "Nah, you're old, & he sucks. I'm the man right now if I come over."
Those 2 items mean a lot to me when I look at his behaviors.
No, I don't believe everything a person says, but what they show is paramount to me. You tell me you hate me then everyday we're laughing it up in the break room and you invite me to your SB party, I'm not going to put a lot of stock into what you said. "Enh, probably just had a bad day or something." But you tell me you hate me then I watch you slash my tires without you knowing I saw you, I might put some stock into your words. "Hmmmm... methinks he hate me."
Hearing what Dwight said towards the end of his ORL days, about playing it out if it's not NJ: "Hmmmm... maybe he'll feel differently if he gets here. Maybe not."
Hearing what he said in ORL then hearing of the Kobe convo: "Ruh-roh. Maybe he really won't like it here. We'll see."
The ORL words + the Kobe convo + the locker room deal + the complaints = I'm sold; Dwight gonna Dwight, regardless of our success/failure.
He's doing what he said he would do. For him to NOT be the child we have seen in both ORL & here, 2 things need to be in place: his team is a powerhouse in the league, and he's the main guy. He has the Kobe "I'm top dog" mentality, but not the Kobe work ethic & dedication; not even close, and for that reason, he'll never be the top guy on a team... and for THAT reason, he'll continue his foolishness.
I could see him in the Finals again, and after a loss, he's complaining about touches... despite the fact that we all know he doesn't work as hard as he can.
His path to being the top dog is more through whining & sulking about it and less through busting his a** more than whoever else also wants to run things.
Dwight's gonna Dwight, regardless of the success/failure of his team. Methinks.
I go back to him saying, in ORL, that if he doesn't get traded to the Nets, he would play out the season for the team he is traded to... then bounce.
I go back to him being in ORL arguing/discussing/'whatever you want to call it' w/ Kobe about his possible role here if he were to come. Kobe was saying "Me first, then most times Pau, and sometimes you, 2nd or 3rd. But we're both out in like 2-3 years, then you're the man now dog." And Dwight was feeling no part of that. "Nah, you're old, & he sucks. I'm the man right now if I come over."
Those 2 items mean a lot to me when I look at his behaviors.
No, I don't believe everything a person says, but what they show is paramount to me. You tell me you hate me then everyday we're laughing it up in the break room and you invite me to your SB party, I'm not going to put a lot of stock into what you said. "Enh, probably just had a bad day or something." But you tell me you hate me then I watch you slash my tires without you knowing I saw you, I might put some stock into your words. "Hmmmm... methinks he hate me."
Hearing what Dwight said towards the end of his ORL days, about playing it out if it's not NJ: "Hmmmm... maybe he'll feel differently if he gets here. Maybe not."
Hearing what he said in ORL then hearing of the Kobe convo: "Ruh-roh. Maybe he really won't like it here. We'll see."
The ORL words + the Kobe convo + the locker room deal + the complaints = I'm sold; Dwight gonna Dwight, regardless of our success/failure.
He's doing what he said he would do. For him to NOT be the child we have seen in both ORL & here, 2 things need to be in place: his team is a powerhouse in the league, and he's the main guy. He has the Kobe "I'm top dog" mentality, but not the Kobe work ethic & dedication; not even close, and for that reason, he'll never be the top guy on a team... and for THAT reason, he'll continue his foolishness.
I could see him in the Finals again, and after a loss, he's complaining about touches... despite the fact that we all know he doesn't work as hard as he can.
His path to being the top dog is more through whining & sulking about it and less through busting his a** more than whoever else also wants to run things.
Dwight's gonna Dwight, regardless of the success/failure of his team. Methinks.
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Oh so now its my fault Dwight's "soft", speaking out ya *** there buddy
And no, Dwight didn't want to go to LAL, it was far from his top options. Go do your research. No surprise he's unhappy,
1. Didn't say it was your fault. I said people LIKE YOU around him. That means people with a similar mindset to yours in his ears. Who's talking out their ***? Oh.
2. Dwight did want to come here. Brooklyn was his first choice what was that next one? Oh.
3. You acknowledge that he's unhappy yet defend his play because of that fact. So its ok to be a baby in your eyes. Oh.
It's very possible you are right. I'm just hoping the light goes on for him is all. He absolutely needs it to go on.
It's funny tho, Kobe was right 2 years ago, he's still right now. Kobe just like anybody else knows the scouting report on Dwight, knows he isn't the offensive dominant Center that other great centers have been, Kobe told him straight up even back then, you come here, you be our rebounder and defender. IE, you be Bill Russell, we'll win rings.
That's who Dwight is (could/should be) Bill Russell. Elite defender and rebounder, let someone else do the scoring and that's that.
Dwight doesn't see that. He thinks he's Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, etc. If he could ever be convinced to be Bill, he's a problem..........For the rest of the league.
It's funny tho, Kobe was right 2 years ago, he's still right now. Kobe just like anybody else knows the scouting report on Dwight, knows he isn't the offensive dominant Center that other great centers have been, Kobe told him straight up even back then, you come here, you be our rebounder and defender. IE, you be Bill Russell, we'll win rings.
That's who Dwight is (could/should be) Bill Russell. Elite defender and rebounder, let someone else do the scoring and that's that.
Dwight doesn't see that. He thinks he's Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, etc. If he could ever be convinced to be Bill, he's a problem..........For the rest of the league.
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Dwight doesn't have to go, he has to buy into the plan. He's taking all this constructive criticism, and taking it in as shots fired at him.
They need to invite in Kareem, West, and Magic to rub elbows with Dwight at practice.
He'll learn with sacrifice, comes reward.
They need to invite in Kareem, West, and Magic to rub elbows with Dwight at practice.
He'll learn with sacrifice, comes reward.
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Is Kareem not available right now? How come he hasn't been working out with Dwight..
