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[hanzie7]

congrats to kobe who joins the other greats in the top 5 leaders for points scored

30,000!!!

 

[hanzie7]

honestly need nash to come back, fantasy team strugglin and don't want to drop him because I know he'll be double double machine when he gets backk

 

[pmatic]

Uh, Robin Lopez?

Edit:

Lakers rebuff trade talks

The Los Angeles Lakers, largely at the behest of general manager Mitch Kupchak, have rebuffed trade inquiries from at least two teams for Pau Gasol, according to sources with knowledge of the Lakers' thinking.

The Toronto Raptors and Minnesota Timberwolves have both recently tried to engage the Lakers in trade discussions for Gasol, sources told ESPN.com, but the Lakers continue to tell teams that call that they will not consider dealing the Spaniard until L.A. can fully assess its roster after the return of injured point guard Steve Nash.

Trade speculation involving Gasol nonetheless shows little sign of abating, even as the 32-year-old is being held out of the lineup to combat a worsening bout of knee tendinitis. Gasol has not been shelved because a deal is imminent, sources told ESPNLosAngeles.com Tuesday, but Kupchak has advised Gasol's representatives that the Lakers will have no choice but to start exploring a trade if the former All-Star is unable to eventually adjust to D'Antoni's system.

D'Antoni took the job Nov. 11, knowing he wouldn't have the benefit of training camp, when the Lakers made the third-fastest coaching change in NBA history by firing Mike Brown five games into the season.

Stretch power forward Andrea Bargnani, veteran point guard Jose Calderon and fellow vet Linas Kleiza are among the players, sources say, whom the Raptors have discussed making available to the Lakers in a deal for Gasol. It's an open secret around the league, meanwhile, that Timberwolves general manager David Kahn has been trying since last season to acquire Gasol to join fellow Spaniard Ricky Rubio in a three-man core with All-Star forward Kevin Love, but sources say the Lakers continue to resist Minnesota's attempts to build a trade offer around 2011's No. 2 overall pick Derrick Williams and center Nikola Pekovic.

CBSSports.com reported Wednesday that there's a growing belief among rival executives that Toronto has emerged as the most likely landing spot for Gasol, given Bargnani's potential as a floor-spacing frontcourt partner to Dwight Howard and the boost Calderon could give a thin backcourt. Nash has only played a game and a half this season thanks to the 38-year-old's fractured fibula, and Steve Blake will miss the next six to eight weeks after abdominal surgery.

It is widely presumed around the league that Howard's former Orlando teammate Ryan Anderson, now in New Orleans, is the Lakers' No. 1 trade target if they were to consent to dealing Gasol. But sources told ESPN.com on Wednesday that Anderson is regarded as a virtual untouchable by the Hornets, given that the 24-year-old is not only a highly competent stretch power forward signed to a comparatively reasonable four-year contract but also because Anderson has proved to be an underrated rebounder. Rebounding and defense have long been areas of concern with Bargnani, who was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2006 draft.

Bargnani, though, is only 27 and can supply the sort of long-range shooting that Gasol, even when healthy, cannot. D'Antoni and the Phoenix Suns enjoyed considerable success when Nash combined with one pick-and-rolling inside force -- Amar'e Stoudemire -- and was otherwise surrounded by a plethora of shooters. The Suns, though, didn't function nearly as smoothly when they traded for Shaquille O'Neal and suddenly had to accommodate two scorers who head for the rim.

The Atlanta Hawks have also been frequently mentioned as potential trade partners in a Gasol deal, most notably by Lakers legend Magic Johnson on an early season episode of "NBA Countdown." But ESPN.com reported earlier this month that the Hawks, on schedule to have major salary-cap space in July 2013, currently have no interest in parting with free agent-to-be Josh Smith in a trade for a player five years older and with Gasol struggling with knee trouble and scheduled to earn $19.3 million next season.

Gasol has two sore knees and is off to the worst start of his career in terms of shooting (42 percent from the field) and scoring (on both a per-game and per-minute basis). Yet he continues to be the subject of more trade speculation than virtually any other marquee player in the NBA, which has been a fact of daily life for Gasol ever since he was included by the Lakers in a four-team deal last December that would have netted Chris Paul. NBA commissioner David Stern -- saying he was acting as New Orleans' owner at the time because the league still owned the Hornets at that stage -- told New Orleans' basketball people to cancel the trade.

ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard reported this week that some league executives believe Gasol will be difficult to trade because of his age, health, declining production and the high-dollar amount of his salary next season. Sources told Broussard that Atlanta and the Houston Rockets, two clubs long linked to Gasol, no longer have interest in acquiring him. The same, sources told Broussard, holds for the Denver Nuggets, who possess multiple players who would appear to fit D'Antoni's system well.

If the Lakers eventually do decide to deal Gasol, it will be over the strong objection of Kobe Bryant, who on Tuesday offered his strongest public support to date to back the 7-footer with whom he has won two NBA championships.

"I love Pau like a brother," Bryant told ESPNLosAngeles.com on Tuesday before the Lakers' loss in Houston. "I really do. I want him to dominate like I know he can.

"I want him to dig in and be determined, not discouraged," Bryant continued. "We should go to him more on the post because he can dominate from there as he has to the tune of two rings. I'm sure we will adjust and figure out a balance when he comes back healthy."

The two veterans had a lengthy summit Monday night at the team hotel in Houston.

"I know his knees have been hurting and that can be frustrating because you can't do physically what you are used to," Bryant said. "I just don't want him to sulk about the change of things."

Link

 

[laker4lifeman]

I'm only willing to trade for Bargs if we get Lowry and that's not happening.

 

[htg designs]

In the summer, I thought Lowery was the best pg for the job. Defends, can assist and gets buckets.

 

[pmatic]

 

[pmatic]

More on Kobe's defense:

LAKERS’ D STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS

Kobe Bryant eclipsed the 30,000-point mark on Wednesday, becoming the youngest player in NBA history to do so. He has earned his place in history as one of the greatest scorers the game of basketball has ever seen.

But at the time Bryant scored points 30,000 and 30,001, his Los Angeles Lakers were losing to one of the worst teams in the NBA and Bryant was getting an earful from teammate Dwight Howard.

Apparently, the Lakers can’t win a game – they eventually blew past the Hornets in the third quarter – and make history without some sort of drama.

Kevin Ding of the Orange County Register has the details from New Orleans …

Not too many people would dare point a finger toward Kobe Bryant’s face and back it up with strong words.
Dwight Howard did that Wednesday night to take a stand regarding the Lakers’ need to help each other on defense — specifically for Bryant to help Howard — and came away concluding it did a lot of good.

“I don’t have a problem with saying anything to anybody, and it should be that way,” Howard said after the Lakers’ victory over New Orleans. “We have to be able to talk to each other. We’re a team. We’re a family. And the more chemistry we develop that way, the better we’ll be as a team.”

Twice in the first quarter, Howard was visibly upset after he moved over to provide help defense against Hornets point guard Greivis Vasquez, but no one — specifically Bryant — rotated over to help cover Howard’s assigned man, Horne

ts center Robin Lopez. The first time, Howard looked back at Bryant with an anguished look on his face and gestured at him after Lopez scored for a 12-7 New Orleans lead.

Here’s a look at that play, and it’s clear why Howard was upset…

VIDEO

Bryant is the man who should be helping on Lopez’s roll on that play, but he doesn’t move. Perhaps he was concerned about his man standing in the corner? That would be Al-Farouq Aminu, who is 2-for-8 from 3-point range this season.

More from Ding…

Three-plus minutes later, Vasquez penetrated past Chris Duhon again, Howard shifted over to help again, and Lopez was left all alone again with Bryant toward the corner near Roger Mason instead of in the paint. Lopez scored for an 18-14 Hornets lead, and although Earl Clark was the Laker in best position to help Howard, he yelled at Bryant about it — prompting Bryant to yell back at Howard and gesture back.

Here’s that play…

VIDEO

While it was obvious who was at fault on the first play, you can see why there’s a difference of opinion on this one. Bryant was denying Mason, who ran a flare cut, so he wasn’t just waiting on the weak side like he was on the first play. Clark, meanwhile, is in perfect position to bump the roll man, but instead recovers out to Ryan Anderson. Of course, Bryant did completely lose track of where the ball was on the floor by turning his head away from the play.

As Ding notes, Bryant was more conscious of the roll man later in the first half. On this example, he puts himself in position under the basket as the pick-and-roll happens on the opposite side…

VIDEO

Of course, Bryant jumps back out of the lane (perhaps to avoid a defensive 3-second call) just as the shot goes up, allowing the Hornets to crash the glass from the weak side. So, let’s just say that the Lakers’ defense is a work in progress.

Even though they’re 9-10, the Lakers currently rank eighth in defensive efficiency and are one of only four teams to rank in the top 10 on both ends on the floor (see table below). But the defense has been inconsistent and from possession to possession. Just four days ago, L.A. gave up 113 points to the Orlando Magic, who rank 28th offensively this season. The defense was a little better in Houston on Tuesday, but the Rockets hit a big three down the stretch when Bryant got caught up in a screen and then was slow to recover (1:12 mark of the highlights).

Bryant can be a bulldog (sorry, Doberman) one-on-one defender when he wants to be, but he’s certainly not a great by-the-book help defender. He’ll float, take chances and look for the big play. Howard, meanwhile is a three-time Defensive Player of the Year and comes from the Stan Van Gundy school, where there are stricter defensive standards than what you’ll find in a Mike D’Antoni locker room.

So far this season though, the Lakers have been better defensively with Bryant on the floor (allowing 97.8 points per 100 possessions) than with Howard on the floor (99.5). Given the ups and downs of the team’s first 19 games, it’s difficult to take anything away from those numbers.

Any team with Howard on it really should be in the top five defensively. But that takes more than just a guy protecting the paint. It also requires five guys on the same page and a coach who will hold them accountable for breakdowns like the ones above.

 

[laker4lifeman]

That's most likely going to be his trophy pose.

 

[nermindee]

so dwight was yelling at kobe... I LOIKE IT ALOT!

http://lakers.ocregister.com/2012/12/05/kobe-dwight-argue-over-defensive-breakdowns/75031/

 

[CP1708]

The Kobe Assist
Introducing a new NBA statistic that proves that missing shots is sometimes just as valuable as making them
By Kirk Goldsberry on December 6, 2012PRINTLate in the second quarter of the Kings and Lakers game on October 21, something ordinary but deceptively important happened. With the Lakers in their half-court set, Dwight Howard set one of his monstrous picks along the right wing to free up Steve Nash, who has led the NBA in assists six of the last eight seasons.


Nash used the screen to get past Isaiah Thomas and head toward the right corner; he took one dribble with his right hand toward the corner, switched directions, employed a crossover, and by the time his second dribble arrived back up in his left hand he'd landed near the right elbow with the Kings defense collapsing upon him. He recognized this immediately and launched a beautiful left-handed pass in midstream to the left wing, where Kobe Bryant awaited. Kobe was wide-open; he caught the ball and shot without hesitation. He missed, and despite the great screen by Howard and the great playmaking by Nash, this beautiful basketball sequence was seemingly fruitless. Nash would not get his assist.

However, while Nash was busy playmaking and while Kobe was busy jump shooting, Dwight Howard had taken about seven steps toward his happy place — the restricted area — fought off the gigantic DeMarcus Cousins, and gained optimal rebounding position. Kobe's miss ricocheted upward from the rim before descending back down into the hands of Howard, who quickly put the ball in the basket; the Staples crowd went wild (in the dark). Did Kobe just miss a shot or did he just inadvertently set up Dwight Howard for an easy score? Are some of Kobe's missed shots actually good for the Lakers? Are some of his misses kind of like assists?

Basketball is a game of sequences. Unlike baseball or football, it is a relatively continuous free-flowing sport. The actions within a game are hard to separate because they are chronologically intertwined, and every event in every game is influenced in part by preceding sequences of actions. Every game is its own ecosystem characterized by teamwork, athleticism, and frequent episodes of magnificence. But the same things that make basketball so captivating to watch also make it more difficult to measure and to analyze.

Most basketball statistics refer to discrete events such as shots, steals, and rebounds that occur within the continuous context of a flowing game. Basketball is very different from baseball, but in the basketball analytics world, too often we treat our sport as if it were baseball; we kid ourselves and say a rebound or a corner 3 is akin to a strikeout or a home run, a singular accomplishment achieved by a player that's fit for tallying and displaying in a cell on some spreadsheet on some website.

But, unfortunately, it's not that simple. In reality we all know crediting a wide-open corner 3 solely to Matt Bonner, Kawhi Leonard, or Danny Green is akin to giving Javier Bardem sole credit for No Country for Old Men. Bonner, Leonard, and Green get great looks because of the splendidly directed, infinitely complex ecosystem that is the San Antonio Spurs offense. Over the last two seasons Matt Bonner has made 210 out of 480 3-point attempts (44 percent), which is incredible. However, how would these numbers differ if he played for the Wizards? Corner 3s are more like touchdowns than they are like strikeouts. They are punctuation marks at the end of complex strategic sentences. We may be really good at tallying those punctuation marks, but we are not so good at diagramming or even understanding those sentences; within our box scores and spreadsheets we are failing to give credit where it is due.

Just as the theoretical butterfly flapping its wings in Rio somehow influences the formation of a faraway hurricane, basketball outcomes exhibit sensitive dependence on previous environmental conditions, yet the analytical "baseball-ification" of our fluid sport too often neglects this basic tenet of basketball ecology. We disregard too much environmental context. As an illustration of how this baseball-ification of basketball ecology can hinder our understanding, consider the Kobe Assist, those missed shots that are more like accidental passes that lead to put-backs.

Jump shooters are the butterflies of the NBA, and each time a shooter releases a shot, a fascinating sequence begins to unfold. Depending on who is shooting, where on the court they are shooting from, the stratagems of each team, the rebounding abilities of each player, and the precise spatial configuration of the 10 players on the court, shot outcomes vary considerably. On the imaginary road map to a shot's outcome, the first fork in the road is the most important: Did the shot go in, or did it not go in? This is a vital and obvious thing to measure, and we do this pretty well with things like field goal attempts, field goals made, and field goal percentage. However, a shot's story arc does not begin at its release nor does it always end at the hoop. What happens after a missed shot is very important and directly related to the same set of environmental conditions on the floor that provided both the original context for the shot and the influential factors that determine what happens next. Conventional basketball metrics segment continuity too much. We quarantine the chicken from the egg; we divvy basketball events so much that we ignore obvious relationships between shooting environments and shot outcomes.

Missed shots are kind of like informal jump balls that happen dozens of times per game. Instead of a referee gently tossing the ball up in the air, some random ricochet off of the basket breaks the bad news to the offense, propels the ball skyward, and for a few moments the ball is disowned and its possession is literally up for grabs. But just like shot outcomes, rebounding outcomes also depend on who is shooting, where they are shooting from, the stratagems of each team, the rebounding abilities of each player, and the precise spatial configuration of the 10 players on the court; as a result, there is a less apparent tenet of basketball: All missed shots are not created equal, and their DNA is inherently dependent upon their ancestral events — some missed shots are good for the defensive team, and some benefit the offense, as many misses actually extend offensive possessions with the proverbial "fresh 24."

This is where the Kobe Pass — a necessary predecessor to the Kobe Assist — comes into play. I define the Kobe Pass as the missed shot that begets an offensive rebound and thus extends an offensive possession. Of course, offensive rebounds are an important statistic on their own, but sole credit for an offensive rebound is traditionally awarded to the player who acquires the rebound. Little else is considered. We conceptualize them as destinations but ignore their origins. Where do offensive rebounds come from?

Offensive rebounds are constructive offensive events that frequently result in a big basketball player possessing the ball very close to the goal. They are like surreptitious but extremely effective entry passes. In fact, league-wide, 34 percent of the time Kobe Passes result in points right away because the recipient of the Kobe Pass, a.k.a. the offensive rebounder, frequently scores immediately after acquiring the basketball. In such cases, I define the Kobe Assist as an achievement credited to a player or a team missing a basket that in a way leads directly to the kind of field goal generally referred to as a put-back, tip-in, or follow.


Many times these field goals shape the outcomes of basketball games, but we neglect to consider what exactly they follow. We fail to explore the interactions between shot events and put-backs. We fail to understand which shooting environments are most or least conducive to offensive rebounds. We only kind of know which players' and teams' missed shots are most likely to result in put-backs. Most important, we have no idea who leads the NBA in Kobe Assists.

Spoiler alert: Kobe Bryant is the king of the Kobe Assist and hence its namesake. Over the last two seasons, Kobe had more than 200 Kobe Assists, which is by far the most in the league and also precedes the arrival of Dwight Howard, the most dominant interior presence in the NBA. The combination of one of the league's most voluminous and creative jump shooters with the league's most dominant interior force will only proliferate the Kobe Assist phenomenon in L.A.

While Kobe haters may delight in the idea that many of Kobe's best passes are actually his missed shots, I would suggest that these folks temper their delight because, like it or not, these passes are effective. I would also argue that many times Kobe Assists are not as accidental as they may seem; in fact, the belief that these outcomes are "lucky" or these bounces are "fortuitous" diminishes the considerable skills required for an offensive team to extend a possession or score those critical "second chance" points. A 16-foot jumper during a fast break is a horrible shot in part because there is little chance a teammate is present in case you miss; that same jumper in a half-court set when Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol are on your team and near the basket is nowhere near as foolish. The latter is the actual shooting environment in Los Angeles; this is the ecosystem where Kobe Bryant lives.

As a general rule, NBA offenses rebound 32 percent of their misses. But this number is not homogeneous league-wide; it depends on the team, the shooter, and many other variables — especially team priorities. The Celtics, who famously prioritize transition defense over offensive rebounding, only rebound 23 percent of their misses, while the high-flying and physical Denver Nuggets capture 42 percent of their missed shots. The Lakers prioritize offensive rebounds, and given their personnel that makes a lot of sense for them.



As of November 30, Kobe has attempted 289 shots. He has missed 146 of them, but the Lakers have retained possession on 50 of those misses. Furthermore, the Lakers have immediately converted 22 of those 50 offensive rebounds into points. So far this year, Kobe has 22 Kobe Assists, which trails only Dion Waiters and Carmelo Anthony. You might be saying, "Well, since Kobe shoots so much, this isn't that special." Not so fast — 15 percent of Kobe's misses immediately lead to Lakers put-backs, which is much higher than the league average. In comparison, Dallas's Vince Carter has missed over 100 shots and only has three Kobe Assists all year. The Lakers have a smarter, more responsive jump-shooting environment than almost any other team in the NBA.

But some of Kobe's misses are even more "effective" than others. So far this season, Kobe has taken 107 close-range shots (within 7.5 feet). He's made 59 percent of them, which is very good, but what is scary is that of his 44 misses in this zone, the Lakers have rebounded 52 percent of them, and immediately put back 32 percent of them. Breaking it down this way raises provocative questions about how we evaluate shooting in the NBA. Out of 100 close-range Kobe shots, 59 go in and 41 miss. Of those 41 misses, the Lakers grab 21 of them; the defense grabs only 20 of them. This means 80 percent of Kobe's close-range shots either result in immediate points or a "fresh 24." Furthermore, out of those 44 misses, 14 will become "put-backs" — so, out of 100 close-range Kobe shots, 59 immediately find the net and 14 more find the net within seconds of being rebounded by a Laker; 73 percent of Kobe's close-range shot attempts become points for the Lakers within five seconds.

Around the league this season, there are other examples of effective misses. Cavs rookie Dion Waiters provides a fascinating case. He's making 36 percent of his 3s so far this season, which is average, but incredibly the Cavs have rebounded 35 of his 54 misses (65 percent) from beyond the arc. Elsewhere, the Knicks put back close-range misses by Carmelo 35 percent of the time. Of course, these high numbers have a lot to do with Anderson Varejao and Tyson Chandler, who are both dominant rebounders, but it's not that simple. The presence of a dominant rebounder does not ensure Kobe Assists. The Rockets have only put back 8 percent of James Harden's 147 missed shots this season despite the presence of Omer Asik, the league's third leading rebounder. Kobe Assists also depend on shot location. Although the Knicks love to rebound and put back Carmelo's close-range misses, they very rarely put back any of Carmelo's mid-range misses, and Knicks fans' subconscious knowledge of this may explain their groans about mid-range Melo. By conventional numbers, Carmelo is a fairly average jump shooter and a slightly above-average close-range scorer, but when we look more broadly at the basketball sequences these numbers take on a completely different tone. The Knicks rebound 55 percent of his close-range misses but only 14 percent of his mid-range misses. When he is close to the basket, good things happen that field goal percentage will never be able to explain. All Carmelo misses are not created equal.

As another example, consider the cases of Elton Brand and Derrick Rose. Conventional wisdom suggests Elton Brand is a better mid-range shooter than Derrick Rose. Over the last two seasons Elton Brand made 381 out of his 782 mid-range jumpers (49 percent). This is really impressive because as a whole the league shoots only 38 percent from mid-range. During the same window, Derrick Rose made 294 of his 724 mid-range shots (41 percent), which isn't bad, but it's much closer to average than to elite. Again, field goal percentage does not tell the whole story. The Bulls rebounded 152 of Rose's 430 misses (35 percent), while the Sixers rebounded only 63 of Brand's 401 misses (16 percent). Looking at these shots through another lens, 62 percent of Rose's mid-range shots result in points or a fresh possession for the Bulls. For Brand, 57 percent of his mid-range shots result in points or a fresh possession for the Sixers. Which is better?

The Rose-Brand comparison suggests that by appending offensive rebounding rate or put-back rate to field goal percentage we can more accurately assess a shot's true value. Every time a shot is released, a potential change of possession gets its wings. An additional reason close-range shots are more effective than mid-range shots is that, when missed, they are rebounded by the offensive team at much higher rates; in other words, they kill possessions at lower rates than jump shots.

You can also think of Kobe Assists as delayed makes. This way it's also easy to reevaluate an individual shooter's shooting efficiency. Our dominant shooting analytic is field goal percentage, which is essentially the number of made shots per 100 attempts. Well, if we extend our temporal window of analysis to account for these delayed makes, we can start to make interesting new inferences about overall shooting efficiency.

Every offensive rebound comes from somewhere. More specifically, every offensive rebound follows a missed shot that was attempted by an offensive player somewhere on the court. By neglecting to evaluate the contrails of offensive rebounding events, we shortchange our understanding of the game. Take, for example, the game's best pure rebounder, Kevin Love, who has recently become a more prolific 3-point shooter. However, when Love takes a 3-point shot he is obviously not in a great rebounding position. As a result, Love's 3-point attempts elicit fewer offensive rebounds and Kobe Assists than those of his teammates. Over the past two seasons, the Wolves have rebounded their own 3-point misses 26 percent of the time. But this number for Love is 20 percent — it's 30 percent for Luke Ridnour. So, while looking at the surface of field goal percentage, Kevin Love seems to be a decent 3-point shooter, but when we examine the sequential nature of the Timberwolves' 3-point shooting his attempts are less efficient than many of his teammates.

Although the smartest basketball analysts evaluate success by possessions, for the most part the temporal extent of basketball analysis remains too narrow. Anyone who has ever acknowledged that the "assist" has some value has therefore admitted that basketball outcomes exhibit sensitive dependence on the events immediately preceding them. But this concept goes well beyond passing, is central to basketball strategy, and is part of what separates basketball from other games we love to measure. Baseball analytics had its epiphany in part because Bill James and others realized that baseball was only barely a team sport, and really could be reduced to a discrete sequence of outcomes that involved singular players competing in sequences of one-on-one scenarios. But basketball achievements do not occur in a vacuum; just as it is rare for one player to be solely responsible for a made basket, it is similarly rare for one player to be solely responsible for other types of events, including rebounds and put-backs.

Although Kobe Assists are admittedly a silly reminder of the natural connectedness of basketball plays, they also provide a real diagnostic of how well offensive ecosystems cooperate. In the taxonomy of the NBA, there are various species of superstars. Different players do different things, and as evidenced by the league's great offenses, like the one in San Antonio, the best teams are the ones that somehow find a way to be greater than the sum of their individual parts. When you step back and think about combining Steve Nash, Kobe Bryant, and Dwight Howard it seems obvious that they would coalesce to become a ridiculous collective scoring device, yet look no further than Mike Brown for proof that this is easier said than done. As Kobe eclipses the 30,000-point milestone, we're reminded of how great a scorer he was, and still is. There's no doubt that Kobe is still the king of the Lakers' offensive ecosystem, and it's up to the Lakers' coaches to devise schemes that both acknowledge and optimize this. Kobe shots will happen, and they will happen a lot, but what happens after them may determine the outcome of this Lakers season.


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[quik1987]

Food for thought

Home much longer would it have taken Kobe to get 30000 if Shaq stayed

How many more rings would he have won

That is all

 

[hybridsoldier23]

Food for thought

Home much longer would it have taken Kobe to get 30000 if Shaq stayed

How many more rings would he have won

That is all

Food for thought...

What if you weren't an herb and stopped coming into our thread with your negativity?

How many more meaningful posts could be read?

How many less ignores would you receive?

Take your Laker hating back to the NBA season thread. That is all.

 

[quik1987]

Why are you so upset?

I don't see how what I said was negative.

I'm not the only non-Laker fan in this thread.

I come in the Lakers thread to talk about the Lakers.

If I get ignored so much why did you respond?

#pleaserespond

 

[flyerthandelta]

Food for thought

Home much longer would it have taken Kobe to get 30000 if Shaq stayed

How many more rings would he have won

That is all

Son are you high?!?!

 

[JCMojica24]

Why are you so upset?
I don't see how what I said was negative.
I'm not the only non-Laker fan in this thread.
I come in the Lakers thread to talk about the Lakers.
If I get ignored so much why did you respond?
#pleaserepspond

Bc we are all walking on eggshells here! I am at least. This season isn't even a quarter of the way over and I feel like it has been going on for 3 years.

 

[kvsm23vs24]

I say we go to OKC and whoop that @ss tomorrow

 

[CHAOSE57]

Food for thought
Home much longer would it have taken Kobe to get 30000 if Shaq stayed
How many more rings would he have won
That is all

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Why are you so upset?

I don't see how what I said was negative.

I'm not the only non-Laker fan in this thread.

I come in the Lakers thread to talk about the Lakers.

If I get ignored so much why did you respond?

#pleaserespond

I swear this dude talks about the Lakers and Kobe more than some fans in here.

 

[hybridsoldier23]

I put him on ignore. He's a Laker hater in the season thread and is only in our thread to antagonize people. He's just being less overt about it in here than this:

Lakers fans so tight, DeBeers be looking to invest in their *****.

I love it.

No homo

 

[mjgreatxii]

Get his *** outta our thread man..
Dudes always talking about kobe and the lakers on nt while at fantasizing about Jeremy Lin.

 

[grandtheftbike]

this reminds me of the guy who said iverson was a great teammate cuz he was able to set up coleman with offensive boards off his missed shots

 

[CP1708]

Quik stays with Lakers on his breath don'he?

Trolls are getting more and more prevalent on this board.

 

[noblekane]

Food for thought...
What if you weren't an herb and stopped coming into our thread with your negativity?
How many more meaningful posts could be read?
How many less ignores would you receive?
Take your Laker hating back to the NBA season thread. That is all.

exactly

my dude is relevant as linsanity is

 

[badboyf0life420]

Lol at one if espn video title..

"Kobe feuding with Dwight Howard? "

Just coz if that one play where Dwight told Kobe off.

 

[duba169]

The disrespect Kobe is getting for this milestone achievement from many talking heads is pathetic