Do You Fear About Having To Work All Your Life?

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Too Many Americans Will Never Be Able to Retire

Without more babies and immigrants, the country won’t be able to support its aging population.

Traditionally, Americans could look forward to a comfortable retirement. After four decades in an office or a factory, sometime in their 60s they would lay down their burdens and enjoy a final couple of decades with time to relax, spend time with family and friends, and reflect on their life. But since the financial crisis, older Americans have been increasingly staying in the workplace:


Some see this as a positive trend, because it adds to the economy. But others rightfully view it with trepidation, because there’s the distinct possibility that many of these elderly people just can’t afford to retire. Whether their nest eggs were wiped out in the housing crash, or they just didn’t save enough, or whether their kids don’t make enough money to support them, the decline of retirement seems like an ominous development.


The pressures on older Americans to work will likely only become greater in the coming years. This is because the young, working population needed to support retirees will see slower growth, and possibly outright shrinkage.


As recently as 2009, the U.S. had unusually high fertility rates for a developed nation. The total fertility rate — the number of children a woman can be expected to have over her lifetime — was about 2.1 children per woman, which is the level required for long-term population stability. But since then, the rate has fallen to 1.8 in 2016, implying long-term population shrinkage:


Much of this is due to a fall in fertility among Hispanics, whose birth rates are converging with those of other groups. The Great Recession was undoubtedly a trigger as well; permanently lower expectations of income and wealth made child-rearing seem like a more financially daunting prospect.


Fewer kids means, eventually, fewer young workers to support an increasing population of retirees. This will result in less money being paid into the Social Security and Medicare systems, requiring either cuts in benefits, a higher retirement age or ever-ballooning deficits. Past experience suggests that Americans will be asked to work longer.


There is one more source of population growth that the U.S. has traditionally depended on — immigration. Low-skilled immigrants make it easier to raise kids by providing cheap child-care services. High-skilled immigrants earn more and pay a lot of taxes, while using few government services themselves, meaning that their fiscal contribution is enormously positive:


In other words, the U.S. may soon find itself without its two big long-term population boosters, and wind up as a graying, shrinking nation, with young people burdened with supporting ever-more old people, and the elderly themselves forced to work long into what used to be the golden years.

In this, the U.S. will be following in the footsteps of Japan. Japan has had low fertility for much longer than the U.S., and until recently had little immigration. Even now, although immigration has been increased, it’s mostly of the low-skilled variety — with uncompetitive low salaries and an ossified corporate culture, Japan has had great difficulty attracting high-skilled foreigners.

As a result, the country’s social security system has come under great strain. As the country grew older and older, Japan repeatedly raised the retirement age, cut benefits and raised taxes on the working population. It also created a wage subsidy for elderly employment, and allowed older people to claim higher total benefits if they delayed their retirements.

This combination of carrots and sticks successfully pushed older Japanese people to stay in the labor force. Both men and women aged 60 through 64 began working much more than before, while employment levels for people aged 65 through 69 recovered to the high levels that had prevailed before Japan’s lost decade in the 1990s. People over 65 are estimated to have raised the country’s employment levels by about 2 million since the economic recovery began in 2012.

This is being hailed as a miracle or good news in some quarters. And it’s true that putting armies of old people to work has helped Japan arrest its economic stagnation despite its lack of skilled immigration or young people. But is this really the solution that the U.S. should want? Is putting grandma and grandpa behind a store counter or in an office into their late 60s and 70s a victory, or a grim necessity?

If the U.S. wants to avoid Japan’s fate, it needs to take steps to avoid Japan’s population structure. Urgent measures to make housing cheaper, such as those suggested by Senator Elizabeth Warren, should be paired with generous child-tax credits and universal pre-K education, in order to bring down the costs of having children. And the U.S. should emphatically reverse course on Trump’s policies toward skilled immigrants, dramatically expanding the number of employment-based green cards and implementing a Canadian-style points-based system for letting in large numbers of skilled foreigners

 
Cant retire cuz new Labrons cost over 200
That's why you buy PG's to save money
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I'll probably work part time or at least per diem in retirement. Don't know what I'll do with all that time in my 60s-70s
 
Yes. This is a global phenomenon, or?
The particulars of the article? Not exactly

It goes on to discuss how because of the younger population fertility rates are decreasing will result in a decrease in the ability to support future retirees and how social security will be affected and things like that
 
I remember working at a grocery store when I was young and there was this 80 year old dude bagging groceries. I said damn that ain't gonna be me. Now 15 years later and I'm starting to understand and accept that it could very well....be me. :lol:
Target or Walmart?

Alot of older folks do it to keep busy
 
Whole Foods.

That could have been the case TBH. But the way things are going with folks having little to no savings, pensions being phased out...seems like we need UBI or better retirement/SS.
Definitely need better social security as it’s slated to run out by 2035. The “millennials” in a rough spot in that regard
 
I remember working at a grocery store when I was young and there was this 80 year old dude bagging groceries. I said damn that ain't gonna be me. Now 15 years later and I'm starting to understand and accept that it could very well....be me. :lol:

you work at Key Food?
 
No. I eat poorly and don’t exercise regularly. Probably get cancer or something that will kill me before retirement.

you wildin b.

if you have kids, which I'm assuming you don't but if you do then..well damn. but take care of yourself homie, kids gonna change your life.
 
This evil Bloomberg article pushing their corporatist agenda doesn't mention Medicare for all, minimum wage increase, and universal basic income. They referenced Elizabeth Warren and her cheaper housing measures... like that means anything when you have medical bills and aren't making a livable wage. The kids you raised can't take care of you because they're in debt from school and their degree is useless. The corporatists don't want to look at the real answers because it will take a bite out of their wallet. Instead they suggest poor people bumping uglies and cheap labor (immigrants) to do their bidding. Their time is about to be over. We gon be alright November 3rd.
 
If I'm working at that age, hopefully it'll be cus I want to not cus I have to.

I'm in my mid 30s and I'm trying to put thing in place now for my future so I'm not cuaght out there.
 
i dont
cause between my pension and 401k
PLUS
my kids are actually gonna be successful
and have GREAT careers
im def not gonna be working all my life
 
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