doc rivers.....

[triplethreat0699]

Does anyone else think this guy was saved by the celtics acquiring garnett and allen among others? I meanits clearly not the coaching in boston getting thosewins now is it. I mean in orlando he has had winning seasons but barely and either missed or got eliminated in the first round every year except last year.This guys a mediocre coach and anlysts hype him up like he has done something great in boston that no other coach would have been able to do. Just my thoughts.Any1 agree or disagree?

 

[lakersfan1]

this has been stated most people agree because they are lakers fans like me

 

[yungmatt]

Doc is FAR from a mediocre coach...No matter how much talent you have on a team you need a good coach to make it work.

 

[jepeh21]

obviously there is a great chance to get a good record when you have 3 all stars on your line up but without a steady coach then its not just going to work outthat way, do i think doc is a great coach? no, but i will say he did a good job with the team last year. to say he's a mediocre coach would be too much.

 

[doublejs07]

He's not the best coach in the world, but let's not discredit him for the job he has done. Case in point, as much as we want to give the players allthe due, he was JUST as big a factor in the C's coming back in game 4 vs. the Lakers. Remember them erasing a 20+ deficit in the 2nd half? That was donewith perfect rotations, where guys like Eddie House played a huge role in the win. He outcoached Phil Jackson, who is regarded by many as one of the top 3coaches to ever grace the NBA.

Also, with your reasoning, you could argue against Phil Jackson (which I won't...) because he had the likes of Jordan, Pip, Shaq, and Kobe. However, youneed the right person to tie it all together to make it work. You can't just put a boob in there like Eddie Jordan and expect the same results. Right now,Doc is a top 5 coach in the NBA. It's been a long journey for him, but he deserves the recognition for the job he is doing.

 

[triplethreat0699]

I guess you could compare to phil jackson BUT he had MJ as rookie not a established veteran from day 1 and same with kobe. Phil helped develop these guys notget them after multiple all star nominations and MvP awards.

 

[vietishi]

Somewhat above average coach. Not many coaches can make all the pieces fit like he did.

 

[DeadsetAce]

yeah cause phil jackson took scrub teams all the way how many times????

 

[the pga tour]

Originally Posted by TRIPLETHREAT0699

I guess you could compare to phil jackson BUT he had MJ as rookie not a established veteran from day 1 and same with kobe. Phil helped develop these guys not get them after multiple all star nominations and MvP awards.

That is not true at all.

 

[rudolph1996]

Originally Posted by TRIPLETHREAT0699

Does anyone else think this guy was saved by the celtics acquiring garnett and allen among others? I meanits clearly not the coaching in boston getting those wins now is it. I mean in orlando he has had winning seasons but barely and either missed or got eliminated in the first round every year except last year. This guys a mediocre coach and anlysts hype him up like he has done something great in boston that no other coach would have been able to do. Just my thoughts. Any1 agree or disagree?

Would Phil Jackson a Mediocre coach without Jordan/Pippen or Kobe/Shaq??? Regardless of the talent around you... you have to coach to be able to win in theNBA.....

 

[you big dummy]

Originally Posted by TRIPLETHREAT0699

I guess you could compare to phil jackson BUT he had MJ as rookie not a established veteran from day 1 and same with kobe. Phil helped develop these guys not get them after multiple all star nominations and MvP awards.

None of that is true, Phil didn't have MJ or Kobe when they were rookies. They had already established themselves as perennial all-stars inthe league before he joined the Bulls and Lakers. MJ and Kobe were already great players, he helped turn their teamsinto NBA Champions.

 

[daprescription]

Doc is a good coach. If you think it's that easy to put a team together and win, then ask Phil Jackson how easy it was when they put 2004 team together.

 

[5am6oody72]

Originally Posted by TRIPLETHREAT0699

I guess you could compare to phil jackson BUT he had MJ as rookie not a established veteran from day 1 and same with kobe. Phil helped develop these guys not get them after multiple all star nominations and MvP awards.

Ok.

 

[23mcpizzle23]

talent can make any coach look good, i mean who knows what Phil would look like without MJ SHAQ or KOBE....

 

[ValarMorghulis]

He definitely outcoached Phil in the finals....
With that said, does that make him a creditable top-tier coach? IMO No. He has a "great" defensive asst. in Tom Tibeadoux(sp?) which is a greatasset. I don't think he is a great teacher, i.e. Larry Brown or Gregg Popovich... I think he is a player's coach with good players around him, beforehe was a players coach with below average YOUNG players and couldn't teach them to be efficient, patient and consistent.
He is however, capable of making a group of individuals buy in to him and each other and become a team, I think he has potential tho.

 

[vietishi]

Iunno how you could compare Phil to Doc because the two are just too different.

 

[triplethreat0699]

with all the B and moaning about the yankees "buying"a championship you never heard anything when the celtics traded for gernett and ray allen, theytoo bought a championship in a sense trasding for big name players, and if doc rivers wins another hell unfortunately go down as a great coach in nba historyalong the likes of gregg poppovich who actually is a real coach which is just a horrible thought.

Oh and eitherway, phil was hired when jordan although established was a young player, and with kobe he still got there when he was a young player. Either wayyou put it, Doc rivers is NO phil jackson, you could put isaaih thomas to coach the celtics and they still would have won a championship. A mediocre coachingcareer except 1 season and suddently this guys a mastermind. Just erks me thats all.

 

[5am6oody72]

Originally Posted by TRIPLETHREAT0699

with all the B and moaning about the yankees "buying"a championship you never heard anything when the celtics traded for gernett and ray allen, they too bought a championship in a sense trasding for big name players, and if doc rivers wins another hell unfortunately go down as a great coach in nba history along the likes of gregg poppovich who actually is a real coach which is just a horrible thought.

Oh and eitherway, phil was hired when jordan although established was a young player, and with kobe he still got there when he was a young player. Either way you put it, Doc rivers is NO phil jackson, you could put isaaih thomas to coach the celtics and they still would have won a championship. A mediocre coaching career except 1 season and suddently this guys a mastermind. Just erks me thats all.

How dare the Celtics trade for big name superstars under the salary cap in an attempt to win a championship. You're right that'sEXACTLY the same as what the Yankees are doing.

Phil got hired by the Bulls in Michael's 7th year in the league. MJ had already done all there was to do outside of winning a championship. Phil may havehelped him over the hump but he didn't do anything to develop MJ as a player besides maybe forcing him to share the ball more.

 

[brendanmaguire]

Originally Posted by 23MCpizzle23

talent can make any coach look good, i mean who knows what Phil would look like without MJ SHAQ or KOBE....

 

[triplethreat0699]

How dare the Celtics trade for big name superstars under the salary cap in an attempt to win a championship. You're right that's EXACTLY the same as what the Yankees are doing.
in a sense i said as in not the same thing. Eitherway, the whole point of the post was to just express how much i think doc rivers sucks as acoach and that any other coach could have done the same. I dont care about Mj, phil; jackson, kobe or any1 else. Just doc rivers and his lack of ability as acoach when he didnt have garnett or allen.

 

[koolbarbone]

The NBA is probably the hardest sport to win without talent.

He got good players, he got results. Simple as that.

 

[you big dummy]

Originally Posted by TRIPLETHREAT0699

How dare the Celtics trade for big name superstars under the salary cap in an attempt to win a championship. You're right that's EXACTLY the same as what the Yankees are doing.

in a sense i said as in not the same thing. Eitherway, the whole point of the post was to just express how much i think doc rivers sucks as a coach and that any other coach could have done the same. I dont care about Mj, phil; jackson, kobe or any1 else. Just doc rivers and his lack of ability as a coach when he didnt have garnett or allen.

He clearly outcoached Phil Jackson in last years finals. Phil had Shaq, Kobe, Payton, Malone one year and that team just barley avoided beingswept from the NBA Finals.

 

[badboyf0life420]

Originally Posted by you big dummy

Originally Posted by TRIPLETHREAT0699

How dare the Celtics trade for big name superstars under the salary cap in an attempt to win a championship. You're right that's EXACTLY the same as what the Yankees are doing.

in a sense i said as in not the same thing. Eitherway, the whole point of the post was to just express how much i think doc rivers sucks as a coach and that any other coach could have done the same. I dont care about Mj, phil; jackson, kobe or any1 else. Just doc rivers and his lack of ability as a coach when he didnt have garnett or allen.

He clearly outcoached Phil Jackson in last years finals. Phil had Shaq, Kobe, Payton, Malone one year and that team just barley avoided being swept from the NBA Finals.

please... from the moment garnett got traded to the celtics last summer.. it was already a fact that they were going to win .. even though we gotpau.. i still knew they would .. i mean really ..
3 superstars >>>>> 2 superstars any day of the week...

but now if the lakers played the celtics this coming finals and we have everyone healthy.. we will see if doc rivers will still outcoach phil as you say..

 

[51and3rd]

Originally Posted by yungmatt

Doc is FAR from a mediocre coach...No matter how much talent you have on a team you need a good coach to make it work.

. Basketball is not football? Anyone could coach that team. Doc = MikeBrown

 

[651akathepaul]

Doc Rivers, I always felt, was mediocre. So, I would say his coaching career was saved by the acquisitions of KG and Ray, but I'm also kind of tired ofthis topic. He won't and shouldn't get fired until they really really mess things up. There is no point to debate this right now, because as long as hehas the big 3, he will win and keep his job. We should bring this back up when he has to do more then set a starting lineup which includes two possibly threefuture hall of famers.