Fact or Fiction: Jodeci & SWV are the greatest Male & Female RnB groups of all time.

[illphillip]

Originally Posted by LuckyLuchiano

Originally Posted by illphillip

^^^

"Right Here" is ONE song dog.

SWV was dope but we're really pushing the definition of GREATNESS here.

How about you just say they're your favorite or appreciate them without feeling the need to proclaim them the greatest like you an AUTHORITY on all male/female R+B groups of ALL TIME?

goldenchild9 nailed it. Isley Brothers are probably also top of the stack.

If things like writing, playing istruments etc. mean anything to you in your definition of greatness.

I'm laughing at you talking about singing like Philip Bailey's range doesn't crush that whole group.

The Entire "It's About Time" album alone is better than any album a female group dropped in the 21 year span of 1990 to 2011. And I`m really basing this off of singing ability, because the groups of the 1970s were maybe more talented in regard to actually making music, but The Combo of KCi and Jo Jo singing lead and Devante Swings brains I cant think of anyone seeing them. Heck Devante Swing fathered the VA movement Timbo and all them had. So in terms of talent Jodeci had one of the most talented RnB figures ever in Devante. (Idk if Id put him over Teddy Riley, but it is a good argument.

I'ma leave it at this because I think your claim is outlandish, but you're entitled to your opinion.

I'm of the belief that no REAL music lover makes these proclamations, because era's are different, music is subjective, and we should just enjoy each artist for what they delivered.

I give Devante all the props in the world. I love Jodeci. This is my era for real. Guy, Force MD's, Hi Five, Jodeci, The Boys and all that.

Freak n' You is phenomenal. That Rae + Ghost rmx is EPIC. I even like Get On Up.

But as a music lover, they not %@#+#$' with EWF. They were a band, and had TIMELESS records, and like I said, Philip Bailey's vocals blow them out.

Sing A Song
Reasons
After The Love Is Gone
September
Shining Star
Let's Groove

And if you really look at the Isley's catalog as well, you can't really +$@* with that either. And we can't just dismiss New Edition from the Bobby years through N.E. Heartbreak.

If you're only talking about female R&B albums from 1990-2011......well that's not really ALL TIME now, is it? Great albums don't = greatest groups.

You should've posted "Can We". That's my +$%*.

 

[luckyluchiano]

Originally Posted by illphillip

Originally Posted by LuckyLuchiano

Originally Posted by illphillip

^^^

"Right Here" is ONE song dog.

SWV was dope but we're really pushing the definition of GREATNESS here.

How about you just say they're your favorite or appreciate them without feeling the need to proclaim them the greatest like you an AUTHORITY on all male/female R+B groups of ALL TIME?

goldenchild9 nailed it. Isley Brothers are probably also top of the stack.

If things like writing, playing istruments etc. mean anything to you in your definition of greatness.

I'm laughing at you talking about singing like Philip Bailey's range doesn't crush that whole group.

The Entire "It's About Time" album alone is better than any album a female group dropped in the 21 year span of 1990 to 2011. And I`m really basing this off of singing ability, because the groups of the 1970s were maybe more talented in regard to actually making music, but The Combo of KCi and Jo Jo singing lead and Devante Swings brains I cant think of anyone seeing them. Heck Devante Swing fathered the VA movement Timbo and all them had. So in terms of talent Jodeci had one of the most talented RnB figures ever in Devante. (Idk if Id put him over Teddy Riley, but it is a good argument.

I'ma leave it at this because I think your claim is outlandish, but you're entitled to your opinion.

I'm of the belief that no REAL music lover makes these proclamations, because era's are different, music is subjective, and we should just enjoy each artist for what they delivered.

I give Devante all the props in the world. I love Jodeci. This is my era for real. Guy, Force MD's, Hi Five, Jodeci, The Boys and all that.

Freak n' You is phenomenal. That Rae + Ghost rmx is EPIC. I even like Get On Up.

But as a music lover, they not %@#+#$' with EWF. They were a band, and had TIMELESS records, and like I said, Philip Bailey's vocals blow them out.

Sing A Song
Reasons
After The Love Is Gone
September
Shining Star
Let's Groove

And if you really look at the Isley's catalog as well, you can't really +$@* with that either. And we can't just dismiss New Edition from the Bobby years through N.E. Heartbreak.

If you're only talking about female R&B albums from 1990-2011......well that's not really ALL TIME now, is it? Great albums don't = greatest groups.

You should've posted "Can We". That's my +$%*.

I said EWF is more talented in the sense of being a band of musicians, but In terms of actual singing, I dont think anyone is seeing Jodeci, maybe I should re word the title of the thread.

With SWV once again I feel in the sense of Singing ability I don't see anyone messing with them. I will say that when it comes to En Vogue I never listened to their catalog in a whole compared to other groups, but they never really drew me in.

 

[goldenchild9]

They almost outsung some of the best songs from HoF singers....   > 



  

 

 

[goldenchild9]

Originally Posted by illphillip

I'm of the belief that no REAL music lover makes these proclamations, because era's are different, music is subjective, and we should just enjoy each artist for what they delivered.

I give Devante all the props in the world. I love Jodeci. This is my era for real. Guy, Force MD's, Hi Five, Jodeci, The Boys and all that.

Freak n' You is phenomenal. That Rae + Ghost rmx is EPIC. I even like Get On Up.

But as a music lover, they not %@#+#$' with EWF. They were a band, and had TIMELESS records, and like I said, Philip Bailey's vocals blow them out.

Sing A Song
Reasons
After The Love Is Gone
September
Shining Star
Let's Groove

And if you really look at the Isley's catalog as well, you can't really +$@* with that either. And we can't just dismiss New Edition from the Bobby years through N.E. Heartbreak.

If you're only talking about female R&B albums from 1990-2011......well that's not really ALL TIME now, is it? Great albums don't = greatest groups.



Co-sign all of this.

 

[luckyluchiano]

The Production on this was so ahead of it's time. And Then DJ Paul flipping it on Neighborhood Pro

 

[chopperville]

Yall in here trippin

. No Silk mention???

 

[addict4sneakers]

the jackson 5

young michael sang "i'll be there" like a grown man that lost his woman

 

[mossman75]

Aint no way in hell Jodeci can match up vocally with EW&F

 

[memphisboi55]

I can get down with you on Jodeci.

 

[Nujavez]

goldenchild9 wrot

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[n ll k 3]

My man has the nerve to question Phillip Bailey's vocals?!

EWF is +@!@%##+ on all of these groups and I'm a huge fan of all of them. This thread title is borderline disrespectful. Their 'Greatest Hits' album comes w/ 3 disks.

 

[doublejs07]

Phillip Bailey on Easy Lover >>>>>

(and he outdid Phil Collins on his own track)

*Yall must REALLY like to get illphillip's blood boiling with some of this dumb !#!# u post.

 

[foxdawg2000]

forever my lady was in heavy rotation during my high school days with chicks

... they love that joint .. (this was like 02-03, like 10+ plus years after it came out)

 

[4one5]

That stretch from like 94-98 was epic. 112, En Vogue, Dru Hill, Blackstreet, Allure, Boyz II Men, KCi & Jojo, SWV, etc.

 

[deuce king]

This is a great thread regardless if we all collectively agree or not.  Between this thread and the hip-hop love era thread there's alot of great music being posted.  I love it.

 

[scotthallwithapick]

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

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*Yall must REALLY like to get illphillip's blood boiling with some of this dumb !#!# u post.

 

[riverdale road]

Can't go wrong with none of the groups mentioned but you can't forget New Edition.

 

[illphillip]

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Phillip Bailey on Easy Lover >>>>>

(and he outdid Phil Collins on his own track)

*Yall must REALLY like to get illphillip's blood boiling with some of this dumb !#!# u post.

HA! It's all good actually. I enjoy discussing music and these kinds of outlandish claims just make it easier for me to go OFF.

Another thing with New Edition.....look at all the success they SPAWNED.

Bobby Brown solo.
Ralph T solo.
Bell Biv Devoe.
Johnny Gill (had done some work before NE, but then went on to do "My, My, My" and others, be in LSG etc.)

All of them had HITS with NE, massive CLASSIC records after NE.

PROPS.

 

[luckyluchiano]

Originally Posted by illphillip

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Phillip Bailey on Easy Lover >>>>>

(and he outdid Phil Collins on his own track)

*Yall must REALLY like to get illphillip's blood boiling with some of this dumb !#!# u post.

HA! It's all good actually. I enjoy discussing music and these kinds of outlandish claims just make it easier for me to go OFF.

Another thing with New Edition.....look at all the success they SPAWNED.

Bobby Brown solo.
Ralph T solo.
Bell Biv Devoe.
Johnny Gill (had done some work before NE, but then went on to do "My, My, My" and others, be in LSG etc.)

All of them had HITS with NE, massive CLASSIC records after NE.

PROPS.

imo only dudes in NE that could "sang" was Gill, Ricky and Ralph could sing, but it wasnt any thing to make you say "lawd", Bobby Brown cant really sing to me, he just knows how to make good music. ie. The Dream

 

[dmv is rnb]

as a vocalist...I must say that you have to be on the STRONGEST of drugs to even think of saying Jodeci can sing better than Phillip Bailey

and I'm a huge huge Jodeci fan. But is this real life?

 

[n ll k 3]

The man's nickname is "The Voice".

 

[dathbgboy]

The 3 elements were the truth. Valid arguments could be made for either them or Jodeci bein better. B2M were good but weren't touching Jodeci. Sillk were not even close either.

KCi and JoJo could hit some notes but Phillip on "I'll write a song for you" /game

The Female R&B group argument is not as simple. I would put SWV,En Vogue, and Xscape up against each other. The Supremes, meh, their lead singer wasn't their best so...

 

[illphillip]

Originally Posted by LuckyLuchiano

Originally Posted by illphillip

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Phillip Bailey on Easy Lover >>>>>

(and he outdid Phil Collins on his own track)

*Yall must REALLY like to get illphillip's blood boiling with some of this dumb !#!# u post.

HA! It's all good actually. I enjoy discussing music and these kinds of outlandish claims just make it easier for me to go OFF.

Another thing with New Edition.....look at all the success they SPAWNED.

Bobby Brown solo.
Ralph T solo.
Bell Biv Devoe.
Johnny Gill (had done some work before NE, but then went on to do "My, My, My" and others, be in LSG etc.)

All of them had HITS with NE, massive CLASSIC records after NE.

PROPS.

imo only dudes in NE that could "sang" was Gill, Ricky and Ralph could sing, but it wasnt any thing to make you say "lawd", Bobby Brown cant really sing to me, he just knows how to make good music. ie. The Dream

You on this "sangin'" *@#@, and sleepin' on Philip Bailey and EWF? OK.

@@%@ all the semantics. New Edition were MASSIVE.

If 3/5 of New Edition (Heartbreak era) can sing, and only 2/4 of Jodeci can sing, well then you do the math.

Just the sheer number of hit records they had and the tours BODIES Jodeci.

Again, NE singers went on to have MASSIVE records outside of NE. And they also influenced a massive era in Pop music that included New Kids, Backtreet, N Sync etc.

And if you don't think records like "Crucial" or "NE Heartbreak" or Biv/Bell Biv Devoe and Bobby Brown bringing that grimy, raunchy, hood element to R+B, influenced Jodeci, you are out of your mind.

And we haven't even talked about the Jackson 5 enough. Who obviously influenced NE.

Add The Isley Brothers and we're really reaching with this.

 

[spot rusherz]

>>>>>>

 

[dipsetgeneral]