Fidel Castro has Died at 90

[luckyluchiano]

“I’m for truth, no matter who tells it. I’m for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I’m a human being first and foremost, and as such, I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole”

Dudes rather fellate these men than adhere to their message

Case in point:
Wouldn't I already be telling you something you know black man? Or is that none of your business too?





"I probably am a dead man already. When you understand the makeup of the Muslim movement and the psychology of the Muslim movement, as long as any—I myself, by having confidence in the leader of the Muslim movement, if someone came to me and I had no knowledge whatsoever of what had taken place, and they told me what I'm saying, I would kill them, myself. The only thing that would prevent me from killing someone who made a statement like this, they would have to be able to let me know that it's true."






"A man who can genuinely smile at the prospect of his own demise is a man who knows that his own demise is hardly the end of him."


I know you dont really care about this stuff but its all available for you to research so you can educate yourself and properly be informed.
You saying this like X was alive 10 years later to see Castro become the dictator that killed his own ppl black and white alike.

**** Farrakhan and Elijah.

Go read some of your previous post, that is not true in many instances.

Still see nothing about Elijah ordering a hit on Malcolm like you said in the other thread. You even posted the same ol out of context Farrakhan clip that white supremacist use.

 

[luckyluchiano]

Huh? So I can't form opinions and observations on other places, cultures or peoples based on experiences from travelling? Then how we do learn about other cultures and what's going on in the world?

Then might as well that we can't take that into account if we go anywhere, even to places we visit in our own cities.

Thats NT rules not mine lol

 

[mvp07]

Gotta be able to have differences of opinion, especially on a message board . Dumb people stay getting irritated when they hear something different. It even sounds mad dumb when you hold basic knowledge on the subject and then involve your emotion to voice your lackluster opinion.

When we are saying Castro is a huge figure in revolution, we are looking at the overall context of his reign. Historically, he had unprecedented success based on what he is able to overcome and achieve. This does not mean we discount his over the top civil rights violation that happened later on under his leadership. Even his own worst enemies won't over look his accomplishment when looking at the horrible things he had done.

From starting with a mere 100 men to serving time for his failed revolution, to growing the revolution & overtaking, to the dreams he had for Cuba (which in the early years, it was great for the average Cuban citizen), to convincing the average Cuban at the time that "he too can be great", to be being one of the greatest Orator in history, to standing up to a great power - even when it didn't benefit him, to actually out surviving even his massive counterparts - The Soviets, to surviving the crazy attempts at his life, massive coup attempts, to beating the CIA at every corner & building his own formidable intelligence agencies (flipping agents), to out survive every US president that wanted him dead, to helping the many African countries that were anti-imperialist. Etc...

The tortures, the human right violation, the missing folks etc... Yes, it was evil - I don't see anyone excusing that. But looking at the history of "Bay of Pigs" and the constant fear of the US agencies relentless pursuit for capture/kill, ever increasing horrible crippling sanctions (sanctions that left the country to pretty much rot and survive on its own - who did that?). The man low key went paranoid and just like his adversaries, he made terrible decisions under those conditions. Decisions, that will obviously taint his legacy for the worst.

If we had a US president that has been in the White House for 60 years, how would history judge him based on the historical context. Blocking civil rights of the people whose backs were used to build this country, dogs on innocent protestors, massive incarceration, the crazy Tuskegee experiments, Both character & actual physical assassinations... ETC... And the obvious countless great things US has done in a massive scale, for everyone on Earth, overshadows that horrible part. (tech, finance, education, healthcare... ... etc)

 

[luckyluchiano]

Gotta be able to have differences of opinion, especially on a message board . Dumb people stay getting irritated when they hear something different. It even sounds mad dumb when you hold basic knowledge on the subject and then involve your emotion to voice your lackluster opinion.

When we are saying Castro is a huge figure in revolution, we are looking at the overall context of his reign. Historically, he had unprecedented success based on what he is able to overcome and achieve. This does not mean we discount his over the top civil rights violation that happened later on under his leadership. Even his own worst enemies won't over look his accomplishment when looking at the horrible things he had done.

From starting with a mere 100 men to serving time for his failed revolution, to growing the revolution & overtaking, to the dreams he had for Cuba (which in the early years, it was great for the average Cuban citizen), to convincing the average Cuban at the time that "he too can be great", to be being one of the greatest Orator in history, to standing up to a great power - even when it didn't benefit him, to actually out surviving even his massive counterparts - The Soviets, to surviving the crazy attempts at his life, massive coup attempts, to beating the CIA at every corner & building his own formidable intelligence agencies (flipping agents), to out survive every US president that wanted him dead, to helping the many African countries that were anti-imperialist. Etc...

The tortures, the human right violation, the missing folks etc... Yes, it was evil - I don't see anyone excusing that. But looking at the history of "Bay of Pigs" and the constant fear of the US agencies relentless pursuit for capture/kill, ever increasing horrible crippling sanctions (sanctions that left the country to pretty much rot and survive on its own - who did that?). The man low key went paranoid and just like his adversaries, he made terrible decisions under those conditions. Decisions, that will obviously taint his legacy for the worst.

If we had a US president that has been in the White House for 60 years, how would history judge him based on the historical context. Blocking civil rights of the people whose backs were used to build this country, dogs on innocent protestors, massive incarceration, the crazy Tuskegee experiments, Both character & actual physical assassinations... ETC... And the obvious countless great things US has done in a massive scale, for everyone on Earth, overshadows that horrible part. (tech, finance, education, healthcare... ... etc)

Remember breh this is NT, where logic doesnt exist

 

[daddy style]

I was just told that many of the posters here are not who I think they are. That said, they can win.

 

[me love nutella]

Gotta be able to have differences of opinion, especially on a message board . Dumb people stay getting irritated when they hear something different. It even sounds mad dumb when you hold basic knowledge on the subject and then involve your emotion to voice your lackluster opinion.

When we are saying Castro is a huge figure in revolution, we are looking at the overall context of his reign. Historically, he had unprecedented success based on what he is able to overcome and achieve. This does not mean we discount his over the top civil rights violation that happened later on under his leadership. Even his own worst enemies won't over look his accomplishment when looking at the horrible things he had done.

From starting with a mere 100 men to serving time for his failed revolution, to growing the revolution & overtaking, to the dreams he had for Cuba (which in the early years, it was great for the average Cuban citizen), to convincing the average Cuban at the time that "he too can be great", to be being one of the greatest Orator in history, to standing up to a great power - even when it didn't benefit him, to actually out surviving even his massive counterparts - The Soviets, to surviving the crazy attempts at his life, massive coup attempts, to beating the CIA at every corner & building his own formidable intelligence agencies (flipping agents), to out survive every US president that wanted him dead, to helping the many African countries that were anti-imperialist. Etc...

The tortures, the human right violation, the missing folks etc... Yes, it was evil - I don't see anyone excusing that. But looking at the history of "Bay of Pigs" and the constant fear of the US agencies relentless pursuit for capture/kill, ever increasing horrible crippling sanctions (sanctions that left the country to pretty much rot and survive on its own - who did that?). The man low key went paranoid and just like his adversaries, he made terrible decisions under those conditions. Decisions, that will obviously taint his legacy for the worst.

If we had a US president that has been in the White House for 60 years, how would history judge him based on the historical context. Blocking civil rights of the people whose backs were used to build this country, dogs on innocent protestors, massive incarceration, the crazy Tuskegee experiments, Both character & actual physical assassinations... ETC... And the obvious countless great things US has done in a massive scale, for everyone on Earth, overshadows that horrible part. (tech, finance, education, healthcare... ... etc)

Thanks for expressing our views eloquently and putting it all in context.

Great post.

 

[Master Zik]

Remember breh this is NT, where logic doesnt exist

Says dude with the thats none of my business logic

Still see nothing about Elijah ordering a hit on Malcolm like you said in the other thread. You even posted the same ol out of context Farrakhan clip that white supremacist use.

Oh so we playing the semantics game

I see. You think you Dr. Narcisse but turn in to any old pawn real quick.

This is what I said:

The same Elijah Muhammad X openly claimed ordered his death?

Then I post the 2 Malcolm vids and now you playing coy.

So Malcolm didn't say Elijah ordered his death. He said Elijah wanted him dead. Okay

 

[luckyluchiano]

Says dude with the thats none of my business logic
Oh so we playing the semantics game

I see. You think you Dr. Narcisse but turn in to any old pawn real quick.

This is what I said:
Then I post the 2 Malcolm vids and now you playing coy.

you posted random youtube clips that have been posted over and over again.

You simply can't post proof, you are simply posting out of context clips to imply something the original interviews have nothing to do with.

Time Stamp Malcolm literally saying Elijah Muhammad is ordered my death.

Even then that is not proof that Elijah killed Malcolm, that would simply proof Elijah failed to kill Malcolm, but someone else succeeded.

You are an emotional creature that continues to ignore logic because the logic doesn't make you feel good inside. lol

You do realize if Elijah killed Malcolm it would have been more beneficial to send Elijah Muhammad to jail? The NOI had well over 100k followers after Malcolms Death meanwhile Malcolm Struggled to hold an audience after leaving the NOI.

You say Elijah is a Fool yet Malcolm till his death carried the name Shabazz which was literally a sign that he honored the teachings of his teacher even if they disagreed.

Do you even know the meaning behind Shabazz? It has nothing to do with Orthodox islam, so if Malcolm "rejected" Elijahs teachings he could have easily changed his last name to Muhammad to pay tribute to the Prophet like Most Orthodox Muslims.

Lol you sound like one of these clowns who learned everything they know about Malcolm via the Spike Lee movie.

 

[JPS]

all the idiot and peon talk is just sniped from the misc

 

[Maximus Meridius]

While Elijah and Malcolm had beef the FBI was also tapping his phone and put rats within the organization. You can't just say he had Malcolm killed and that's it. We don't know who did it.



Lucky, chill bruh this ain't the fight.

 

[luckyluchiano]

all the idiot and peon talk is just sniped from the misc

try again papi.

 

[luckyluchiano]

While Elijah and Malcolm had beef the FBI was also tapping his phone and put rats within the organization. You can't just say he had Malcolm killed and that's it. We don't know who did it.



Lucky, chill bruh this ain't the fight.

Man y'all better than me. These dudes think I`m trying to diss then when I call them idiots, nah I`m stating what I see. A Smart person won't speak on things they don't know about and opinion as if they are fact. This clown is literally posting the same youtube clips white supremacist post when ht comes to Malcolm lol.

Only mistake I made in this thread is giving time to people who think they are smarter than they actually are.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Like a grown man

 

[Master Zik]

I didn't say he had Malcolm killed. That's how Malcolm felt. That's what Malcolm said when talking about his life being in danger.

He also spoke on US agents surveilling him too. I'm not saying I know who put out the hit on him or ordered his assassination.

I mean we do know the men who killed Malcolm in front of his children were members of the nation. Between Elijah and Farrakhan they were giving anti-Malcolm speeches short of directing direct violence against the man.

all the idiot and peon talk is just sniped from the misc

I know. Its pathetic.

you posted random youtube clips that have been posted over and over again.

You simply can't post proof, you are simply posting out of context clips to imply something the original interviews have nothing to do with.

Malcolm's own words aint proof?

We're not talking about proof of who killed him. We're talking about Malcolm saying Elijah wanting him dead.

Time Stamp Malcolm literally saying Elijah Muhammad is ordered my death.

Semantics.

One vid Malcom says that's why he wants me dead. Other vid Malcolm testified that any loyal member to Elijah would kill a person for saying what he said. He even goes further to say if Elijah's son hadn't brought these facts to him he would kill a person saying this about Elijah and not even give the claim a 2nd look.

Those are Malcolm's words.

Keep playing semantics boy.

Even then that is not proof that Elijah killed Malcolm

You got a reading comprehnsion problem. You got real hurt in this post jumping to conclusions. I never said anything about there is proof that Elijah killed Malcolm.

I replied to somebody bringing up Elijah and Malcolm. I said the same Elijah that Malcolm said ordered his death. This is replying to dude bringing up Castro and how Malcolm rocked with him. I bring up a comparison and parallel with Malcolm and Elijah. You then hop in thirsty as **** focused on the word "order" when you know damn well Malcolm thought and knew Elijah and many members of the nation wanted him dead but you don't want to talk about that. Guess that aint none of ya businesss either.

Malcolm USE to rock with Elijah. Then he realized Elijah was ***** made and not a real man and left the nation and exposed Elijah. Denounced him publicly repeatedly.

I say that to say had Malcolm lived long enough he would not be rocking with Castro in the 70s and onward when he started killing his own ppl. He would be denounced him publicly all the same.

Its a pity I have to explain it to you for you to get it.

I mean **** man, Malcolm X went out like it was a damn firing sqhad and you're telling me about how Malcolm and Castro were friends when this fools goes on to put countless innoccents in front of firing squads.

Black man LOST.

 

[Based Jesus]

Gotta be able to have differences of opinion, especially on a message board

. Dumb people stay getting irritated when they hear something different. It even sounds mad dumb when you hold basic knowledge on the subject and then involve your emotion to voice your lackluster opinion.

When we are saying Castro is a huge figure in revolution, we are looking at the overall context of his reign. Historically, he had unprecedented success based on what he is able to overcome and achieve. This does not mean we discount his over the top civil rights violation that happened later on under his leadership. Even his own worst enemies won't over look his accomplishment when looking at the horrible things he had done.

From starting with a mere 100 men to serving time for his failed revolution, to growing the revolution & overtaking, to the dreams he had for Cuba (which in the early years, it was great for the average Cuban citizen), to convincing the average Cuban at the time that "he too can be great", to be being one of the greatest Orator in history, to standing up to a great power - even when it didn't benefit him, to actually out surviving even his massive counterparts - The Soviets, to surviving the crazy attempts at his life, massive coup attempts, to beating the CIA at every corner & building his own formidable intelligence agencies (flipping agents), to out survive every US president that wanted him dead, to helping the many African countries that were anti-imperialist. Etc...

The tortures, the human right violation, the missing folks etc... Yes, it was evil - I don't see anyone excusing that. But looking at the history of "Bay of Pigs" and the constant fear of the US agencies relentless pursuit for capture/kill, ever increasing horrible crippling sanctions (sanctions that left the country to pretty much rot and survive on its own - who did that?). The man low key went paranoid and just like his adversaries, he made terrible decisions under those conditions. Decisions, that will obviously taint his legacy for the worst.

If we had a US president that has been in the White House for 60 years, how would history judge him based on the historical context. Blocking civil rights of the people whose backs were used to build this country, dogs on innocent protestors, massive incarceration, the crazy Tuskegee experiments, Both character & actual physical assassinations... ETC... And the obvious countless great things US has done in a massive scale, for everyone on Earth, overshadows that horrible part. (tech, finance, education, healthcare... ... etc)

Daddy Style excused it for the white ones only but besides him what I do see is a lot of people attempting to stifle discussion on it, because it doesn't match up with their idealized view of Castro. And that I have a problem with. I have a problem with it being brought up and others going "Well america did it too" like that makes it ******* better.

I have a problem with it being brought up and people going "Well that's none of (y)our business" because historically that's how people get ******.

Through others refusing to speak or act on injustice. And as a black man that's how a lot of our ancestors and people we know today and even some of us got ******. 

So I don't know how some can cry oppression from the mountaintops and when someone else's comes up they'll dance all night because they like the guy doing the oppressing. It's less insulting to everyone including themselves if they just say they don't care instead of savion glovering around the subject refusing to touch it.

Engaging in whataboutism, making asinine restrictions on what can be discussed, feigning ignorance AFTER being told or just insulting others is not a good look.

I separate Castro's message from Castro the man because the man disgusts me.

The message is good. The message lives on. The message inspires. 

The man harmed those he could have helped the most because he, a revolutionary, was scared of revolution.

The man can burn in hell if there is one. If there isn't, him being cremated suffices I guess. Either way burning is involved.

 

[AEA18]