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UF hasn't scheduled an OOC opponent outside of the state of Florida in 20 years.
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Originally Posted by Mamba MVP
^This
I hope this team can pull a miracle and be like 2006 (with this gauntlet schedule), but even at his worst Leak was 100x the QB that this clown Brantley is. Maybe I need to add "Team Brantley sucks" to my sig too
Originally Posted by dreClark
F$Ucks is a different deal though, as evidenced by God saying enough and allowing them to finally beat us last season and subsequently turning some key recruits in their favor.
Originally Posted by Dade B0Y
UF hasn't scheduled an OOC opponent outside of the state of Florida in 20 years.
Originally Posted by Dade B0Y
UF hasn't scheduled an OOC opponent outside of the state of Florida in 20 years.
?Originally Posted by Statis22
We all discussing moot points, Florida did play Miami last year.
Originally Posted by University of Nike
Miami? Why would Florida want to schedule another Division II team when they're already playing Furman? They might as well schedule Florida Institute of Technology or the University of Tampa while they're at it.
Originally Posted by 10508 Cardo Jr Ln
Originally Posted by Dade B0Y
UF hasn't scheduled an OOC opponent outside of the state of Florida in 20 years.
Is that.. is that mangina I smell?
Originally Posted by 10508 Cardo Jr Ln
Originally Posted by Dade B0Y
UF hasn't scheduled an OOC opponent outside of the state of Florida in 20 years.
Is that.. is that mangina I smell?
Originally Posted by Newbs24
Originally Posted by grusumm18
Originally Posted by zs05wc
Mauk to Mizzou.
pulled a neo there
shane and chance to follow = no need this yr (i know conventional wisdom says take one every yr, but might as well get 2 dts)
Myabe the can sell Devin Fuller on starting out at QB but moving if he has a better shot somewhere else. I would love for him to be the late season surprise. I think he could be a good WR.
Originally Posted by Mamba MVP
?Originally Posted by Statis22
We all discussing moot points, Florida did play Miami last year.
We played Miami (OH) not Cocaine U
Convenient how you left out of your bolded for emphasis text, "She is adding the citations, grammar, formatting." Which, when you look at the statement in its entirety, says that he completed everything on the paper but the grammatical corrections and the formatting of the citations to APA format. I'm also glad to see you jump to the conclusion that the paper is plagiarized. You probably read that off of packpride or whatever VTs rivals/scout board you frequent. The NCAA didn't even make this determination as they said he committed academic fraud because the tutor formatted the works cited page for him and made grammatical corrections to his paper.Originally Posted by 5am6oody72
You're right in that he wasn't found guilty of multiple fraud violations over several semesters by the honor court. Happy? However, I doubt he can say he has much of a case when:Originally Posted by Juicy J 32
You have no idea what you are talking about.Originally Posted by 5am6oody72
aasckwjef McAdoo sonned himself with that lawsuit. I definitely thought he had a case until I saw today that a good bit of his paper is plagiarized; 10 paragraphs straight copy and pasted. The honor court didn't catch that but grimey NC State fans did.
Clearly he either didn't know you couldn't do that or he didn't write the paper, cus he'd be a damn fool to file this lawsuit otherwise
In our NOA letter the NCAA cited MM being out for multiple academic fraud violations over several semesters. UNC honor court found him not guilty on one paper, the student attorney general didn't even review one case because there was no evidence of academic misconduct, and he was found guilty by the honor court and suspended for spring 2011 semester because he e-mailed the tutor his paper for review and she reformatted his works cited page into APA format. Being found guilty once does not equal multiple times. He's got a strong case. I can see the NCAA revisiting their decision based on the new evidence and reinstating him for this season, while "saving face" by blaming their original decision on UNC as they failed to provide the facts/results from his cases with the honor court.
NC State fans and VT fans want our program to get the death penalty and Butch to get the can in the worst way, but that $!*@ isn't going to happen.
A) Just because the honor court didn't find him guilty, doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. The NCAA is not a criminal court; they don't have to prove he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They are also not obligated to go on the ruling of a student-led honor court. BTW, the difference in one of the cases that the honor court found insufficient evidence for was that the tutor said in her email something like, "Great job Mike! I added your citations and bibliography." The honor court said that because she said "your" instead of "my" that it was reasonable to conclude that he could have done the citations and bibliography, but she just put them all together in one document for him.In the case he was found guilty her language in the email was entirely clear that she had done the work for him. He also admitted to reaching out to this tutor after she graduated and he had been assigned another one because he was used to her providing help with the citations, so it's pretty obvious that it happened more than just once. I honestly don't give a $%$$ if the tutor did all that for him, but if the NCAA reviewed that evidence it is entirely reasonable for them to conclude on their own that she did the work for him in those three instances, despite what the honor court said.
B) If you bother to actually read the paper and look at all the examples that have been cited, he's clearly guilty of plagiarism so he would have to be pretty audacious to claim that the NCAA was negligible in overstating his academic misconduct when it was in reality worse than UNC or the NCAA even alleged. If he hadn't plagiarized the paper I agree with you that he might have had a case(which I said in my first post) because having somebody format a works cited page is pretty minor.
In the original appeal to the NCAA, UNC's legal counsel said "We understand that the AMA suggests this is academic fraud; we are not arguing that. We have two main reasons to litigate. The first one is the nature of the assistance. THIS WORK REFLECTS HIS IDEAS EXCLUSIVELY. IT IS NOT A RIP OFF. THIS REALLY IS HIS WORK."
Except it's not. McAdoo also stated to NCAA officials that he personally wrote the entire paper and found and identified all his sources, and his work with the tutor was an honest effort to properly cite everything and avoid plagiarism. Either he was saying that to save his own $!%, he has no idea what plagiarism is, or he knows what it is but didn't write the paper and didn't know that whoever put it together simply copied and pasted entire paragraphs from books/websites. Either way, do you expect the NCAA to revisit its ruling when everything he told them in the appeal can either be proven to be a lie and/or expose even more severe academic fraud?
It would be like if I got fired from my job because they told me I failed 3 consecutive drug tests and tested positive for marijuana. I come back with the drug tests and say, "I was wrongfully terminated because I only tested positive for marijuana once, I only should have been warned/suspended." Then they look at the results and say, "Yea, but now that we look at these tests again you also tested positive for heroine, so shut up."
If it were up to me I would reinstate McAdoo, because he stands a lot more of a chance at succeeding in life if he's able to play next year and make it to the league somehow. Nobody's ever going to ask him to write a paper on Swahili in the real world. But I can't feel sorry for him or think his lawsuit has merit if he ripped off somebody else in the assignment.
All this academic stuff is whatever; it happens at every university and IMO doesn't make the player a bad person at all; perhaps lazy, dishonest, or too willing to take shortcuts at worst. None of it leads to an advantage in recruiting or on the field so I don't really care, I just found it funny that he would sue the NCAA for damages knowing that his paper, which he plagiarized, would be evidence in court, and had to respond when you so arrogantly told me I had no idea what I was talking about.
I don't want UNC to get the death penalty, but I would like to see Butch get canned. It's just funny to me to see so many people staunchly defend him as if he's innocent in all of this despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary (big shock that he hired this same tutor afterwards, and she was the same one that paid $1700 worth of a player's parking tickets. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though). I don't know if they are just THAT big of a homer fanbase that they can't see it, or they just don't care since Butch is the only one that capable of leading them to those Meineke Car Care Bowl victories
Originally Posted by dreClark
I think you guys need to involve Deonte Thompson in your offense more. He is the key to a NC.
Trenton Irwin proved he shouldn't be overlooked. |
Trenton Irwin catches 1,500 passes on many weekends. |
Originally Posted by November33rd
Originally Posted by dreClark
I think you guys need to involve Deonte Thompson in your offense more. He is the key to a NC.
Originally Posted by AirMaxBuckeye
Eighth-grader hangs with high school elite
Brian Perroni
Recruiting Analyst
DALLAS - A dozen of the best high school 7-on-7 travel teams competed for the New Level/BadgerSport national championship tournament last weekend at SMU, but there was one particular matchup everyone wanted to see: Southern California squads Team 1925 and Team B2G, and the two dozen Division I prospects between them.
But part of that game's starting lineup did not quite look as if he belonged among the future college talent. Lining up alongside these seemingly grown men was a baby-faced, a 155-pound 14-year-old named Trenton Irwin. The opposing team, as well as most observers, paid him little attention.
Trenton Irwin proved he shouldn't be overlooked.
At least, not heading into the game.
But on the first play of the game, Irwin made a move at the line and ran a deep go route. Team B2G quarterback Marc Evans hit him in stride for a touchdown. The defensive backs weren't quite sure what to make of the kid.
Did he really just score a 40-yard touchdown on the first snap of the contest?
Irwin is used to those looks by now. After all, he is just a kid. However, nobody realizes just how young he is. This past fall, Irwin suited up for the Santa Clarita Indians of the Pacific Youth Football League. He did so because he was not yet in high school.
"It's definitely different being out here and being so much younger than everybody else," said Irwin, who will be a freshman this fall at Newhall (Calif.) Hall. "These are guys who have already committed to play for colleges and I haven't even taken a class in high school yet."
While Irwin's prowess on the field surprises most of his opponents, not all of them overlooked the young kid lined up on the outside.
"I know who he is," Team 1925 cornerback and Rivals100 prospect Ishmael Adams said. "We've played against (B2G) enough times and seen what he can do enough times that we all know who he is. He's good - he's real good. It's not just some kid that they brought along for the show of it. He's one of their best receivers. He's good."
Irwin lined up against cornerbacks such as four-star prospects Tee Shepard, Richard Smith and Darion Monroe, and holds his own.
"He catches 1,500 balls a lot of weekends," his father, Craig Irwin, said. "We take him out to work with..quarterback gurus in L.A. He catches balls from all those quarterbacks that work out with those guys. He gets to work out for free with them. It's a good deal for him.
"He was telling me that, going against (Shepard), he used three moves in the first three plays and then was like, 'I've got nothing left. I don't know what else to do to get open.' He still has to work on things like that but, I can tell you one thing, he's not going to drop any balls. We've got that part down."
With most other players in the tournament trying to decide which college to attend, Irwin has also recently been faced with a decision about his future school: What high school to attend.
Trenton Irwin catches 1,500 passes on many weekends.
"We've been looking at a bunch of different (high) schools," Craig Irwin said. "We really have been looking at all the options. He was looking at going to St. Bonaventure to play with Marc (Evans). We also looked at Oaks Christian and some others as well.
"He decided he wanted to play at Hart (in Newhall, Calif.) though. We really did it to play with the same quarterback. He has a really good QB on his youth team that is going to be one of the better players in California and he had already decided to go to Hart. ? Trenton is actually going to be the first freshman to start on varsity there."
His B2G team did not win the tournament, as Irwin was forced to watch rival Team 1925 take the crown. However, he sees playing against elite competition that is at least three years older as a great experience.
"How many other guys my age can say they have played with and against players like this?" he asked. "I've read about these guys for years and I'm playing on the same team with a lot of them. A guy like Tee Shepard, he's going to Notre Dameand I'm lining up against him. I'm basically just an eighth-grader still."
Though Irwin's skills on the field belie his age, he still shows flashes of being a kid. Asked about his height and weight, he is embarrassed to admit that he is actually a bit lighter than the advertised 160 pounds. He sees many big and strong opponents, and realizes he is not there yet.
"It's actually around 150 or 155," he admitted. "I'm skinny, I know. I need to put on some weight."
Last January, Irwin was named the offensive MVP of the Eastbay Youth All-American Bowl in conjunction with the U.S. Army All-American Bowl in San Antonio. He wants to follow in the footsteps of fellow tournament participants Shepard, Shaq Thompson and Deontay Greenberry.
"That would be awesome, to play in the Army game like those guys," Irwin said. "I've gotten to see it in person and there are all kinds of big-name guys there. I would love to be one of those guys someday."
Of course for Irwin, he'll have to wait until January 2015 for that "someday" to become reality.