HOLIDAY 2021 - Cool Grey 11

[James_O]

11’s are my favorite model. They look and smell great. I even tried them on and they feel exactly like my 2018 Concords which I know are legit. I’m guessing my pairs are real but I’m crazy paranoid. If they are fake they are by far the best I’ve ever seen.

I say just wear em man, you love the shoe.

 

[keepemfresh]

Just watched the vid of the reps being made. Interesting watch, but unless you’re blind, you can clearly tell those CG11’s are fake as f*** and look like sh**

As for AJ1’s, it’s a different story. Those are are nearly 1:1. From what I could tell, the only way for me to spot them is how easy the toe box wrinkles.

 

[Quiggles706]

Bro… Keep it a bean. They’re the same damn shoe at this point.

****’s wild… but I get it. Nike pretty much brought this on themselves.

I’m not agreeing with them being 1 to 1 but Nike definitely caused it. These people making reps that look nearly identical for cheaper and apparently made to order. I’m not a poser, so I can’t bring myself to buying them just to say I have the shoes.

Crazy part is I got into a argument today on a Reddit because I asked them if they are truly sneakerheads, why they only buying fakes of hyped shoes, it’s because they capping.

 

[rainking]

The brazen promoting of their counterfeit business is what I find most interesting about that video. Just asking to get shut down/arrested
Lemme make an IG account with a phone number as I post videos of me robbing ATMs for people LOL
Also, I can’t believe we’re still debating if there is a difference between real and fake after all these years and so many threads. The idea of “UA” pairs is moronic. The idea the official factories just make more shoes off the books is moronic.
Why? Because if that was the case, there would be NO DIFFERENCES. But there are, however minor.
Check out the vid AllGrails posted in the Off White thread of real v fake OW 2s. Obvious differences. Maybe the reason fake XIs and 1s etc are so good is, it’s not that difficult to reverse engineer some simple sneakers. Obviously the OW 2s are a bit more complicated to replicate, hence why the fakes of certain models sometimes take a few rounds for the makers to perfect and get right. If they were truly coming from the real factories, this wouldn't ever happen as the shoes would be spot-on from the jump. Have you seen how good top-level fakes of Swiss watches are? And those are WAY more complex than some shoes. Yet no one on Earth has ever suggested Rolex’s or Omega’s or whatever Swiss watch company’s workers are making extra watches after hours and sneaking them out the back door to sell. It’s nonsense.

 

[pwguy]

As has been said before, the real issue is passing off fakes for real and charging as such. If someone is into fakes (to save money or they strike out on RD), and pays a "fake price" (ex. $100; maybe even $150), fine. I recall a decade ago they were like $65 or less. It's the lying to people that is the real problem. If I pay real money/retail or more, I want real shoes damn it.

 

[James_O]

Just watched the vid of the reps being made. Interesting watch, but unless you’re blind, you can clearly tell those CG11’s are fake as f*** and look like sh**

As for AJ1’s, it’s a different story. Those are are nearly 1:1. From what I could tell, the only way for me to spot them is how easy the toe box wrinkles.

And the Air Jordan symbol. But those are the only two dead giveaways, and it’s still hard as **** to tell.

 

[rafbuddy]

Even Nikes real joints look fake to me. Craftsmanship and quality garbage.

 

[kingsrborn]

As far as the resell apps/sites are concerned, is Goat the best out of them all? Im asking because I know people who only use them on the secondary market, because it's guaranteed that you're going to get a real pair of whatever you're buying. I always thought that's why they charge more, because they have a way more detailed strenuous authentication protocol compared to StockX and Ebay. If that's the case, why do so many people complain about their prices when the risk of buying fakes is way too high on the resell market?

I would want to pay that extra $100.00 for piece of mind, rather than be paranoid of having a fake pair, or going through obstacles on trying to get a refund that takes some to do, and that's even if you can get a refund. StockX has some good prices on a couple of shoes that i want, but I've heard way too many horror stories about StockX, while i haven't heard anything negative about Goat at all. The resell market is nothing to play with because you're paying alot of money in that market, so why would you want to gamble like that, just to save a couple of dollars, when you're already willing to play in the same ball park when it comes to the price range these shoes go for.

This discussion is kind of odd, because it's as if alot of us want to be cheap in a expensive secondary market, which risks us buying fakes, just because we want to save a couple of dollars. Which will turn out to be a bigger loss once you've recognized that you overpaid just for some fakes.

 

[1c3m4m]

That ua vid is crazy

Are there comparison vids yet

 

[kidstaten]

after recent events I would have no problem at all buying fakes at a proportionate price.

At least I’d wear them. I’d also tell people they were fake with no hesitation. Everyone that knows me knows I have a room just for double boxed ds NDC pairs. 8 pairs of WCIVs still with the footlocker bag and receipt untouched. I have nothing to prove or be ashamed of. It was more embarrassing spending this much time on this ******** to be 100% honest.

I bet if they started selling those in an organized manner, it would be about a year max before those get botted and resold too with full transparency. It would push up quality too.

Everything now is for the image the real thing is not important anymore for anything.

I legit think this would be accepted quick. When IG first came out you see a girl you saw online like wowwwww, in person they didn’t look as good and it was like nope pass.. she’s lying.

I was at lunch with my 18 year old intern like 2 years ago and he was enamored with some not great looking girl. I’m like man to be honest I don’t see the allure but that’s all you, and he’s like yoo but look how she looks on IG.

I’ve had younger cousins confirm the same thing. It’s crazy, but it’s real. They pull up the IG and show a heavily filtered pic. Expecting my opinion on this average at best female to be swayed

Whatever works

 

[aceofjays]

I use GOAT for the most part, but ain’t nothin guaranteed unfortunately

 

[rbk93]

kingsrborn I don't know about the best, but GOAT is my most used. Prices are comparable between the platforms, just depends the shoe.

 

[mr s j king]

This is what we're up against.

Was hoping there was a closeup of the bottom of the insoles

That would've help solve the stockx/FC fake or not fake debate

 

[WesleyPipes]

Was hoping there was a closeup of the bottom of the insoles

That would've help solve the stockx/FC fake or not fake debate

You know I don't even think that'll help

 

[James_O]

As far as the resell apps/sites are concerned, is Goat the best out of them all? Im asking because I know people who only use them on the secondary market, because it's guaranteed that you're going to get a real pair of whatever you're buying. I always thought that's why they charge more, because they have a way more detailed strenuous authentication protocol compared to StockX and Ebay. If that's the case, why do so many people complain about their prices when the risk of buying fakes is way too high on the resell market?

I would want to pay that extra $100.00 for piece of mind, rather than be paranoid of having a fake pair, or going through obstacles on trying to get a refund that takes some to do, and that's even if you can get a refund. StockX has some good prices on a couple of shoes that i want, but I've heard way too many horror stories about StockX, while i haven't heard anything negative about Goat at all. The resell market is nothing to play with because you're paying alot of money in that market, so why would you want to gamble like that, just to save a couple of dollars, when you're already willing to play in the same ball park when it comes to the price range these shoes go for.

This discussion is kind of odd, because it's as if alot of us want to be cheap in a expensive secondary market, which risks us buying fakes, just because we want to save a couple of dollars. Which will turn out to be a bigger loss once you've recognized that you overpaid just for some fakes.

You literally can’t be 100% sure unless you order STRAIGHT from the manufacturer/retailer. Fakes have passed through GOAT, StockX, and eBay before. It happens, but they try their best. (Except StockX, ima never trust them)

It’s so disgusting that it’s gotten to a point where we can’t even trust the “authenticators” to sift out the fakes. We are always paranoid af.

 

[HellRazor1978]

Just watched the vid of the reps being made. Interesting watch, but unless you’re blind, you can clearly tell those CG11’s are fake as f*** and look like sh**

As for AJ1’s, it’s a different story. Those are are nearly 1:1. From what I could tell, the only way for me to spot them is how easy the toe box wrinkles.

I must be blind then. Cause they look SPOT ON.

 

[nephi215]

That ua vid is crazy

Are there comparison vids yet

 

[James_O]

Plot twist: Nike is making the fakes as well

 

[jshortt]

As far as the resell apps/sites are concerned, is Goat the best out of them all? Im asking because I know people who only use them on the secondary market, because it's guaranteed that you're going to get a real pair of whatever you're buying. I always thought that's why they charge more, because they have a way more detailed strenuous authentication protocol compared to StockX and Ebay. If that's the case, why do so many people complain about their prices when the risk of buying fakes is way too high on the resell market?

I would want to pay that extra $100.00 for piece of mind, rather than be paranoid of having a fake pair, or going through obstacles on trying to get a refund that takes some to do, and that's even if you can get a refund. StockX has some good prices on a couple of shoes that i want, but I've heard way too many horror stories about StockX, while i haven't heard anything negative about Goat at all. The resell market is nothing to play with because you're paying alot of money in that market, so why would you want to gamble like that, just to save a couple of dollars, when you're already willing to play in the same ball park when it comes to the price range these shoes go for.

This discussion is kind of odd, because it's as if alot of us want to be cheap in a expensive secondary market, which risks us buying fakes, just because we want to save a couple of dollars. Which will turn out to be a bigger loss once you've recognized that you overpaid just for some fakes.

I've had issues with both goat and stockx. Bought something from goat's used section, and dude CLEARLY continued to wear them after he took the listing pics. Pair showed up beat to death and when I complained, goat told me "sorry, the pics were clear and we believe accurately represent what you received. Feel free to sell them on our used store if you're unhappy." Couldn't file the charge back quick enough.

 

[WesleyPipes]

LMAOOO I couldn't watch that video for more than 6 seconds that dude sounds like Elmer Fudd

 

[airsully23]

 

[str8cashhomie]

I've been extremely paranoid that I received a UA/rep from Kickscrew based on this thread and a few comparison videos on Youtube. My Cool Greys had the blue stamp inside the shoe and the weird table debossed on the bottom of the insole. I got out my 2018 Concords (purchased directly from Nike) and those also had the blue QC stamp (see photo) and the debossing. The insole on the left is from the Concord. The insole on the right is the Cool Grey from KC. FWIW, my Cool Grey box also had a small round QC sticker, which I've heard people say is a red flag.

I also used a black light on the Cool Greys and confirmed there aren't any "tracing" lines visible which basically was the final peace of mind I needed. There were multiple times during the process that I questioned whether the Real vs UA/rep debate is even relevant anymore. I do think that if people are fraudulently selling them, thats a problem, but if fans just want a rep to enjoy and wear around at a reasonable price then more power to them.

I think for people who started collecting decades ago, 'fakes' carry a huge huge stigma, largely because their quality was so poor. So I know this can be a sensitive topic. Realistically, I dont think the quality gap is that wide anymore, if it even exists. If Nike's QC and supply chain are this lacking, I don't necessarily think 'fakes' = inferior (though many obviously are). As someone with a background in manufacturing, I can see certain reps actually having higher QC standards because they know they will be scrutinized that much more closely on resale platforms. I actually think the real risk is reps eventually work their way into the retail supply, meaning employees of sneaker stores are swapping them out prior to release date (either on a one-off basis or in a very broad organized way). I'm sure at a high level Nike has protocols to prevent this, but once deliveries arrive at retailers they have very little control. Essentially, at that point, there would be no reliable "source of truth" for what qualifies as a "real" pair. Sorry, I didn't intend to get philosophical.

TLDR: if you have the weird table on the bottom of your insole, that doesn't mean your pair is fake.

 

[shawndavinci]

whats up w these cheap auctions, saying this 0 feedback seller sold 21 size 12.5s for $250 ea. which i refuse to beleive. Is he actually getting away w this, i thought ebay holds the money until the shoes are authenticated?

 

[kidstaten]

I think for people who started collecting decades ago, 'fakes' carry a huge huge stigma, largely because their quality was so poor.

You got philosophical and it got me started

The stigma probably came from the fact that, in my world at a least, you got fakes to save money or bc you didn’t know how to get the real ones. It was like when your mom got you US Polo assn at Marshall’s for back to school, Might as well be US Polo assassination bc it was over for you day one.

That was the era of a poser being the worst thing you could be in the white world and not being “real” being the worst thing everywhere else. So if you had fakes it meant you were trying to be in the mix but it was a visual reminder you weren’t really In it.

Fun fact NiceKicks was fake **** headquarters.

And If the general public could have got a 1:1 pair back then there is a 0% chance they wouldn’t buy them. I was around Canal street all the time growing up, if it looked real, people bought it and lied all day.

 

[thenewjs23]

The brazen promoting of their counterfeit business is what I find most interesting about that video. Just asking to get shut down/arrested
Lemme make an IG account with a phone number as I post videos of me robbing ATMs for people LOL
Also, I can’t believe we’re still debating if there is a difference between real and fake after all these years and so many threads. The idea of “UA” pairs is moronic. The idea the official factories just make more shoes off the books is moronic.
Why? Because if that was the case, there would be NO DIFFERENCES. But there are, however minor.
Check out the vid AllGrails posted in the Off White thread of real v fake OW 2s. Obvious differences. Maybe the reason fake XIs and 1s etc are so good is, it’s not that difficult to reverse engineer some simple sneakers. Have you seen how good top-level fakes of Swiss watches are? And those are WAY more complex than some shoes. Yet no one on Earth has ever suggested Rolex’s or Omega’s or whatever Swiss watch company’s workers are making extra watches after hours and sneaking them out the back door to sell. It’s nonsense.

Who’s going to arrest them? China’s government gives no damns unless you're bribing them to protect your brand.

I turned 41 last year, and my love affair for Jordan’s started when my older (by 8 years) cousin rocked a fresh pair of a military blues back in the 89’. His much younger (by about 20 years) brother introduced me to “reps”, he has a mix of retail and “Reps”. He stocks his retail pairs and rocks his reps. Some of his reps are superior to the retails.

I miss the days of walking into the store and trying on kicks to see which size I prefer. Currently, you cop and hope they fit. I have the SJs in a 12 and they fit perfect. Got the 2019 bred 11s and Cool Grey in a 12 and they are too tight. I tried to get a 12.5 and a 13 in both, no luck.