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[flatbushfiyah23]

Originally Posted by PolosandDunks

Originally Posted by FlatbushFiyah23

Originally Posted by PolosandDunks

Originally Posted by FlatbushFiyah23

^Knowing when his expected release date is proves NOTHING at all. Sadly your not able to comprehend that. And why does J. Cole have to have mainstream appeal to be "successful"?! There are plenty of artist who are successful and have a hardcore fanbase without having commercial appeal?

And J. Cole struggles at song making?! I would love to know who (young rappers) is better at that because all the artists you mentioned even some of whom I actually like are nowhere close to Cole when it comes to song structure. One thing I have always given credit to Cole which is better than any young rapper I have seen is that he knows how to make a damn song.

Are you serious? All them dudes mentioned make better songs then him. J.Coles hooks SUCKKKK too. You sounding stupid again

. Like i said numerous times im a J.Cole fan to the extreme but im not going to sit here and act like he's not lacking a ton of stuff. You just sound like he can do no wrong. Get ya mind right...

You really said Cole has strong song structure? PLEASE give me these songs

. All he can do is rap. Outta ALL those dudes he has the worst when it comes to young rappers, Drake, Wiz, and even Sean have better ones. Lets be real... which comes to why he aint drop SINCE.

His expected release says a lot. How we supposed to support when he is never dropping

. I never said he had to have mainstream appeal.  All im saying is he needs to turn it up... boring *@# flow, predicable, songs suck, singles suck....

I dont care about a hot 16/24 here and there, college loans and more boring stuff. Where are the songs? Cuz the current ones are poor as hell. Point me in the direction of those songs with that "crazy" song structure your talking about since you cant give me an "expected" release date..other then that im not responding back

If I or anyone says Cole's expected release date is tomorrow what does that prove?!

 It proves absolutely nothing.
What you don't realize is that I am actually the same kind of hip-hop listener.  I can care less about just being able to spit but more about the ability to make good songs.  
All J. Cole can do is rap and not make good songs huh?! What have you been listening to?! Only his freestyles?!

First of let me define what is a good song:

A good song = Good lyrics structured in multiple verses that are coherent along with a solid hook/chorus with a theme that follows or is repeated throughout the song.

Examples from J. Cole that fit this definition:

Lights Please

Loosing My Balance

Loves Me Not

I Get Up

Dollar & A Dream 2

Enchanted

Higher

Blow Up

It Won't Be Long

Premediated Murder

Home For The Holidays

In The Morning

Can I Live

Hold It Down

I am sure those who know good music and appreciate good song writing and structure would agree that all of those songs fit that definition. 

You point about not knowing an expected release date says a lot is nonsensical! Nobody knew Drakes release date after his third mixtape......until it was announced.  Now dude was in a different situation with Cash Money and it is what it is but the problem with listeners like you is you expect everyone to "blow up" with the same formula.  There is not one blueprint to success smh.  

But according to you J. Cole's flow is boring (why are you in this thread?), predictable (oh really so you know what the subject matter of every song he releases is going to be about??),  and songs/singls suck (again why are you in this thread?).

Now that I have pointed in the direction of the songs of Cole's that have song structure take the hate out of your heart and wax out of your ears and re-listen before you respond back with more foolishness. 

  if you only knew...

Why am I in this thread? Son did you not see me say I am a huge fan but im not going to front like son isnt boring and stale nowadays? I said it MANY times. Did you read through my post or did you just read over those parts. Did you not see me say that im a fan?

You act like I think he sucks or Im A Lil B fan. No... J.Cole songs just suck and his hooks do too..PERIOD (as of late). Son just aint been exciting and needs to turn it up....point blank... everyone mentioned has been putting out better MUSIC then him and im not even a fan of a lot of those guys. Dont act like they havent...if you believe that your just a stan.

His songwriting hasnt got any better. Maybe his album (whenever/if that ever drops) or his next mixtape will and then I will rejoice and be happy. As of NOW though nah his hooks and songs suck...He got a few gems here and there.

@ you making it out to be like im a J.Cole hater. Stop the nonsense, his next mixtape I will anticipate and download AS SOON as it comes out...i just aint going to sit here and act like everything is cool though with his music...Thats what stans do. Not fans...

Im sorry for the rant, maybe im just putting too much hope in him to be a game changer... Maybe i should stop. At least Nas had style with it.

Your entitled to your opinion man.  But I honestly think your expectations are a bit ridiculous....you're listening to J. Cole's music and expecting it to be "exciting". What does that even mean?! If you have pre-conceived expectations about how music should be before you listen to it then are you even really able to appreciate the music?! Just some food for thought...

I just listed a ton of J. Cole tracks that fit the criteria for good song writing and structure.  I don't know what else you want but I guess if fireworks don't explode and angels don't sing from the heavens then the music isn't "exciting enough.

 

[|A-Man|]

You're a "big fan" but think his music is stale and boring "nowadays"???? Do you think he's just hit a rough patch and are hoping he gets out of it and back to making good music? What is "nowadays"? What exactly is stale and boring about him now?

You scoff at ppl saying Cole has strong song structure so I have to ask what exactly are you a big fan of? You don't care about a hot 16 or 24 so what do you like about J. Cole? His looks? According to you, compared to other freshmen he sucks at making songs and that's why he'll never drop. Why are you in this thread?

You're either a liar that hasn't really given Cole's music any real chance and actually just hate him or you're troll talking out your @*+ posting a whole lotta nonsense using the stan card to make your point seem valid. Actually you're probably both.

 

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[lbj23navo]

Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

You're a "big fan" but think his music is stale and boring "nowadays"???? Do you think he's just hit a rough patch and are hoping he gets out of it and back to making good music? What is "nowadays"? What exactly is stale and boring about him now?

You scoff at ppl saying Cole has strong song structure so I have to ask what exactly are you a big fan of? You don't care about a hot 16 or 24 so what do you like about J. Cole? His looks? According to you, compared to other freshmen he sucks at making songs and that's why he'll never drop. Why are you in this thread?

You're either a liar that hasn't really given Cole's music any real chance and actually just hate him or you're troll talking out your @*+ posting a whole lotta nonsense using the stan card to make your point seem valid. Actually you're probably both.

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[flatbushfiyah23]

Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

You're a "big fan" but think his music is stale and boring "nowadays"???? Do you think he's just hit a rough patch and are hoping he gets out of it and back to making good music? What is "nowadays"? What exactly is stale and boring about him now?

You scoff at ppl saying Cole has strong song structure so I have to ask what exactly are you a big fan of? You don't care about a hot 16 or 24 so what do you like about J. Cole? His looks? According to you, compared to other freshmen he sucks at making songs and that's why he'll never drop. Why are you in this thread?

You're either a liar that hasn't really given Cole's music any real chance and actually just hate him or you're troll talking out your @*+ posting a whole lotta nonsense using the stan card to make your point seem valid. Actually you're probably both.

All valid questions that I doubt dude answers since all he is focused on is Cole's release date which proves nothing.

 

[dbbabd]

Originally Posted by presequel

Originally Posted by PolosandDunks

Originally Posted by Ace Rawstein

Originally Posted by PolosandDunks

Originally Posted by Ace Rawstein

Originally Posted by FlatbushFiyah23

Originally Posted by MusicalExcellence

Originally Posted by FlatbushFiyah23

Ehhh....you dudes worry way to much about sales.  Cole is a damn good rapper who makes good music.  If you are fan continue to support the good music he makes.  I honestly can care less if Cole has a single that the masses are into.  As long as he continues to put out good music and a good album that's all I care about.

I am sure someone will argue that if he doesn't have a single that "everyone" is listening to then his album will never come out.  However, I necessarily do not believe that to be true.

fans care about sales because if u favorite artists dont sell they dont drop... see j cole...

nobody cares about that _ and his average music

I am a fan of plenty of artists that I support who will never do major numbers and I along with many other fans don't care at all.  We support them and will continue to support them because they make quality music. Why do I care if my favorite artists sell a ton of units but the album isn't full of quality music?! As a fan that situation does nothing for me.

And the problem with society is everyone has no patience or acceptance for artists development.  J. Cole has dropped 3 mixtapes which I am pretty sure is the same amount of mixtapes Drake had out before he dropped.  I would like to see dude drop his debut this year but its not like he has not put in the work/time other recent successful rappers have done.  The whole talk about J. Cole will never drop is quite premature and absurd.

cosign on all that.
the fact to bring up Roc Nation not caring n all that bs is crap and ppl really not knowing WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING BOUT.

Hov just signed Jay Electronica late last year and we all know he aint about to be nobody superstar...so dead that isssh bout the label not wanting to waste doe

They gonna eat off Willow Smith and the ppl that eat up pop....Cole still buildin up his fanbase OWN HIS ON, not wearing the Jay-Z cosign on his sleeve...its a slow climb but ayy it is what it is.

Yall still making excuses. building up his fanbase? 

... All I want to know is when is his release date? ill wait... even expected.

Son had that first single which was subpar "Who Dat". Dont nobody wanna hear that in the clubs and im a J.Cole fan. Yall just not being realistic...

why do u keep talking bout "who dat" tho 

...the isssh was never nutin. if u peep one of his interviews he said he went with the first song that was semi-melodic cuz the label needed sum to push why they booked him radio interviews....let it go man.
and where are the excuses my dude??....BoB had a number 1 song! Has a gold album due to humongous Pop songs ...now please tell where are all the BoB fans? Where are the ppl anticipating or caring about anything he workin on? Ill wait... same wit Wale, Big Sean any1?...expected release date my $%$, if u aint got no fans.

im sayin...if Cole was to make this "hit" song that erybody loves it still wouldnt mean isssh far as longevity goes if ppl only care about that one song....if he can get loyal fans outside of the 13 of us than thats more meaningful...i believe those songs will come tho to capture the average casual fan ear, at least I hope

a fanbase is important especially when u aint no gimmick rapper in the times of gimmick rap. 

My dude, When is his expected release though? Saying everything but that

. Now "Who Dat" was never nothing?

They put money in that record AND the video?. Talking bout it was never nothing

Please dont compare BoB to J.Cole. Actually dont ever even put em inthe same sentence. BoB actually got some type of mainstream appeal andcan make records work. J.Cole? Hell Nah. BoB has fans. Yall ___'sletting a NT message board dictate who has fans and a fanbase? 

.Go outside fam.  I Told you this before...i love sons music anddedication but yall just tainting the reality. Snap backinto reality b. BoB, Wale, AND Sean actually have ###$ popping thisyear so far. What about Cole? Exactly... Sean just got a single with ChrisBrown, Wale is making even better music with MMG and the hottest rapper out, BoB already gotplaques and will be getting more.

Cole? my dude is sitting on the shelf and no release date, no songs remotely hot, or any singles that are remotely poppin

. yall talking bout building a fanbase. How? Theres no anticipation. Where are his SONGS. He's the most stale out the whole bunch. Its not evenabout being a gimmick. Son just is boring and struggles at making songs, his songwriting sucks...(Onceagain I like J.Cole and i hope he does do his thing).

Like i asked before. When is his expected release? answer that then ill shut up...

also, whats funny about this is that Wale opens up for J Cole on tour. 

Yall dudes sound foolish as hell. *$$ you talking about j cole flow is boring. He is spittin real $@+%. Maybe you cant relate. His songs have so much substance unlike alot of new rappers. And I hate WALE. His flow is garbage, son is straight do doo

 

[sweettooth 17]

Originally Posted by PolosandDunks

Originally Posted by FlatbushFiyah23

Originally Posted by PolosandDunks

Originally Posted by FlatbushFiyah23

^Knowing when his expected release date is proves NOTHING at all. Sadly your not able to comprehend that. And why does J. Cole have to have mainstream appeal to be "successful"?! There are plenty of artist who are successful and have a hardcore fanbase without having commercial appeal?

And J. Cole struggles at song making?! I would love to know who (young rappers) is better at that because all the artists you mentioned even some of whom I actually like are nowhere close to Cole when it comes to song structure. One thing I have always given credit to Cole which is better than any young rapper I have seen is that he knows how to make a damn song.

Are you serious? All them dudes mentioned make better songs then him. J.Coles hooks SUCKKKK too. You sounding stupid again

. Like i said numerous times im a J.Cole fan to the extreme but im not going to sit here and act like he's not lacking a ton of stuff. You just sound like he can do no wrong. Get ya mind right...

You really said Cole has strong song structure? PLEASE give me these songs

. All he can do is rap. Outta ALL those dudes he has the worst when it comes to young rappers, Drake, Wiz, and even Sean have better ones. Lets be real... which comes to why he aint drop SINCE.

His expected release says a lot. How we supposed to support when he is never dropping

. I never said he had to have mainstream appeal.  All im saying is he needs to turn it up... boring *@# flow, predicable, songs suck, singles suck....

I dont care about a hot 16/24 here and there, college loans and more boring stuff. Where are the songs? Cuz the current ones are poor as hell. Point me in the direction of those songs with that "crazy" song structure your talking about since you cant give me an "expected" release date..other then that im not responding back

If I or anyone says Cole's expected release date is tomorrow what does that prove?!

 It proves absolutely nothing.
What you don't realize is that I am actually the same kind of hip-hop listener.  I can care less about just being able to spit but more about the ability to make good songs.  
All J. Cole can do is rap and not make good songs huh?! What have you been listening to?! Only his freestyles?!

First of let me define what is a good song:

A good song = Good lyrics structured in multiple verses that are coherent along with a solid hook/chorus with a theme that follows or is repeated throughout the song.

Examples from J. Cole that fit this definition:

Lights Please

Loosing My Balance

Loves Me Not

I Get Up

Dollar & A Dream 2

Enchanted

Higher

Blow Up

It Won't Be Long

Premediated Murder

Home For The Holidays

In The Morning

Can I Live

Hold It Down

I am sure those who know good music and appreciate good song writing and structure would agree that all of those songs fit that definition. 

You point about not knowing an expected release date says a lot is nonsensical! Nobody knew Drakes release date after his third mixtape......until it was announced.  Now dude was in a different situation with Cash Money and it is what it is but the problem with listeners like you is you expect everyone to "blow up" with the same formula.  There is not one blueprint to success smh.  

But according to you J. Cole's flow is boring (why are you in this thread?), predictable (oh really so you know what the subject matter of every song he releases is going to be about??),  and songs/singls suck (again why are you in this thread?).

Now that I have pointed in the direction of the songs of Cole's that have song structure take the hate out of your heart and wax out of your ears and re-listen before you respond back with more foolishness. 

  if you only knew...

Why am I in this thread? Son did you not see me say I am a huge fan but im not going to front like son isnt boring and stale nowadays? I said it MANY times. Did you read through my post or did you just read over those parts. Did you not see me say that im a fan?

You act like I think he sucks or Im A Lil B fan. No... J.Cole songs just suck and his hooks do too..PERIOD (as of late). Son just aint been exciting and needs to turn it up....point blank... everyone mentioned has been putting out better MUSIC then him and im not even a fan of a lot of those guys. Dont act like they havent...if you believe that your just a stan.

His songwriting hasnt got any better. Maybe his album (whenever/if that ever drops) or his next mixtape will and then I will rejoice and be happy. As of NOW though nah his hooks and songs suck...He got a few gems here and there.

@ you making it out to be like im a J.Cole hater. Stop the nonsense, his next mixtape I will anticipate and download AS SOON as it comes out...i just aint going to sit here and act like everything is cool though with his music...Thats what stans do. Not fans...

Im sorry for the rant, maybe im just putting too much hope in him to be a game changer... Maybe i should stop. At least Nas had style with it.

Get that hatred out ya heart son..

 

[CUNNiNGH4M]

Originally Posted by dbbabd

Originally Posted by presequel

Originally Posted by PolosandDunks

Originally Posted by Ace Rawstein

Originally Posted by PolosandDunks

Originally Posted by Ace Rawstein

Originally Posted by FlatbushFiyah23

Originally Posted by MusicalExcellence

Originally Posted by FlatbushFiyah23

Ehhh....you dudes worry way to much about sales.  Cole is a damn good rapper who makes good music.  If you are fan continue to support the good music he makes.  I honestly can care less if Cole has a single that the masses are into.  As long as he continues to put out good music and a good album that's all I care about.

I am sure someone will argue that if he doesn't have a single that "everyone" is listening to then his album will never come out.  However, I necessarily do not believe that to be true.

fans care about sales because if u favorite artists dont sell they dont drop... see j cole...



nobody cares about that _ and his average music

I am a fan of plenty of artists that I support who will never do major numbers and I along with many other fans don't care at all.  We support them and will continue to support them because they make quality music. Why do I care if my favorite artists sell a ton of units but the album isn't full of quality music?! As a fan that situation does nothing for me.

And the problem with society is everyone has no patience or acceptance for artists development.  J. Cole has dropped 3 mixtapes which I am pretty sure is the same amount of mixtapes Drake had out before he dropped.  I would like to see dude drop his debut this year but its not like he has not put in the work/time other recent successful rappers have done.  The whole talk about J. Cole will never drop is quite premature and absurd.

cosign on all that.
the fact to bring up Roc Nation not caring n all that bs is crap and ppl really not knowing WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING BOUT.

Hov just signed Jay Electronica late last year and we all know he aint about to be nobody superstar...so dead that isssh bout the label not wanting to waste doe

They gonna eat off Willow Smith and the ppl that eat up pop....Cole still buildin up his fanbase OWN HIS ON, not wearing the Jay-Z cosign on his sleeve...its a slow climb but ayy it is what it is.

Yall still making excuses. building up his fanbase? 

... All I want to know is when is his release date? ill wait... even expected.

Son had that first single which was subpar "Who Dat". Dont nobody wanna hear that in the clubs and im a J.Cole fan. Yall just not being realistic...

why do u keep talking bout "who dat" tho 

...the isssh was never nutin. if u peep one of his interviews he said he went with the first song that was semi-melodic cuz the label needed sum to push why they booked him radio interviews....let it go man.
and where are the excuses my dude??....BoB had a number 1 song! Has a gold album due to humongous Pop songs ...now please tell where are all the BoB fans? Where are the ppl anticipating or caring about anything he workin on? Ill wait... same wit Wale, Big Sean any1?...expected release date my $%$, if u aint got no fans.

im sayin...if Cole was to make this "hit" song that erybody loves it still wouldnt mean isssh far as longevity goes if ppl only care about that one song....if he can get loyal fans outside of the 13 of us than thats more meaningful...i believe those songs will come tho to capture the average casual fan ear, at least I hope

a fanbase is important especially when u aint no gimmick rapper in the times of gimmick rap. 

My dude, When is his expected release though? Saying everything but that

. Now "Who Dat" was never nothing?

They put money in that record AND the video?. Talking bout it was never nothing



Please dont compare BoB to J.Cole. Actually dont ever even put em in
the same sentence. BoB actually got some type of mainstream appeal and
can make records work. J.Cole? Hell Nah. BoB has fans. Yall ___'s
letting a NT message board dictate who has fans and a fanbase? 

.
Go outside fam.  I Told you this before...i love sons music and
dedication but yall just tainting the reality. Snap back
into reality b. BoB, Wale, AND Sean actually have ###$ popping this
year so far. What about Cole? Exactly... Sean just got a single with Chris
Brown, Wale is making even better music with MMG and the hottest rapper out, BoB already got
plaques and will be getting more.



Cole? my dude is sitting on the shelf and no release date, no songs remotely hot, or any singles that are remotely poppin

. yall talking bout building a fanbase. How? 
Theres no anticipation. Where are his SONGS. He's the most stale out the whole bunch. Its not even
about being a gimmick. Son just is boring and struggles at making songs, his songwriting sucks...(Once
again I like J.Cole and i hope he does do his thing).



Like i asked before. When is his expected release? answer that then ill shut up...

also, whats funny about this is that Wale opens up for J Cole on tour. 

Yall dudes sound foolish as hell. +*$ you talking about j cole flow is boring. He is spittin real +%*%. Maybe you cant relate. His songs have so much substance unlike alot of new rappers. And I hate WALE. His flow is garbage, son is straight do doo

u can spit real @@#+ and be boring... and u like j cole but hate wale who is better than j cole in every aspect of makin music?

 

[lbj23navo]

^Just please stop posting in this thread.. You should be the last one to talk on making music

 

[ace rawstein]

lol really wale is better in every aspect of making music?

squeezing all those syllables in is whats hot to you?...Wale get lost in the beat so much it dont make no sense.

If it aint raps about gettin money or smashin broads, its boring?

Why yall want ery rapper to sound the same and rap about all the same things?...what does Drake, Wale, Big Sean, Wiz rap about that separates them from one another? Ill wait...

Sex, Drugs, Money....ppl act like it aint enough of it on wax to feed the needy n have to have Cole fill the "missing void"
if u sumbody like me who been listening to rap since u was 8, I dont see how u aint willing to accept sumtin untypical...unless u still havent experienced any of the things they rap about 

... on on sum living through rappers type steez at 25 years old

 

[CUNNiNGH4M]

lupe dont rap about sex, drugs, and money... i listen to lupe

wale is hands down better than j cole... especially these days...

u guys are idiots... let me know when yall get that j cole album...

 

[|A-Man|]

You said Wale is better than J. Cole in every aspect of making music?

You didn't hear Wale's album. I'm a fan of dude but he has better songs on his mixtapes than some of the whack or straight up boring joints that were on AD.

So does J. Cole.

 

[flatbushfiyah23]

Originally Posted by Ace Rawstein

lol really wale is better in every aspect of making music?

squeezing all those syllables in is whats hot to you?...Wale get lost in the beat so much it dont make no sense.

If it aint raps about gettin money or smashin broads, its boring?

Why yall want ery rapper to sound the same and rap about all the same things?...what does Drake, Wale, Big Sean, Wiz rap about that separates them from one another? Ill wait...

Sex, Drugs, Money....ppl act like it aint enough of it on wax to feed the needy n have to have Cole fill the "missing void"
if u sumbody like me who been listening to rap since u was 8, I dont see how u aint willing to accept sumtin untypical...unless u still havent experienced any of the things they rap about 

... on on sum living through rappers type steez at 25 years old

I think this a huge problem with hip-hop "fans".  The expect the same type of rap sadly and when someone doesn't fit the norm or "dumb it down" for the masses they are deemed boring.


I like Wale and think he is a decent rapper but he does not make better music than J. Cole.  Cole's songs have way more replay value to me than Wale.

 

[cragmatic]

I'll never understand the concept of hating on something so hard. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. Easy enough.

 

[lukethejediknight]

Originally Posted by Ace Rawstein

squeezing all those syllables in is whats hot to you?...Wale get lost in the beat so much it dont make no sense.

The weakness of a pure rhyming rapper - they can rhyme the entire dictionary, but sometimes they just fill their songs with rhymes and ironically end up not saying anything meaningful (see Eminem).

 

[mytmouse76]

when did wale open for J. Cole? i've seen them on the same ticket twice and both times Cole opened for Wale

other times i've seen them listed together it was ALWAYS Cole before Wale

 

[lbj23navo]

Originally Posted by mytmouse76

when did wale open for J. Cole? i've seen them on the same ticket twice and both times Cole opened for Wale

other times i've seen them listed together it was ALWAYS Cole before Wale

I think Wale opened up for J. Cole at the HOB during All Star Weekend... Not 100% sure though

 

[cronicmolemolereturns]

 

[whyhellothere]

^

it's a damn shame. i aint even mad at willow tho

 

[shoeking2101]

Originally Posted by MusicalExcellence

lupe dont rap about sex, drugs, and money... i listen to lupe

wale is hands down better than j cole... especially these days...

u guys are idiots... let me know when yall get that j cole album...

 This is so wrong, on so many levels. I don't even....nevermind...

 

[rafool]

Originally Posted by shoeking2101

Originally Posted by MusicalExcellence

lupe dont rap about sex, drugs, and money... i listen to lupe

wale is hands down better than j cole... especially these days...

u guys are idiots... let me know when yall get that j cole album...

 This is so wrong, on so many levels. I don't even....nevermind...

He has some special dislike for Cole so him saying that doesn't surprise me, it used to make me laugh but now it's become rather sadly annoying..

 

[solematic j21]

lol Wale? aaahhh man i know this dude did not just go there.

 

[h01yshnik3s]

J. cole will eat wale no %+$%, yeah wale ripped a song with waka flocka and roscoe dash on it BRO, coool. but we will see who has the last laugh.
no hate just my opinion. i know wale is on here somewhere.

 

[irie]

still waiting on that cdq track of lamar and cole - temptation, anyone got it?