**LA LAKERS THREAD** Sitting on 17! 2023-2024 offseason begins

Kuz still plays the same positions as Lebron and AD, why do they think he'd still flourish back here over DC?

please just focus on getting a wing/swingman
 
As much as I don't want to... It's time to move on from Russ though.

We'll be better with just Reaves and Schroeder in the backcourt.
 
Scenario: Keep Russ, improve roster

A or B

A
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B.
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You'd want a new SF to be a better shooter than what Kuz is, but literally everything else he brings to the table is what this team sorely lacks and needs.

But I don't see them reuniting.
 
What are the Lakers trying to do?

The Lakers are certainly keeping an eye trained toward the Bulls’ developments. A player like Zach LaVine would satisfy Los Angeles’ dreamiest returns for the two future first-round picks Rob Pelinka’s front office has left in its stable, although the murmured idea of flipping Russell Westbrook for Vucevic and DeRozan would appear a far more realistic outcome if Chicago does ultimately pivot from its postseason aspirations.

Los Angeles’ primary trade efforts at this juncture have centered around a much smaller outgoing package of Patrick Beverley, Kendrick Nunn and a protected future first, sources told Yahoo Sports. The Lakers approached Detroit with that proposal in hopes of prying away Bojan Bogdanovic. The pick in question, however, was heavily protected, sources said, and the Pistons seem keen to hold out for a more tangible draft asset to part with Bogdanovic. Should Beverley ultimately get moved to a rebuilding situation like the Pistons, the grizzled guard has a desire to return to Minnesota, sources said, should he reach free agency via buyout.

Elsewhere in Detroit, multiple rival teams told Yahoo Sports the Pistons’ asking price to part with third-year swingman Saddiq Bey is an unprotected first-round pick. Veteran reserve big man Nerlens Noel is widely expected to be moved ahead of February’s trade deadline, sources said, while Alec Burks, who arrived alongside Noel in a draft-night deal with New York, has drawn interest from inquiring teams as well.

The Knicks are working with Reddish’s representatives to find him a new home, and there have indeed been conversations about rerouting him and Fournier to Los Angeles, sources said.


Does Rob Pelinka know Zach LaVine has sucked this season and has a gimpy knee? Probably not, just that he's made the ASG the previous two seasons.
 
Trading for LaVine would be par for the course of stupidity for this franchise as of late...they better not do this.
 
Fournier’s garbage *** is sitting comfortably on the end of bench outside of the rotation while these Knicks are finally finding a winning one. And 7/10 of those rotation guys average age is 23.

The Lakers are down bad. They really can’t afford to get into with teams, posturing for ultimately useless picks. Lebron is 38. What is it to wait until the very next szn, to the Knicks, to come back to the table when Evan is expiring? What is the wait to LA?

Btw, funny you would agree that sending picks is fair for Evan but what about the Cam throw in? Is Leon supposed to be a dummy all o’ sudden? Also, wouldn’t garbage *** Evan immediately be the Lakers best shooter?

That’s a lot of garbage back and forth in the end so Knicks might as well keep theirs. The expiration date on that team is much closer.
Soooo…
You want the lakers to trade their STARTING SG for a 15th man with long term money??

And you think the lakers would be winning that deal?

darthska darthska a STARTING SG for a 15th out of rotation player?
 
I do wonder if the logic behind this desire to add another star (if the rumor is true) has everything to do with AD’s player option coming up real soon.

Feel like the roster definitely has to be more than year 21-22 Lebron and a bunch of middling role players if he’s going to re-sign.
 
Soooo…
You want the lakers to trade their STARTING SG for a 15th man with long term money??

And you think the lakers would be winning that deal?

darthska darthska a STARTING SG for a 15th out of rotation player?
Don’t be daft man. No difference for the Knicks as the Lakers standards seem to be lower the days. **** outta here after your entire fanbase calls this ninjas worthless on a nightly basis.

Trash *** roster. Your starting SG should be left behind on the next road game. I’ll stick with the incoming value for LA being worth more to them than the other way around, for whomever they’re dealing with.

They’re not exactly operating from a position of power so it will be interesting what shakes up.
 
And another little nugget for y’all’s this morning. Prolly don’t care but this dude is OUR future starting pg should they do the right thing.



Y’all gonna learn him soon enough tho :smile: Unlike yalls starting SG, he ain’t out here tricking folks.
 
Don’t be daft man. No difference for the Knicks as the Lakers standards seem to be lower the days. **** outta here after your entire fanbase calls this ninjas worthless on a nightly basis.

Trash *** roster. Your starting SG should be left behind on the next road game. I’ll stick with the incoming value for LA being worth more to them than the other way around, for whomever they’re dealing with.

They’re not exactly operating from a position of power so it will be interesting what shakes up.
True.


I would do this though:

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Why Lakers likely won’t deal Russell Westbrook; Celtics takeaways; Clippers dreams

After watching the Celtics, Clippers and Lakers play in Los Angeles this week, senior NBA writer Sam Amick shares his takeaways from the L.A. visit.

LOS ANGELES — Long before the missed Anthony Davis free throws that could have capped the Lakers’ incredible comeback against Boston on Tuesday night, or the puzzling overtime period in which he took just one shot while the Celtics somehow survived the final game of their West Coast trip, a crazy thing happened way back in the middle of the third quarter at Crypto.com Arena.

Russell Westbrook, who took so much blame for the Lakers’ early struggles this season that the name on his jersey should have read “Fall Guy,” provided much of the spark for the Lakers’ surge from 20 points down. And when he swatted a Jaylen Brown attempt at the rim after tracking him for the entire length of the floor — en route to finishing with 20 points, 14 rebounds, five assists, four blocks, two turnovers and a minus-1 rating — a nearby fan could be heard shouting the kind of encouragement that was nowhere to be found not too long ago: “Good job, Russ!”

My, oh my, how things have changed. And the fans, it seems, aren’t the only ones whose view of the Westbrook experience in Laker Land has evolved.

According to a source with knowledge of the Lakers’ plans, Westbrook’s play this past month has made it increasingly unlikely that he will be traded before the league’s Feb. 9 deadline. Since becoming a sixth man on Oct. 28, the 34-year-old, who is in the final year of his (massive) contract, has averaged 15.2 points, 7.9 assists, 5.8 rebounds, 3.8 turnovers and 28.2 minutes. For the sake of perspective, only six players (Luka Dončić, Nikola Jokić, Ja Morant, Pascal Siakam, Jrue Holiday and James Harden) have met those 15-7–and-5 marks so far this season. The Lakers have gone 11-12 in that span.

Production aside, Westbrook’s imperfect fit with these Lakers clearly remains an issue. Consider this: Even with those gaudy numbers that he has produced as a sixth man since Oct. 28, the Lakers’ net rating has been eight points better when he’s off the floor (plus-4.6) than when he’s on (minus-3.4; the worst mark among the team’s top seven rotational players in that span).

Still, the days of Westbrook being widely seen as the primary reason these Lakers have underperformed appear to be over. And that welcome development, it appears, has shifted the Lakers’ focus during this trade season that is just getting started.

As our Lakers beat writer, Jovan Buha, detailed on Dec. 1, the Lakers have been taking a three-pronged approach while the self-evaluation process continued. A quick review of that reporting…

Path 1 is to trade Westbrook, plus a pick or two, for a star or multiplayer haul.
Path 2 is to trade some combination of Patrick Beverley, Kendrick Nunn and picks (one first-round and/or multiple second-round picks) for role players who better address needs and upgrade the rotation.
Path 3 would be two separate deals: one with Westbrook plus one first-round pick, another using a Beverley-Nunn-pick package.
There’s always a never-say-never qualifier to trade stories this time of year, but the other element in play here is that the Lakers’ dream scenario — a star player becoming available in these early months — is still nothing more than a fantasy. Whether it’s DeMar DeRozan or Zach Lavine in Chicago, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander in Oklahoma City, Bradley Beal in Washington or other players of that ilk, there is no Anthony Davis-esque scenario emerging like the one Lakers benefited from when he asked out of New Orleans in the summer of 2019.

As our Shams Charania reported on Monday, the Lakers have shown interest in Detroit’s Bojan Bogdanović and New York’s Cam Reddish and Evan Fournier. The pressure remains to make a move (or two) of significance, especially with the Lakers having lost four of their last five games and LeBron James making it clear in so many ways recently that his patience is waning.

But in terms of the Westbrook calculus, and the general question of whether he can help them recover from the 2-10 start to becoming a potent playoff team, there’s also a strong sense that the Lakers believe Westbrook’s contributions will only improve from here. First-year coach Darvin Ham deserves all sorts of credit here, as he managed to navigate Westbrook’s initial frustration with the decision to bring him off the bench.

Westbrook may not be thrilled with the role, but his improved play and intensity speak volumes about his willingness to accept the reality that it’s the right move for this team. This is why Lakers owner Jeanie Buss was known to be reluctant to give up on Westbrook in those days leading into training camp, when they came so close to doing the well-chronicled deal with Indiana that would have sent Westbrook to the Pacers in exchange for big man Myles Turner and sharpshooter Buddy Hield.

In the wake of the Lakers’ decision to fire former coach Frank Vogel, Ham had made it clear in the interview process that he would be willing to have these kinds of hard conversations with any individual for the sake of the collective. And while these Lakers (11-16; 12th in the West) are still a long way from salvaging this season, the notion of Westbrook being the root of all their problems is no more.
 
And you guys wanna live and die emotionally with this team lol.
 
Russ has been fine but the last 5 minutes of the game is still a rollercoaster with him.

We already know they won’t guard him & they’ll dare him to shoot in the 4th quarter in the playoffs. Can we win like that? I don’t think so.

I would like to move him but I don’t think that deal exists. And I don’t trust the lakers FO to make a good trade.
 
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