[:: LAKERS 2014 THREAD | POLL: Who Should Coach Next Year? ::]

WHO SHOULD COACH THE LAKERS NEXT SEASON?

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  • George Karl

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  • Jerry Sloan

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  • Kurt Rambis

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  • Nate McMillan

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  • Doug Collins

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I'm exhausted ska :lol

@sea manup, we agree that we probably won't get a top 3 pick. I'll let you enjoy the losses if you let me enjoy the wins
 
No it's not. 
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Clearly you don't understand the meaning of 'black and white', 'all or nothing', 'this or that' thinking... but you get an B+ for effort, knowing how to quote and all. 
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I'm exhausted ska
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@sea manup, we agree that we probably won't get a top 3 pick. I'll let you enjoy the losses if you let me enjoy the wins
NO! im going to get meth to show me your IP address, track down where you live, hide outside and peek at you through the window.

if you even so much as smile after a lakers player makes a positive play i will break through the window and slap you
 
 
No it's not. 
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Clearly you don't understand the meaning of 'black and white', 'all or nothing', 'this or that' thinking... but you get an B+ for effort, knowing how to quote and all. 
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please break it down for me

"if you cant see how drafting top 3 in this years draft will help our team then you're an idiot"

is less black and white than

"unless there is a 100% chance that the player we pick will be better than every other player in the draft there is no point in getting a top 3 pick"

to me at least, the first one is trusting your own opinion to the point where you think others are dumb for not thinking the same way given the same information

the other is dealing in absolutes which is the definition of black and white thinking
 
manup, 'this or that' thinking asserts that there are only two options: this... or that.

If I say "We don't know how they'll pan out", you understand that as "Oh, so every prospect is categorized into the 'Unkonwn' category'. Got it."

Obviously that's not true, but I'm not going to explain an understanding of unquantifiable variables and uncertain odds to you.

If someone were to look at Lebron and Eddie Vedder and say "So they're both just as uncertain in the NBA as each other, right?", I would know just from that question there's no point in discussing further  what 'Uncertainty amongst every non-NBA player' means, because obviously, they're interpreting that line of thinking... one way (this), and separating it as a single value from their line of thinking (that).

This... or that.
 
 
No it's not. 
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Clearly you don't understand the meaning of 'black and white', 'all or nothing', 'this or that' thinking... but you get an B+ for effort, knowing how to quote and all. 
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please break it down for me

"if you cant see how drafting top 3 in this years draft will help our team then you're an idiot"

is less black and white than

"unless there is a 100% chance that the player we pick will be better than every other player in the draft there is no point in getting a top 3 pick"

to me at least, the first one is trusting your own opinion to the point where you think others are dumb for not thinking the same way given the same information

the other is dealing in absolutes which is the definition of black and white thinking
I mentioned 2 issues I have: the mockery, and 'absolute' thinking.

"if you cant see how drafting top 3 in this years draft will help our team then you're an idiot"

= both

The mockery is obvious. The absolute is in the apparent belief that drafting a top 3 is... it. The end. Drafting a top 3 will help our team, and in order to help our team, we need a top 3.

"unless there is a 100% chance that the player we pick will be better than every other player in the draft there is no point in getting a top 3 pick"

= mockery free

Absolute? Nothing about the statement says "This is the only way." Heck, the tail end of that statement shows that the person is thinking of other options. Top 10 pick? Free agency? Trade? Do nothing? Wait on it for now, revisit during the season?

'other options' =/= absolute

Next.
 
Ska, I'm not even worried on black and white or any of that at this point.

My frustration is with people who have literally, no clue what they are talking about, but keep rattling off thoughts, theories, ideas like they are in the right time zone.

Like, well, Houston did something, so, why can't we?????????

Um, cuz Houston had more than one asset.

Well, Boston didn't tank in 08, look how great that played out for them.

Yes, Boston absolutely tried to land Durant or Oden, but failed. Luckily, Ainge was able to buy a vet in Allen, and a vet in Garnett. They played, what, 5 years in Boston? As opposed to Durant who could be in OKC for over a dozen with any injury luck.

Well, Boston now doesn't have any desirable assets, just a bunch of first rounders, and second rounders, big deal.

They have MORE than what the Rockets had when they got Harden, which led to them landing Dwight.

Well, then we should just not get a top draft pick, and trade ours with Hill, for a good player.

Yes, because one pick is enough to make that deal, or not. And have we, or have we not explained enough that a top pick costs a mere 30 mil (or less) for 5 years, but trading for Harden costs 120+ million. Was that not explained? Is more detail needed?

But we already have Kobe, so just need one more piece.


:|


You getting my stance here man? The ones that don't understand, that don't follow the whole league, that somehow can't remember how the Celtics were build a whopping 6 years ago, seem to think that the Lakers can just magic wand the same results, with less assets, less cap space, and with a completely different CBA????????


Yeah, that frustrates the **** out of me.

I thought I was talking to a fanbase that understands things.


All that garbage that has been spewed is the EXACT equivalent of me saying

"Come on guys, we have to get the #1 pick, look how well it turned out for the 1958 Lakers when they landed Elgin Baylor. Oh, and then in 1960 when they got the #2 pick and got Jerry West to go with Baylor. We can do that AGAIN!!!!!!"


Yeah, because this would be relevant to that 54 year old happening.


The Rockets traded assets for James Harden, we can do that too!!!!!
We traded crap for Pau Gasol, we can do it again!!!!!!!! (Crap being multiple first round draft picks, + cap space + Marc Gasol) but hey.


Oh, but CP can't absolutely GUARANTEE who will be there at the 4th pick, so therefore, we're best off playing to win, getting the 11th pick, trading that pick, for 1 FA that we can sign for 100 million dollars, who will then be alone in 2 years when Kobe retires, and we STILL, won't have any draft picks yet to play with.


Forgive me please, for not reading thru all that trash without my black and white, "I wish I was dead right now" glasses.


I actually expect more out of a collection of Laker fans. The 8-9 of them were sounding like Doo, and as you know, that is not a good thing. Not the trolling part, the lack of NBA understanding part. The clueless, I'll just say whatever and it'll float part.

I guess that's my bad. But you told me to embrace my inner jerk, so I am doing just that.

And if Manup would be so kind as to stop freaking quoting these guys, I wouldn't see their drivel. :{

Later, I'll start to actually give my rant.

Just kidding, that was it. :lol

For now

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All the discussion ends and the mockery can continue when any of you can guarantee me...

... where we will end up in the draft

... who will be available at that position

... who the busts and studs will be

Why all this discussion? Just answer those 3 things and you can make fun of people all you want. 
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(is the point getting across yet that y'all can't guarantee a damn thing, you have no control over anything Lakers related, and mocking people for not buying into a certainty you're not even certain about is flawed?)
 
I'm not knocking anybody for not buying into my ideas. I'm an idiot, they have every right to ignore me.

I'm knocking people for having no clue what they are talking about.

Like 1 single pick somehow = a collection of picks that other teams have acquired.

Or why can't we do like Boston did in 08? When they had a couple of young pieces to deal, plus a top 5 pick. And were building around a star still in his absolute prime. (which we do not have, at all, anywhere close to that set up)


That, is the knock.

Not the idea ignoring part.
 
The ones that don't understand, that don't follow the whole league...
... have as much control over things as you. 
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I thought I was talking to a fanbase that understands things.
Essential, manup, gtb... they don't understand things?

You are talking to a fanbase that understands things... and a fanbase that doesn't.

See aaaaaallllll that middle ground in between those 2 types of people? We call that 'gray area'.

'Gray area' is the OPPOSITE of 'black and white' thinking. Y'all are taking offense to this 'black and white thinking' concept... without actually understanding what it is and realizing you're deep in it.

Middle ground.

Lots of options.

Tons of uncertainties with EVERY potential avenue.

Gray area.

An understanding of zero control over the actual goings on.

ALL of that (and more) goes into having a complete understanding; not understanding those things at all... would be 'black and white', absolute thinking.

This ain't just my opinion, gentlemen. This ain't The Gospel According To Ska'. 
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Essential, manup, gtb... they don't understand things?

They absolutely do. As well as P and Senator, and I applaud them at every turn. (Tupac, French, probably others I am forgetting)

If not for them, and you, I'd already be long banned. :lol


I should reword then, the ENTIRE fanbase. I thought ALL Laker fans were wise with all things NBA. I've spoken on their behalf many times to other fanbases.

I shall not continue to do so.
 
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Not really sure Lakers were stupid for trading their picks.

They had a plan, an end goal in mind, and executed it. Then it fell apart. Had sed plan not fallen apart, we are not sitting here talking about picks.

We didn't just trade every pick we've ever had for nothing, we didn't trade every single piece we had for a guy we could get 4 months later. We shot for the stars, made our ascent, and then the engine died.


We got unlucky. We got screwed by the league, and that's why we are sitting where we are.


If any consolation Jalen Rose thinks we are going to reunite UCLA with Russy & Love soon.



The CP3 veto was every thing to put this franchise where it is. Remember we didn't trade a single pick for CP3.

So we'd have CP3 & Kobe.. Would have still 6 picks (minus the pick we got for Odom) thats we traded for Sessions, Nash, Hill, Dwight.

Probably trade 3 picks (2 1st & 2nd) for Dwight.

Dwight stays.

We likely still trade our picks to fill out the roster to get a solid 3 or 4, a 6th man, and a couple more bench pieces.


On the opposite end, I wouldn't classify the Celtics being smart or having this plan, they *** backwards themselves into a great situation, and even then may lose their franchise guy regardless in 18 months.
 
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even then may lose their franchise guy regardless in 18 months.

Or they can be proactive and flip him for even more assets right now, coming off his first surgery, as he prepares to enter into his 30's.

They have more picks than Houston did when Houston landed Harden.

And the Nets in 2017-2018 could be truly dreadful teams, making those picks nice and juicy to dangle for talent they want.


They may not have "planned" for it, but they damn sure got it now. They flipped two 35+ year olds for multiple picks down the road, when those 35 year olds will be long gone. Even Joe and Deron may be gone by then.
 
So the general consensus on Melo is hell no, correct?

I'm sort of intrigued.  Kobe was always saying he wanted to teach Dwight how to win, I think that could actually work with Melo.
 
Correct, pass on Melo.


Anthony Davis tonight. 27 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 steals, 4 blocks.


Nobody knew if he would be good coming out of college, so no need to tank for him.

Makes 5.3 million this year.


"We can always get him when he's 29 and costs 130 million and has had a surgery or two under his belt."
 
[quote name="CP"]Anthony Davis tonight. 27 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 steals, 4 blocks.


Nobody knew if he would be good coming out of college, so no need to tank for him.[/quote]This... or that.

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So the general consensus on Melo is hell no, correct?

I'm sort of intrigued.  Kobe was always saying he wanted to teach Dwight how to win, I think that could actually work with Melo.

I really wouldn't be upset at all.

Have to see what we have in line before then.
 
its not that building through the draft is the ONLY way to build a championship team, and that if we dont to that there is no other way (the "this or that" you were talking about). its that drafting a franchise player and building a team around that franchise player is proven to be the best way to build a championship team

is there a 100% chance that we will get a decent draft pick? no

is there a 100% chance that if we do get a decent draft pick he will end up being a great player? no

is there a 100% chance that if we do get a great player we will be able to build a championship team around him? no

no one can predict the future, what we can do is look at the past and see how things have worked before and make an educated guess/choice based on the knowledge that we have gained from the past.

someone can say "it is possible to win a championship without an allstar draft pick, look at the 04 pistons!" (unrelated but its super ironic that the only team that has won without an allstar draft pick picked darko in one of the best drafts ever the same year they won)

to that i would say "wouldnt it be smarter to take in the previously stated information and come to the conclusion that it is very very hard to build a championship team without a good draft pick, in fact since it has happened only once ever one could say that its near impossible to pull it off"

of course that doesnt mean that we CANT win a championship if we dont get good player out of the draft, but history says that it will be highly unlikely that we will.

when talking about draft picks:

can anyone be 100% sure wiggins will be better than the guy picked 10th? no

can anyone be 100% sure embiid will be better than the guy picked 10th? no

can anyone be 100% sure parker will be better than the guy picked 10th? no

but that doesnt mean its a shot in the dark, we have access to more information about each of these draft prospects than ever before and nba teams have everything we have plus even more information and the ability to invite each prospect over for interviews/physical testing. using this information we can take an educated guess about which guy is going to be great and more times than not the first pick of the nba draft is a very good player. again this doesnt mean this years first pick will be great but looking at the past (all we can do at the moment) its more likely than not for this years top draft pick to be great.

hope thats not too black and white
 
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