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did you just ruin your own argument ?
you do realize one individual not being able to dominate the whole league would be evidence towards talent being better now?
Exactly
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did you just ruin your own argument ?
you do realize one individual not being able to dominate the whole league would be evidence towards talent being better now?
Woops in my last post I meant to say most people usually conclude 90s superstars > anyone after the 90s > anyone before the 90s.
my whole thing is you want to say today's ball is better, fine.
show who today is dominating the league like dominated in the 90s.
we know there are a grip of hof'ers from back then, so who today is dominating our superstars today like how mike did to his comp?
I see what you're trying to say but Durant isn't good because of the shoes he wears. He is arguably the most advanced basketball player we've ever seen and that has nothing to do with Powerade, Nike Zoom, etc. Just my opinion.
What if someone who destroyed the 50s was placed into today's times, benefiting from today's technologies, today's dietary knowledge, today's trainers, workout regimens, etc... and Durant was placed in the 50s, w/ some ol' Chuck Taylors and a bottle of water? Methinks 'guy who dominated in the 50s' might come out on top.
People want to laugh at guys from previous decades as if everything is the same, straight across the board, as if the technological advancements and advancements in knowledge have NOTHING to do w/ today's athletes.
yea so as talent rises wouldnt there be someone al mike to dominate?
wilt did it? mike? whos dominant today?
Sure but did athletes in the 50s or 60s benefit from not having to deal with media / social media like they do today? Did they benefit from the sheer lack of video / analytics that allowed players to gameplan for players? It's a futile attempt at discrediting the current era.
If you don't think that Johnny Athlete is benefiting from what we know today regarding targeted workouts, nutritional balance, performance enhancing equipment, etc... I mean... *shrugs*
lol. let the dude breathe.you're killing yourself fam
talent has risen across the board
that would make it harder for one guy to standout and dominate
which brings me to another question what are we calling dominant? Wilt wasn't exactly running away with chips and Jordan didn't win **** before pippen hit his prime and he got the best coach EVER.
I take it you just mean scoring a whole bunch of points?
Sure but did athletes in the 50s or 60s benefit from not having to deal with media / social media like they do today? Did they benefit from the sheer lack of video / analytics that allowed players to gameplan for players? It's a futile attempt at discrediting the current era.
Keep going though, popcorn is ready.
you dominate your competition, no matter how good your comp is you are head and shoulders betteryou're killing yourself famyea so as talent rises wouldnt there be someone al mike to dominate?
wilt did it? mike? whos dominant today?
talent has risen across the board
that would make it harder for one guy to standout and dominate
which brings me to another question what are we calling dominant? Wilt wasn't exactly running away with chips and Jordan didn't win **** before pippen hit his prime and he got the best coach EVER.
I take it you just mean scoring a whole bunch of points?
C'mon, man.Sure but did athletes in the 50s or 60s benefit from not having to deal with media / social media like they do today? Did they benefit from the sheer lack of video / analytics that allowed players to gameplan for players? It's a futile attempt at discrediting the current era.
If you don't think that Johnny Athlete is benefiting from what we know today regarding targeted workouts, nutritional balance, performance enhancing equipment, etc... I mean... *shrugs*
Keep going though, popcorn is ready.
But the very point your making is at the core of what the non-nostalgic folks have been saying: athletes today are better due to training, nutrition, analytics, etc.
C'mon, man.
Which do you think is going to hold you back more, athletically? Having a dozen reporters in your face AFTER you and I play 1-on-1, or playing w/ some warm water in a bottle and a pair of ol' Chucks, while I'm playing in premium gear and had a focused workout this morning w/ an elite trainer?
And I'm not suggesting at all that Durant is Durant because he eats green beans and has an elite trainer, but I'm absolutely suggesting that what we know about working out and dieting and zoom air/FeetYouWear/etc is HELPING every athlete, the world over.
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I'm agreeing with you, but to say that a player like Durant would start playing like a drunk Pete Maravich...naw, I'm not buying that.
LOL.
Bron gotta go back to Cleveland. Highly doubt he would win another title staying with the Heat. Wade's getting old, Bosh is pretty good offensively but a defensive liabilty.
The rest of the team just isn't that great at all. Kyrie > Wade. And they have the 1st overall pick. RESURRECT CLEVELAND WITH JOHNNY MANZIEL BRON!
agreed.x2
I'm agreeing with you, but to say that a player like Durant would start playing like a drunk Pete Maravich...naw, I'm not buying that.
It would be incredibly naive to suggest that Lebron would be a stumbling idiot 40 years ago because he's not wearing Nikes and drinking Powerade.
Magic was a generational passing talent but so was John Stockton
I'm not totally sold that Russell was the greatest defensive player of all time, I think he was the centerpiece of an all time great statistical defense. Have you seen how whole 1960's Celtic lead the 1960's defensive win share list?
Theres a big difference in stats and wins between Jordan and Lebron
If you put those 7 players on a team with a league average NBA rotation players, the favorited team by far would be the team with Wilt or Kareem
1. they Russel Celtics were number 1 in defense ever single year of his career, thery slipped to 2nd in his last year, they dropped down to 8th after he retired. He played the most important position on the most consistently dominant defense in league history, always dominated regardless of his teammates.
win shares for defense isn't useful, and is even less useful without blocks and steals, all it has is rebounding mintues and team wins to go off of, its basically a blind guess.
those Boston teams boasted the #3, #5, #6, #13, #22, and #23 ranked defenses in NBA history, and won 11 of 13 tittles with a pretty average to below average offense.
Bill Russel is the greatest defensive player in the history of the NBA, period. It's pretty impossible to argue otherwise, he played the most important defensive position on the most important and effective defense in league history, If you read anything about the 50's celtics Russel ran the d, Cousy/Bobby Jones/John Havelchek ran the o.
2. the other stuff im not going to bother with, I told I don't agree, there isn't a big difference to me between lebron and jordan, thats the way I feel about it and like I said this isn't something I've have casually thought about so nothing said is new to me so my opinion is pretty much set in stone on this issue.
LeBron is the easiest target in sports. 2 championships out of four straight finals is a great accomplishment. Let's stop the nonsense people.
Both statements can be true in parallel, not sure how they conflict.It's just basketball. He's happy. Frankly you care more than he does.